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    Trade kickers are a salary mechanism that increase a player's salary when they are traded. They are both important and difficult to accommodate when formulating trade scenarios, and thus it's useful for them to be known. Kickers - technically known as trade bonuses, but colloquially as kickers, which we'll stick with here - can only be bothersome to teams and emphatically benefit a player. As such, they're far from commonplace. But there's enough of them out there, and it helps to know about them.

    Contrary to some belief, trade kickers can not be waived. Not recreationally, at least. A player cannot waive a trade kicker just to make their crappy contract look more desirable. Only in one specific circumstance can a trade kicker (or part of one) be waived; when a player has to waive some money to make a particular trade connotation meet the rules of trade finances. This very very rarely happens, partly because it obviously requires the player's permission, although it did happen just this year after Devin Brown vetoed a trade to Minnesota when he refused to waive his. Doesn't happen much, though.

    There follows a list of all current NBA contracts that feature trade kickers, along with the value of them. Note that trade kickers have no expiry date other than the expiration of the contract itself, and that having a percentage listed means that's the percentage of their remaining salary that they will additionally get with the bonus.

    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 5% or $1 million)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (5%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (greater of 15% or $5 million)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 15% or $1 million)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (5%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 15% or $4 million)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 15% or $375,000, but is expiring anyway)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 15% or $4 million)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
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    You only get one trade kicker per contract; that is to say, if you sign a contract with a trade kicker in it, the trade kicker is only applied to the first trade that contract is in and not to any subsequent contracts. (The exception is with sign and trades, where the first trade - the sign and trade - is ignored, and the trade kicker is applied to the next subsequent trade. This is why Peja is listed above.)

    Because of that, there are a good many players whose current contracts featured trade kickers that have already been invoked. Here they are now, along with the value of their kicker. Note: only currently-being-paid contracts are listed, and the player doesn't necessarily have to be on an NBA roster any more.

    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (lesser of 15% or $300,000)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (5%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (5%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (7.5%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (5%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (7.5%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (15%)
    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%)
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    - [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (10%, only up to $1.2 mil)

    All but three of the players in that second list are either out of the league, or expiring this summer. Of the three, Salmons and Jeffries both have ETO's, and Garnett is the rare example of the traded star. A common theme amongst players with trade kickers is that they're either very good players, or very badly paid. And the trade kicker is often part of the reason why they are so badly paid.

    I wrote an example of how trade kicker's were calculated in [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. For fun, though, here's a second example.

    Not contented with how bad Hedo Turkoglu's contract already was, Raptors GM Bryan Clungelo decided to make it worse by adding a 15% trade kicker. Turk was already being overpaid for a man on the wrong side of 30 with rather average talent; however, after getting his $52.8 million contract, Hedo then put up a shocking first season with the Raptors and made it even worse. To compound the fail, he and the team have fallen out over Hedo's (allegedly) overactive night life - things are so divisive at the moment that Turkoglu went home to Turkey in a sulk and stated that he wasn't going to return to the team. The pair now have a choice; either

    a) hugging the thing out, or
    b) accommodating Hedo's trade request.

    (b) is going to be damn near impossible, though, and the trade kicker is partly why. Without the trade kicker, Turkoglu has 4 years and $43.8 million remaining on his contract, but with it that amount rises to $50,370,000, an average of over $12.5 million a season. This for a man with a below-average PER, only one and a bit good seasons in his career, and a 32nd birthday card already in the post.

    Hedo's remaining contract currently looks like this:

    2010/11: $9,800,000
    2011/12: $10,600,000
    2012/13: $11,400,000
    2013/14: $12,000,000 (Early Termination Option year)

    Normally, salary owed to players in option years is not included in the definition of "remaining salary." This means that the percentage of remaining salary (which is what a trade kicker is normally dependent upon, as seen above) normally does not include the salary found in option years. However, ETO years are counted, and therefore all of the $43.8 million left on Turkoglu's contract is classified as "remaining." 15% of $43.8 million is $6.57 million, and so that is the size of Hedo's trade kicker.

    The cap hit of the trade kicker is divided equally between non-option years of the contract. There are three such years in Hedo's contract, so each year gets $2.19 million added to it. If traded, therefore, Hedo's contract will look like this:

    2010/11: $11,990,000
    2011/12: $12,790,000
    2012/13: $13,590,000
    2013/14: $12,000,000 (ETO)

    The trade kicker would thus turn Turkoglu's contract from being one of the worst in the league, to almost certainly the worst. ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is a year shorter, which is not insignificant.) It's going to be hard enough to find a taker Hedo, with his advancing age, increasing salary and decreasing play. The trade kicker only makes things worse.

    So maybe they should just hug it out.
    So if Eddy has a kicker of 5 million, does this mean his contract is equal to 16 million rather than 10? Does this kick in when the trade is made or after it is completed and said player is on the other roster?

    LJ4ptplay and Oldtimer, I know you guys know alot about this. Is this correct?

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    Originally Posted by StreetDreams21
    So if Eddy has a kicker of 5 million, does this mean his contract is equal to 16 million rather than 10? Does this kick in when the trade is made or after it is completed and said player is on the other roster?

    LJ4ptplay and Oldtimer, I know you guys know alot about this. Is this correct?
    so Curry is impossible to trade now...awesome

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    Why trade Curry? I think it's in our best interest to "bite the bullet"

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    Why trade Curry? I think it's in our best interest to "bite the bullet"
    to get Melo we HAVE to trade Curry so the salaries match and dont you want to get rid of this waste of talent once and for all?

    He is the last piece of the Isiah era.

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    I'm surprised this hasn't come out before. And I'm surprised that Curry hasn't tried to force himself out of NY more actively. He needs that extra $5M.

    I think Curry can waive X amount of his contract and a trade can be made within the bounds of NBA legality im a trade scenario, but that'd depend on a team we're trying to trade with.

    I remember that Kevin Garnett's trade to Boston had a $6-7M trade kicker involved and that if he was traded before July 1st that year the kicker was almost halved.

    Regardless, the combo of Eddy Curry and his contract have been one of the worst in not just the Knick's, but NBA history.

    It takes some serious idiots to **** up a team with that sort of blatant idiocy.

    Dolan and Thomas: Should we just give up?

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    Don't you guys love how we gave up what ended up becoming a lottery pick for this piece of ****?

    I mean for ****'s sake we could've drafted Brandon Roy or LaMarcus Aldridge, but we're stuck with...Eddy Curry. Yeah. Totally.

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    I think we would also have had Jockim Noah as well.



    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Don't you guys love how we gave up what ended up becoming a lottery pick for this piece of ****?

    I mean for ****'s sake we could've drafted Brandon Roy or LaMarcus Aldridge, but we're stuck with...Eddy Curry. Yeah. Totally.

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