I hope Melo says "**** what you guys want, lets talk about what I want." Why give into their demands when they're the ones who gave him the "player option" clause?
Come on now.
Nets: Would likely have to give up Lopez and Favors, thus no chance at winning with just Carmelo.
Kings: Would likely have to give up Casspi and Evans, thus no chance at winning with just Carmelo.
That is all.
No team is going to trade for Melo unless Melo agrees to the extension. Period. In essence, Melo can go to whatever team he wants.
this will probably go down as a multitteam trade, with The Knicks getting Melo, unless the Rockets go for Favors and a ton of draft picks from Jersey with no Lopez or Harris going back. I think Melo would sign with Jersey if Brook is not involved in the deal.
i understand the Nets they have a lot of young pieces and a ****load of first round draft picks. so they dont necessarily have to give up Lopez to make the deal work. but as far as the Wolves and kings go i seriously lol'ed. i think in the end melo will either end up with the nets or with us. if its with us excellent and if its with the Nets great, cause i think Gallo will become an all-star and Randolph will be an allstar as well we just gotta give them time to develop. but for the record i want Melo on our team
I never said he had a NTC, I said the Nuggets are the ones who gave him the clause where he can walk as a FA next year, which is really the cause of the whole situation. They know Melo is going to opt out, they offered the extension anyway, and now he's hanging them with the extension and probably going to force them into a trade that they're not sold on.
If first round picks mean everything to teams like the Nuggets, why can't the Knicks just trade Gallo and Randolph for two first rounders and then trade the picks to Denver for Anthony?
Why are we going nuts over Melo? Gallo + Randolph > Melo.
Melo is a great scorer. But Gallo is a better defender. Randolph has the potential to be one of the best big men in the league. Melo, for the most part, has choked in the playoffs, except for that one year where they made it to the conference finals, but I would attribute that more to Billups than Melo.
Adding Melo to this roster would be great but giving up Gallo + Randolph + multiple picks + ??? is too much.
Lets move on. The best thing is to wait. If he goes to NJ, then so be it. I would much rather keep our young pieces, draft picks and cap flexibility. Adding a very good SG would make this team better than gutting the team for Melo.
And another thing. Denver doesn't have to do anything. If Melo is really stressed out about the new CBA and wants his money, then Denver has the upper hand.
Denver has much more power in this than all of you seem to think. Melo can't just demand where he wants to go. If he does, Denver can refuse. If Melo refuses a trade offer then Denver can threaten to not trade him and Melo stands to lose a lot of money. There is no way he gets $65 mil next year with the new CBA.
Except, once again, if Melo wants to come here (not saying he absolutely does, but IF he does) then he refuses to sign the extension for any other team except us, and then Denver has to either take what we give them or lose him as a FA next summer. It is literally that simple.
If we get Melo at all it will be because he's forcing the trade here. At which point the ball is in our court and Denver has ZERO leverage. It's not a situation where they can negotiate anything if Melo is saying "trade me to the Knicks or watch me walk, your choice." Why in the world would Donnie Walsh say "alright guys....we all know you have no say in where Melo goes and he's forcing your hand to trade him here...we also know you're desperate to receive some sort of compensation for the best player on your team and you don't want to watch him walk and receive nothing next summer....let's negotiate?"
I think a bunch of people on the internet are trying to piece together a trade of equal value for Melo, which won't be the case if he's traded here. A trade to the Knicks would be 100% Carmelo's doing and him strong arming Denver into making the move, otherwise he's leaving for nothing.
We can't compete with the pieces on the Nets, Kings, or Clippers, and still put a good team on the court this year, nor should we try to compete with them. If they decimate their team for one guy, fine. But if Melo forces his way to the Knicks, take advantage of the situation and don't be the dummy that pays full price for an item that's discounted. Once again, if Melo says "Knicks or I walk next year" and we say "Curry, Chandler, 2014 pick, plus whoever not named Amar'e, Felton, Gallo, Randolph, or Turiaf" and Denver turns it down....well they'll watch Melo walk. If they don't want to watch him walk, the deal goes through.
That's the only way we're getting him. Donnie's not going to blow the team up for one guy.
Plus there's also a misconception that the overall amount of money on contracts is coming down in the new CBA. That's probably not true, there's no way the NBAPA is going to sit back and watch the owners start paying players for pennies on the dollar in comparison to what they make now. It's probably going to be the length of the contracts that's hit the hardest. Money might come down a little but not to the extent people seem to think.
And Denver's owner coming out and saying that they don't want to get burned like the Cavs did with LBJ tells you exactly who the power players are. They're not going to hold onto Melo and watch him walk and sign a fresh contract with someone else. And if they try to move him but his new suitor wants to know that they're not renting him...they need him so sign the extension for the trade to go through...if Melo refuses, no trade. The majority of the power is in his possession. Unless someone decides to make the trade and try to convince him on an extension afterwards.
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So there will likely have to be a compromise. Unless Melo is not worried at all about losing $65 mil. And it seems like he is, or else he wouldn't be demanding a trade now so he can sign an extension. By leaking that, he has lost a lot of leverage in negotiating his choice of where to go.
Like I said, Denver has much more power in this scenario than you all think. It's a two-way street. Denver is not just going to bend over backwards to give Melo what he wants. I'm sure management is extremely pissed at Melo right now. They can play hard ball too. Denver knows they're losing Melo. But they can also make Melo look like the bad guy and not lose credibility with their fan base.
Sorry to be a downer but there is no way Denver accepts Curry, Chandler + 2014 pick. Although it may be better than nothing, it's not much better than nothing, and in the process Denver loses a lot of credibility by aquiessing to the demands of Melo. They would rather let Melo walk and make him look like the villian.
We need to stop looking at this through the eyes of a Knick fan and look at this logically. It will cost us a lot to get Melo no matter how much he demands where he wants to go. And it's not worth it.
If Melo forces his way to the Knicks then he'll be here. Whether you agree with it or not, Denver is not going to let that man play in front of those fans at the Pepsi Center and then walk away next summer. They almost have to move him, and if his name, date, and initials on an extension are the deciding factor, he has most of the power.While deciding where he wants to spend the rest of his basketball life, Carmelo Anthony will do what's right by his family.
But believe this: Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke will do what is best for his hefty investment in an NBA franchise, even if that means trading Melo.
There is no way Denver can afford to lose the face of its franchise for nothing as a free agent.
The Nuggets are now considering a strategy to part ways with their 26-year-old star forward, according to a league source.
After quietly gauging trade interest in Anthony for weeks, the team's consternation has only risen as he has made no move to accept a $65 million offer for a three-year contract extension that was formally presented more than a month ago.
The Nuggets don't want to get LeBron'd.
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It's almost like saying that a player with a NTC doesn't have any power when it comes to where he plays next. Yea the team can negotiate trades, but whoever has the power to single handedly veto a trade is sitting on most of the power. Melo can veto any trade by not signing the extension, UNLESS someone is bold enough to trade for him without that extension. Simple.
Melo is probably already a bad guy in Denver right now because of this whole mess. If all of this is truly driven by family (and while it might not be the main factor, I think it is a major player) and he's using the recent LBJ bomb that dropped on Cleveland to finagle his way out of Denver...he's not exactly gonna be unanimously cheered there even if he remains a Nugget for one more season.
The longer this drags on, the more willing Melo will be to accept a team like the Nets, who can offer a lot more than the Knicks.
Denver has a lot of power and I could care less whether you want to admit it or not. Keep living in the fantasy world that Curry, Chandler and a 2014 pick will get us Melo, if you want. I know, and everybody living in the world outside of Knick fans knows it will take us at least Gallo + Randolph + 2014 pick. Which to me, is not worth it.