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    Default Other than Amare, Randolph, Gallo, Felton: Who is the most important knick.

    So far basing this thread on the threads revolving around Felton, Gallo, Randolph, and Amare. All with whom we have deemed as being the best and most critical components to this new knicks regime.

    I ask you


    Who else is the X factor, because you dont win big if you dont have 8-10 guys on the same page

    the Lakers have their odom off the bench or robbery horry to spread the floor
    The spurs always had their matt bonners to spread the floor.
    The celtics have or had their Kendrick PErkins and Tony Allens
    The Magic have their JJ reddicks or Marcin GOrtats to go hard every night with consistent bench numbers


    Who are the knicks X factors or X factor

    Douglas ?

    TUriaf ?

    Roger Mason ?


    I want to hear some logical opinions, I feel this can be a good thread.

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    It has to be Mozgov. If he can overachieve or contribute meaningful minutes that is huge for us. A 7'1" athletic center who is in his early 20's is a rare breed and can take the Knicks from an 8th to a 4th seed and contender if he can be a solid player at 5. Plus that would allow Amare to go to the 4 which is another huge thing.

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    Gotta give it to Tony. The system needs to continue without a hitch once Felton comes out and all the work Tony has put in this offseason is a good sign/start. He can easily average 2-3 steals a game which is something we were hoping Nate could do but TD has the mindset to pull it off.

    Ps. I know others have asked but WHERE THE F IS FELTON!?!

    After TD I think Turiaf will have a big influence on our team on and off the court (Mason Jr. might do the same).

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    cosign. Mozgov will be the x-factor in this year. Douglas as a close second

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    Wilson Chandler is important and Azubuike returning from injury is important. Besides them for the great role player I think it has to be Bill Walker. If Bill Walker can be the player he was projected to be, then the Knicks are in good shape.
    Mozgov also has his part at 7'1' and developing into the NBA. If he produces he may even become a starter later in the season.

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    Roger Mason. He will be our starting SG unfortunately. We have a gaping hole in the roster at SG. It could very well be the missing piece that completely screws this season. Azubuike will be out for a long time, if not the whole year. Chandler at SG is just a bad idea for this system.

    If Mason can step in and play well, then we'll be fine. But if he plays poorly and we have to go with Chandler, then it will affect the entire system. Defenders will be able to stay off Chandler and clog the lane, essentially making it more difficult for Felton to drive the lane and/or kick-out or play the pcik-and-roll with Amare. Essentially the majority of the offensive system we intend to run is affected.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    If Mason can step in and play well, then we'll be fine. But if he plays poorly and we have to go with Chandler, then it will affect the entire system.
    Are you just completely writing off Walker? How do you go from Mason to Chandler? If anything its Walker, Mason THEN Chandler at the 2.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Are you just completely writing off Walker? How do you go from Mason to Chandler? If anything its Walker, Mason THEN Chandler at the 2.
    woooah wooooaah woooaaah!
    hooooold up a minute
    pump da brakes
    chandler 3rd behind walker and mason??? bull****

    walker and mason would have career years if they averaged chandlers stats last season when he playd a lot of it injured. i know theres a lot of wilson hate here, but lets keep in wunhunnid (100)

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    Azabuike.

    Not instantly, but prior to the ASG break.

    If the leg injury doesn't hurt his shooting, and he maintains consistency from mid-long range, then he'll be the (so far) missing piece, making the transition from the bench to the starting job.

    Not to expect too much from a 73 game absence and no preseason, but if by December he's rolling, that won't be too late, IMO.

    Add to that his defence and fast break prowess, and we're legit with 2 shooting threats, a quick, powerful PG, a transition/paint monster and 2 shot blockers/intimidators that can run the floor and trail plays. Never mind our grossly under rated bench.

    Initially, Azabuike will be the 6th, 7th or 8th man.

    After he missed 73 games last season and Summer League, pardon us if we take the latest Kelenna Azubuike report with a grain of salt.

    According to Hoopsworld's Alex Kennedy (via twitter) Azubuike's camp think he'll be ready for the season opener. Training camp, not so much. This isn't much different than we heard from the Knicks a month ago.

    The Knicks need to take their time and go slow here. Azubuike is an explosive athlete that is a fantastic fit in Mike D'Antoni's system. Knicks fans will love him. He will eventually pass Wilson Chandler for the starting two guard spot, just watch.

    Because of that potential, the Knicks cannot risk anything short of full recovery. Let him miss camp. Let him miss half of November. Control his minutes and keep them down when he first returns, slowly building them up. After all this recovery, better to go slow than have a setback. You don't want a lingering issue.

    Getting the conditioning and explosiveness back will take time. But the result is worth the wait. Knicks brass and fans just have to be patient.

    If not, then it's between Chandler, Mason Jr. and Walker. Don't count out Sky Walker just yet. Mason, at this stage, remains our healthiest and probably most reliable choice temporarily as a shooter/experienced player.

    Whoever plays best at the 2 is the X factor.

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    woooah wooooaah woooaaah!
    hooooold up a minute
    pump da brakes
    chandler 3rd behind walker and mason??? bull****

    walker and mason would have career years if they averaged chandlers stats last season when he playd a lot of it injured. i know theres a lot of wilson hate here, but lets keep in wunhunnid (100)
    I think it's more 'Wilson doubt' than 'Wilson hate'. None of us would be upset if he proved his doubters (not haters) wrong.

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    Why can't Douglas play the 2?

    Anyways, I go for The Mozel. Least likely of our x-factors to truly breakthrough, IMO, but the reward would be monumental. Not that he is exactly this player, but if he could somehow put up M. Gasol type stats/impact in the next couple years...wow..

    Still, Douglas/Walker becoming competent and consistently dangerous would be big for us in cementing our 2 rotation as guards.

    We have a lot of talent and youth, a ton of explosiveness, and good depth. We just need some combo of it to congeal at the 2 and 5 spot. Thankfully, our bigs and even guards are versatile so we have a lot of rotation options.

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    woooah wooooaah woooaaah!
    hooooold up a minute
    pump da brakes
    chandler 3rd behind walker and mason??? bull****

    walker and mason would have career years if they averaged chandlers stats last season when he playd a lot of it injured. i know theres a lot of wilson hate here, but lets keep in wunhunnid (100)
    I wasn't speaking in terms of depth, I was just trying to make a point that we have a functional and healthy true sg in Walker. Personally, I would start BW. I'd give Chandler some minutes at the 2 but very limited.

    It will be interesting to see how Chandler (SF) fits in. Sure he warrants playing time but i'm sure Gallo and AR will see plenty minutes between PF and SF.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Are you just completely writing off Walker? How do you go from Mason to Chandler? If anything its Walker, Mason THEN Chandler at the 2.
    I always forget about Walker. I don't know why. Although, judging from his Summer League performance, all of us may be forgetting about him soon.

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    in all fairness walker was noticeably along with douglas attempting to run the system often during summer league, Every one else was chucking threes, and holding the ball. I could tell douglas and walker were frustrated by that, but in all honesty walker playing along side gallo, amare, randolph, and turiaf will be a much different animal, more back door cuts for dunks, more weak side shifts for isolations, and many more open elbow three point attempts. Walker was put in the position of facilitator during the summer league many times, that is not his strong suit, his strong suit is to finish at the rim, get to the line, and knock down open jumpers similar to a JR smith ( with out the over shooting, and latrell sprewell choking antics )

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    So far basing this thread on the threads revolving around Felton, Gallo, Randolph, and Amare. All with whom we have deemed as being the best and most critical components to this new knicks regime.

    I ask you


    Who else is the X factor, because you dont win big if you dont have 8-10 guys on the same page

    the Lakers have their odom off the bench or robbery horry to spread the floor
    The spurs always had their matt bonners to spread the floor.
    The celtics have or had their Kendrick PErkins and Tony Allens
    The Magic have their JJ reddicks or Marcin GOrtats to go hard every night with consistent bench numbers


    Who are the knicks X factors or X factor

    Douglas ?

    TUriaf ?

    Roger Mason ?


    I want to hear some logical opinions, I feel this can be a good thread.
    Mozgov because if he turns out being worth the 3 mil per year then that will eventually put Turiaf on the bench, which is better for Turiaf due to injury problems and Mozgov/Amare will make a pick and roll feast.

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