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    Default Metrocard's 2K11 Player Ratings

    Just from how I feel the ratings should be and how im going to re-edit the ratings to because they never do it perfectly.


    PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    82 - Andre Iguodala (SG/SF)
    73 – Evan Turner (SF/SG)
    73 - Elton Brand (PF/C)
    71 - Thaddeus Young (PF/SF)
    71 - Louis Williams (PG/SG)
    70 – Marreese Speights (C)
    70 – Jrue Holliday (PG)
    68 - Willie Green (SG/PG)
    68 – Spencer Hawes (C)
    67 – Andres Nocioni (SF/PF)
    64 – Jodie Meeks (SG)
    63 – Jason Smith (C/PF)
    60 – Tony Battie (C/PF)
    58 - Jason Kapono (SF)


    CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
    81 - Gerald Wallace (SF/PF)
    78 - Stephen Jackson (SG/SF)
    75 – Tyrus Thomas (PF/C)
    71 - Boris Diaw (PF/C)
    69 – D.J. Augustin (PG)
    68 - Nazr Mohammed (C)
    68 - Erick Dampier (C)
    67 - Shaun Livingston (PG)
    66 – Derrick Brown (SF/PF)
    65 – Kwame Brown (C)
    64 – Dominic McGuire (SF)
    62 - Eduardo Najera (PF/C)
    62 – Sherron Collins (PG)
    61 - DeSagana Diop (C)
    61 - Matt Carroll (SG/SF)
    59 – Gerald Henderson (SG)

    MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    83 - Andrew Bogut (C)
    78 – Brandon Jennings (PG)
    75 - Corey Maggette (SF/PF)
    75 - John Salmons (SG/SF)
    70 - Drew Gooden (PF/C)
    70 - Ersan Ilyasova (PF)
    69 – Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (PF/SF)
    69 - Michael Redd (SG/SF)
    68 – Carlos Delfino (SF)
    68 - Keyon Dooling (PG/SG)
    67 – Chris Douglas-Roberts (SG/SF)
    67 – Earl Boykins (PG)
    66 – Larry Sanders (C/PF)
    64 – Jon Brockman (PF)
    64 – Darington Hobson (SF)


    CHICAGO BULLS
    83 – Derrick Rose (PG)
    80 - Carlos Boozer (PF/C)
    77 – Joakim Noah (C/PF)
    75 – Luol Deng (SF/PF)
    69 – Taj Gibson (PF)
    69 - Ronnie Brewer (SG/SF)
    68 - Kyle Korver (SF/SG)
    68 - Kurt Thomas (C)
    67 – C.J. Watson (PG)
    65 – James Johnson (SF/PF)
    64 – Omer Asik (C)
    61 – Keith Bogans (SG/SF)
    61 - John Lucas (PG)

    CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
    74 - Antawn Jamison (PF)
    73 - Mo Williams (PG)
    72 - Anderson Varejao (C/PF)
    70 - Joey Graham (SF)
    69 – J.J. Hickson (C/PF)
    69 – Jamario Moon (SF/SG)
    68 - Leon Powe (PF)
    68 - Anthony Parker (SG/SF)
    66 – Ryan Hollins (C)
    65 – Ramon Sessions (PG)
    61 - Daniel Gibson (PG/SG)
    61 – Christian Eyenga (SG/SF)
    60 – Danny Green (SG/SF)
    60 - Samardo Samuels (C/PF)


    BOSTON CELTICS
    83 - Rajon Rondo (PG)
    83 - Kevin Garnett (PF)
    80 - Paul Pierce (SF)
    78 – Shaquille O’Neal (C)
    77 - Ray Allen (SG/SF)
    76 - Jermaine O’Neal (C)
    74 - Kendrick Perkins (C)
    73 - Delonte West (SG/PG)
    72 – Nate Robinson (PG)
    71 – Glen Davis (PF)
    68 - Marquis Daniels (SF/SG)
    65 – Von Wafer (SG)
    65 – Avery Bradley (SG/PG)
    64 – Luke Harangody (PF)
    61 – Semih Erden (C)
    60 – Oliver Lafayette (PG)
    60 – Tony Gaffney (PF/SF)


    LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    79 – Blake Griffin (PF/C)
    77 - Chris Kaman (C)
    77 - Baron Davis (PG)
    75 – Eric Gordon (SG)
    69 – Al-Farouq Aminu (SF/PF)
    68 – Ryan Gomes (SF/PF)
    68 - Randy Foye (PG/SG)
    66 - Craig Smith (PF)
    65 - Rasual Butler (SF/SG)
    65 – DeAndre Jordan (C)
    64 – Eric Bledsoe (PG/SG)
    63 – Marqus Blakely (SF/PF)
    62 – Willie Warren (SG)
    59 – Brian Cook (PF)


    MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    79 - Zach Randolph (PF/C)
    79 - Rudy Gay (SF/PF)
    78 – O.J. Mayo (SG)
    73 – Marc Gasol (C)
    72 - Michael Conley (PG)
    68 - Tony Allen (SG)
    67 – Sam Young (SF/SG)
    67 – Xavier Henry (SG/SF)
    65 – Hasheem Thabeet (C)
    65 – Darrell Arthur (PF/C)
    64 – DeMarre Carroll (SF/PF)
    64 – Hamed Haddadi (C)
    63 – Acie Law (PG)
    63 – Greivis Vasquez (PG/SG)


    ATLANTA HAWKS
    81 - Joe Johnson (SG/SF)
    80 - Al Horford (C/PF)
    80 - Josh Smith (PF)
    73 - Jamal Crawford (SG/PG)
    70 - Mike Bibby (PG)
    70 - Marvin Williams (SF/PF)
    68 – Jeff Teague (PG)
    68 - Zaza Pachulia (C)
    67 – Jordan Crawford (SG)
    66 – Maurice Evans (SF/SG)
    63 - Etan Thomas (C)
    62 - Josh Powell (PF/C)
    61 – Pape Sy (SF/SG)
    53 - Jason Collins (C)


    MIAMI HEAT

    95 - LeBron James (SF/PF)
    93 – Dwyane Wade (SG/PG)
    86 - Chris Bosh (PF/C)
    71 - Udonis Haslem (PF/C)
    71 - Mike Miller (SG/SF)
    70 – Carlos Arroyo (PG)
    70 - Zydrunas Ilgauskas (C)
    69 – Mario Chalmers (PG)
    66 – Joel Anthony (C)
    65 - Juwan Howard (PF/C)
    64 – Da’Sean Butler (SF)
    64 - Eddie House (PG/SG)
    62 - James Jones (SF)
    62 - Jamaal Magloire (C)
    62 – Dexter Pittman (C)
    61 – Patrick Beverley (PG)
    60 – Kenny Hasbrouck (PG)
    60 - Shavlik Randolph (PF)


    NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
    91 - Chris Paul (PG)
    76 - David West (PF)
    74 - Emeka Okafor (C)
    73 – Trevor Ariza (SF/SG)
    68 – Marcus Thornton (SG)
    67 – Quincy Pondexter (SF)
    67 – Aaron Gray (C)
    67 - Peja Stojakovic (SF)
    66 - Darius Songaila (PF/C)
    65 – Craig Brackins (PF/C)
    64 – Marco Belinelli (SG)
    61 – Mustafa Shakur (PG)


    UTAH JAZZ

    88 - Deron Williams (PG)
    79 - Al Jefferson (C/PF)
    74 - Paul Millsap (PF)
    74 - Andrei Kirilenko (SF/PF)
    73 - Mehmet Okur (C)
    69 - Raja Bell (SG/SF)
    69 - C.J. Miles (SF/SG)
    68 – Gordon Hayward (SF)
    66 - Ronnie Price (PG/SG)
    65 – Sundiata Gaines (PG)
    62 – Kyrylo Fesenko (C)
    62 – Jeremy Evans (PF)
    61 – Othyus Jeffers (SG/SF)
    59 - Francisco Elson (C)


    SACRAMENTO KINGS
    81 – Tyreke Evans (SG/PG)
    74 – Carl Landry (PF)
    73 – DeMarcus Cousins (C)
    71 - Samuel Dalembert (C)
    70 – Jason Thompson (PF/C)
    69 – Omri Casspi (SF/SG)
    69 - Beno Udrih (PG)
    69 - Francisco Garcia (SG/SF)
    66 – Donte Greene (SF/PF)
    66 - Antoine Wright (SF/SG)
    66 - Luther Head (SG)
    66 – Hassan Whiteside (C)
    65 – Pooh Jeter (PG)
    62 – J.R. Giddens (SF/SG)
    58 – Darnell Jackson (PF/C)

    NEW YORK KNICKS
    85 - Amare Stoudemire (PF/C)
    74 - Raymond Felton (PG)
    73 – Danilo Gallinari (SF/SG)
    72 – Anthony Randolph (C/SF)
    71 – Wilson Chandler (SF/PF)
    69 – Toney Douglas (PG/SG)
    69 - Kelenna Azubuike (SG/SF)
    68 - Ronny Turiaf (C)
    66 - Roger Mason (SG)
    67 – Bill Walker (SG/SF)
    65 – Timofey Mozgov (C)
    64 – Landry Fields (SF)
    60 – Andy Rautins (SG)
    60 – Eddy Curry (C)
    59 – Patrick Ewing Jr. (PF/SF)

    LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    92 – Kobe Bryant (SG/SF)
    86 - Pau Gasol (PF/C)
    79 – Lamar Odom (PF)
    78 – Andrew Bynum (C)
    77 - Ron Artest (SF/PF)
    70 - Shannon Brown (SG/PG)
    69 - Matt Barnes (SF)
    69 – Steve Blake (PG)
    68 – Derek Fisher (PG)
    68 – Luke Walton (SF)
    64 – Derrick Caracter (PF/C)
    62 - Theo Ratliff (C)
    62 – Sasha Vujacic (SG)
    60 – Devin Ebanks (SF)

    ORLANDO MAGIC
    92 – Dwight Howard (C)
    77 - Vince Carter (SG/SF)
    75 – Jameer Nelson (PG)
    74 - Rashard Lewis (PF)
    72 - Mickael Pietrus (SF)
    70 - Brandon Bass (PF)
    70 – Quentin Richardson (SF)
    70 – J.J. Redick (SG)
    70 – Marcin Gortat (C)
    69 – Jason Williams (PG)
    68 – Chris Duhon (PG)
    64 – Ryan Anderson (PF)
    64 – Stanley Robinson (SF)
    60 – Daniel Orton (C)


    DALLAS MAVERICKS
    83 – Dirk Nowitzki (PF/C)
    79 - Jason Kidd (PG/SG)
    77 - Caron Butler (SF/SG)
    73 - Shawn Marion (SF/PF)
    72 - Brendan Haywood (C)
    71 - Tyson Chandler (C)
    71 – J.J. Barea (PG)
    69 - Jason Terry (SG)
    68 – Rodrigue Beaubois (PG/SG)
    65 – Dominique Jones (SG)
    65 - Tim Thomas (PF/SF)
    64 – Ian Mahinmi (C)
    61 - Dee Brown (PG)
    58 - DeShawn Stevenson (SG)
    57 – Alexis Ajinca (PF/C)


    NEW JERSEY NETS
    78 – Brook Lopez (C)
    77 - Devin Harris (PG)
    73 - Troy Murphy (PF/C)
    72 – Derrick Favors (PF/C)
    71 - Travis Outlaw (SF/PF)
    70 – Terrence Williams (SG/SF)
    69 - Kris Humphries (PF/C)
    68 - Anthony Morrow (SG/SF)
    67 – Damion James (SF)
    67 – Jordan Farmar (PG)
    66 - Johan Petro (C)
    61 - Quinton Ross (SG/SF)
    61 – Ben Uzoh (PG/SG)
    58 – Brian Zoubek (C)


    DENVER NUGGETS
    84 - Carmelo Anthony (SF)
    78 - Chauncey Billups (PG/SG)
    76 – Nene (C)
    74 - Kenyon Martin (PF)
    74 – Ty Lawson (PG)
    73 - Al Harrington (PF/C)
    73 - J.R. Smith (SG/SF)
    69 – Chris Andersen (C/PF)
    68 - Renaldo Balkman (SF/PF)
    66 – Arron Afflalo (SG)
    64 - Shelden Williams (PF/C)
    64 - D.J. Mbenga (C)
    62 – Anthony Carter (PG/SG)
    61 – Coby Karl (SG/SF)

    INDIANA PACERS
    82 - Danny Granger (SF/PF)
    77 – Darren Collison (PG)
    73 – Roy Hibbert (C)
    72 - T.J. Ford (PG)
    70 – Dahntay Jones (SG/SF)
    69 – Tyler Hansbrough (PF)
    68 – Paul George (SF/SG)
    68 - Mike Dunleavy (SF/SG)
    67 – Brandon Rush (SG/SF)
    65 - James Posey (SF/PF)
    65 – Lance Stephenson (SG)
    64 – Josh McRoberts (PF)
    64 - Jeff Foster (C)
    63 – A.J. Price (PG/SG)
    61 – Solomon Jones (C)

    DETROIT PISTONS
    77 - Tayshaun Prince (SF)
    75 – Rodney Stuckey (PG/SG)
    75 – Ben Gordon (SG)
    74 - Richard Hamilton (SG/SF)
    73 – Ben Wallace (C)
    72 – Will Bynum (PG)
    71 – Jonas Jerebko (PF/SF)
    71– Jason Maxiell (C/PF)
    71 – Tracy McGrady (SF/SG)
    71 - Charlie Villanueva (PF)
    68 – Greg Monroe (C/PF)
    67 – Austin Daye (SF)
    66 - Chris Wilcox (PF/C)
    66 – Terrico White (SG/PG)
    62 – DaJuan Summers (SF/PF)


    TORONTO RAPTORS
    75 - Andrea Bargnani (C/PF)
    74 - Jose Calderon (PG)
    73 - Leandro Barbosa (SG/PG)
    72 – Amir Johnson (PF)
    71 – DeMar DeRozan (SF/SG)
    70 - Jarrett Jack (PG/SG)
    69 – Ed Davis (PF/C)
    68 - Linas Kleiza (SF/PF)
    68 - Reggie Evans (PF/C)
    65 – Sonny Weems (SG/SF)
    65 – David Andersen (C)
    65 - Marcus Banks (PG)
    65 – Julian Wright (SF/PF)
    61 – Solomon Alabi (C)
    61 – Joey Dorsey (C/PF)


    HOUSTON ROCKETS
    84 – Yao Ming (C)
    77 – Luis Scola (PF/C)
    76 – Aaron Brooks (PG)
    76 - Kevin Martin (SG)
    73 - Kyle Lowry (PG/SG)
    72 - Shane Battier (SF/SG)
    69 - Brad Miller (C)
    67 – Jordan Hill (PF/C)
    67 – Patrick Patterson (PF/C)
    67 – Chase Budinger (SF)
    66 – Courtney Lee (SG/SF)
    66 - Chuck Hayes (C)
    66 – Jared Jeffries (PF/SF)
    64 – Mike Harris (PF)
    63 – Alexander Johnson (PF)
    62 – Jermaine Taylor (SG)
    60 – Ishmael Smith (PG)


    SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    87 - Tim Duncan (C)
    80 - Manu Ginobili (SG/SF)
    79 - Tony Parker (PG)
    75 – Tiago Splitter (PF/C)
    71 - DeJuan Blair (C/PF)
    70 - Richard Jefferson (SF/PF)
    68 – George Hill (PG/SG)
    67 - Antonio McDyess (PF)
    65 - Matt Bonner (PF)
    65 – James Anderson (SF/SG)
    64 – Gary Neal (SG)
    64 – Alonzo Gee (SF/SG)
    63 – Garrett Temple (SG/PG)
    61 – Curtis Jerrells (PG)


    PHOENIX SUNS
    84 - Steve Nash (PG)
    73 – Grant Hill (SF/SG)
    72 - Jason Richardson (SG)
    71 – Robin Lopez (C)
    71 - Josh Childress (SF/SG)
    70 – Goran Dragic (PG/SG)
    70 – Hedo Turkoglu (SF)
    69 - Hakim Warrick (PF)
    68 - Channing Frye (C)
    67 – Jared Dudley (SF)
    62 - Gani Lawal (PF/C)
    62 – Earl Clark (PF/SF)
    60 – Dwayne Jones (C)
    60 – Matt Janning (SG)


    OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    89 - Kevin Durant (SF)
    83 – Russell Westbrook (PG)
    74 – James Harden (SG)
    74 – Jeff Green (PF/SF)
    70 – Serge Ibaka (PF/C)
    68 - Nenad Krstic (C)
    68 - Nick Collison (C/PF)
    68 – Eric Maynor (PG)
    67 – Thabo Sefolosha (SG/SF)
    67 – Cole Aldrich (C)
    66 – D.J. White (PF)
    63 – Daequan Cook (SG/SF)
    61 - Royal Ivey (PG/SG)
    59 – Morris Peterson (SF/SG)
    57 – Byron Mullens (C)


    MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES

    79 – Kevin Love (PF/C)
    76 – Michael Beasley (PF/SF)
    76 – Johny Flynn (PG)
    72 - Luke Ridnour (PG)
    72 – Wesley Johnson (SF/SG)
    69 – Darko Milicic (C)
    68 – Nikola Pekovic (C)
    67 - Sebastian Telfair (PG)
    66 – Corey Brewer (SG/SF)
    65 - Martell Webster (SF)
    64 – Lazar Hayward (SF)
    64 – Wayne Ellington (SG)
    62 – Anthony Tolliver (PF/C)
    61 – Kosta Koufos (C/PF)


    PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
    86 - Brandon Roy (SG/SF)
    78 – Greg Oden (C)
    77 - LaMarcus Aldridge (PF/C)
    75 - Marcus Camby (C)
    74 - Andre Miller (PG)
    72 – Nicolas Batum (SF)
    71 – Jerryd Bayless (PG/SG)
    69 – Wesley Matthews (SG)
    68 – Luke Babbitt (SF)
    69 – Rudy Fernandez (SG)
    65 - Joel Przybilla (C)
    65- Dante Cunningham (PF)
    64 – Elliot Williams (SG)
    64 – Jeff Pendergraph (PF/C)
    63 – Armon Johnson (PG)

    GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    80 – David Lee (PF/C)
    80 - Monta Ellis (SG/PG)
    79 – Stephen Curry (PG/SG)
    71 - Andris Biedrins (C)
    70 – Ekpe Udoh (PF/C)
    67 - Louis Amundson (PF)
    69 – Reggie Williams (SF/SG)
    68 – Brandan Wright (PF)
    67 - Dorell Wright (SF/PF)
    66 - Rodney Carney (SF/SG)
    66 - Charlie Bell (SG/SF)
    63 – Jeremy Lin (PG)
    62 - Dan Gadzuric (C)
    59 – Vladimir Radmanovic (PF)


    D.C. WIZARDS
    [/B]78 - Gilbert Arenas (SG/PG)
    75 - Andray Blatche (PF/C)
    77 – John Wall (PG)
    72 – Kirk Hinrich (PG/SG)
    72 - Josh Howard (SF/SG)
    71 – JaVale McGee (C)
    71 – Al Thornton (SF)
    69 – Yi Jianlian (PF)
    68 – Nick Young (SG/SF)
    65 – Trevor Booker (PF)
    64 – Kevin Seraphin (C)
    64 - Cartier Martin (SF)
    64 – Lester Hudson (PG)
    63 - Hilton Armstrong (C)
    56 - Sean Marks (C/PF)
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    Scrolling through I mostly agree but Mozgov I think will be rated much lower than where you have him and I am betting Durant is rated a 90 at least.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Scrolling through I mostly agree but Mozgov I think will be rated much lower than where you have him and I am betting Durant is rated a 90 at least.
    Yeah I think mello will be a 90, or in the late 80s. theres no way STAT has a higher overall then Mello. I also think Bosh will be a 83, 84.

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    Frightening for the TWolves that Kevin Love is the best player on that team. They need to get players not take out ads in the Minnie newspaper apologizing to the fans.

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    a lot of dedication for a video game.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Just from how I feel the ratings should be and how im going to re-edit the ratings to because they never do it perfectly.
    Metro, whats the difference between Paul's 91 and Deron William's 88 rating?

    Why does CP get a +3 over DW? If anything they should be even at 88 or 91. You can even make a case that DW should be above CP because he's more durable.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Metro, whats the difference between Paul's 91 and Deron William's 88 rating?

    Why does CP get a +3 over DW? If anything they should be even at 88 or 91. You can even make a case that DW should be above CP because he's more durable.
    Paul is better.

    But to get into it.

    Paul's PER is 23.74
    Williams's PER is 20.62

    The season before Paul was 30.04(3rd in the NBA) and Williams was 21.13 (18th)

    The season before THAT, Paul was 2nd in the NBA in PER, 28.39 and Williams was 26th, at 20 again.

    Paul has always been better than Williams. People who don't do their research will be indifferent, whatever.

    I would rank Paul a 93-95, but he missed a lot of games last season. Williams isn't at his level, sorry. Paul will be the best PG in the NBA until he retires.


    Carmelo is so damn overrated.
    He's not a 90 at all. His defense is overrated too.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    a lot of dedication for a video game.
    Don't hate.
    I'm just making use of my creativity.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Paul is better.

    But to get into it.

    Paul's PER is 23.74
    Williams's PER is 20.62

    The season before Paul was 30.04(3rd in the NBA) and Williams was 21.13 (18th)

    The season before THAT, Paul was 2nd in the NBA in PER, 28.39 and Williams was 26th, at 20 again.

    Paul has always been better than Williams. People who don't do their research will be indifferent, whatever.

    I would rank Paul a 93-95, but he missed a lot of games last season. Williams isn't at his level, sorry. Paul will be the best PG in the NBA until he retires.


    Carmelo is so damn overrated.
    He's not a 90 at all. His defense is overrated too.
    I still like Williams better than Paul for the long haul. Its been proven time and time again that shorter guards who rely on quickness tend to fade a lot faster over time. I like Deron's defense and strength to give him a more all round game. I think his shooting is a lot better as well. Paul was definitely a better player before, but I'm not sure how long that will last with injuries and age.

    The system in which Paul runs also tends to inflate his numbers. Just look at Collison's numbers when he replaced him after injuries. I'm not saying its all in the system as Paul is amazingly talented, but I don't know if I'd pick him first among PGs anymore.

    I totally agree on Melo being overrated, though if he posted up a lot more he'd be unstoppable. I absolutely hate how the Nuggets run their offense.

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    Good **** it is good to see that I am not the only one who changes ratings and ****. You should post your roster on 2kshare when it comes out.

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    lol at the ratings. complete disagree. lol at the title of this thread. so egoistic

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Paul is better.

    But to get into it.

    Paul's PER is 23.74
    Williams's PER is 20.62

    The season before Paul was 30.04(3rd in the NBA) and Williams was 21.13 (18th)

    The season before THAT, Paul was 2nd in the NBA in PER, 28.39 and Williams was 26th, at 20 again.

    Paul has always been better than Williams. People who don't do their research will be indifferent, whatever.

    I would rank Paul a 93-95, but he missed a lot of games last season. Williams isn't at his level, sorry. Paul will be the best PG in the NBA until he retires.


    Carmelo is so damn overrated.
    He's not a 90 at all. His defense is overrated too.
    Forget all that PER stuff. DW led his team to more wins even when CP was healthy. They are both great talented guards but I don't see how PER gets CP 3 notches higher. That stat is full of fluff. I don't care what PER rank DW had in the past, he's no less of a talent than CP is. Research is actually watching games and knowing a players talent level outside of all these silly efficiency concoctions.

    Iverson probably had a low PER rating but you couldn't dare question his ability to carry a team.

    Melo isn't overrated. Check what DEN looked like before he got there and then after. Nuff said.

    I use to say Elton Brand was overrated because even with his numbers and decent teammates he could never make them better.

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    Originally Posted by iJoe
    I still like Williams better than Paul for the long haul. Its been proven time and time again that shorter guards who rely on quickness tend to fade a lot faster over time. I like Deron's defense and strength to give him a more all round game. I think his shooting is a lot better as well. Paul was definitely a better player before, but I'm not sure how long that will last with injuries and age.

    The system in which Paul runs also tends to inflate his numbers. Just look at Collison's numbers when he replaced him after injuries. I'm not saying its all in the system as Paul is amazingly talented, but I don't know if I'd pick him first among PGs anymore.

    I totally agree on Melo being overrated, though if he posted up a lot more he'd be unstoppable. I absolutely hate how the Nuggets run their offense.
    Since when Paul relies on quickness? He's Leandro Barbosa now? I honestly think you mistaken Paul for someone else. Paul doesn't even play at full speed. His game is based on his court vision, footwork, and technique as a PG, which he has mastered fully at the young age of 24. Paul is much more than a fast young guard, his speed and quickness is natural. His skills is what makes his game. Just because he's much faster than Williams doesn't mean thats the only aspect of his game. Don't get that confused.

    Other guys aren't Chris Paul. Chris Paul is a special talent and we haven't seen a PG of his caliber since Isiah Thomas. That point just makes no sense. Not every player is the same.

    Paul is a great defender too...better player before? Deron Williams was never better than Chris Paul, not in High School, not in College, not in the NBA, not even FIBA where Williams was backing up Paul.

    Shooting? They both are equal in terms of shooting. Do your research. here:

    nba.com or basketball-reference.com ... how the f*ck is Deron an "ALOT" better shooter than Paul? Paul isn't Rondo.

    I don't know why people stretch their arguments out so much that everything becomes nonfactual and completely bias. Just post the facts and accept the reality of the situation. Only an imbecile would think Deron is an ALOT better shooter than Chris Paul. They both shoot at an identical rate.

    Inflate numbers?
    You just contradicted your entire agrument.
    Utah run a HIGH TEMPO OFFENSE, and finished top 5-10 every season in field goal attempts.

    Where does New Orleans finish? 10-15 or sometimes even 15-20

    Paul has produced numbers every he's gone...his numbers are purely based on his ability, skill, and overall maturity at the PG position. You taking away credit from him makes you a fool. Sorry man, its just lame to take away credit from an athlete for your lame argument.

    Collison is a good PG too...he's not suppose to average those numbers?

    Originally Posted by jpz17
    lol at the ratings. complete disagree. lol at the title of this thread. so egoistic
    You're gay, you know this right? JJ Redick is your favorite player...so I overrated his rating so you wouldnt cry, and look, you still crying like a little bitch.

    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Forget all that PER stuff. DW led his team to more wins even when CP was healthy. They are both great talented guards but I don't see how PER gets CP 3 notches higher. That stat is full of fluff. I don't care what PER rank DW had in the past, he's no less of a talent than CP is. Research is actually watching games and knowing a players talent level outside of all these silly efficiency concoctions.

    Iverson probably had a low PER rating but you couldn't dare question his ability to carry a team.

    Melo isn't overrated. Check what DEN looked like before he got there and then after. Nuff said.

    I use to say Elton Brand was overrated because even with his numbers and decent teammates he could never make them better.

    Nah. Don't forget that PER stuff. I don't know what stuff and fluff is. The topic is basketball, and you're not using a lot of words that are telling me why Paul shouldn't be rated where he's at. Stats are facts. My arguments not only include stats, but explanations on why I'm using them. I rather use the facts than come into a thread looking like a bias oblivious dickhead.

    You're not an NBA scout, you're not certified to evaluate talent...so stop trying to act like on an NBA scout watching every NBA game sitting on your fat ass munching on a bag of doritos.

    Iverson has a great defensive team.
    Carmelo has a great team. Its not just him.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard

    You're not an NBA scout, you're not certified to evaluate talent.
    this quote is overflowing with win.

    see first post in thread for details.


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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Paul is better.

    But to get into it.

    Paul's PER is 23.74
    Williams's PER is 20.62

    The season before Paul was 30.04(3rd in the NBA) and Williams was 21.13 (18th)

    The season before THAT, Paul was 2nd in the NBA in PER, 28.39 and Williams was 26th, at 20 again.

    Paul has always been better than Williams. People who don't do their research will be indifferent, whatever.

    I would rank Paul a 93-95, but he missed a lot of games last season. Williams isn't at his level, sorry. Paul will be the best PG in the NBA until he retires.


    Carmelo is so damn overrated.
    He's not a 90 at all. His defense is overrated too.
    Right on bro..

    I agree w pretty much all of your assessments and am impressed w the deligence that goes into creating custom player ratings for an entire league.

    I used to do it religiously back in the good ole' NBA Live days. Nowadays I don't play video games as I'm a married, working stiff. It's sad.

    I truely feel being able to rate individually the various facets of a player's game well makes you that much more able to discern the attributes and deficits a player brings to the table as you watch them on the court in a real game. Conversely to even be able to rate those characteristics you have to watch alot b-ball and get a real good feel for what a player is showing you in their game. Doing this repetitiously sort of primes you to be able to quickly zero in on what players do & do not do well.

    I take pride in my assessments of players to this day and I think we share alot of common ground in this area. Cool thread!

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