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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I wouldn't be so sure that we can't sign him as a free agent:



    Why offer our youth and depth if we are able to sign him? It doesn't make any sense.

    Our best strategy is to wait. This produces the best outcome for the Knicks. Everyone wants to rush and get Melo just so we can win a few more games this year and have the excitement of another star.

    Patience.
    If we can wait of course we should but if another deal is imminent we must pull the trigger.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    If we can wait of course we should but if another deal is imminent we must pull the trigger.
    And this is where I disagree with all of you. I don't think we should pull the trigger on any deal just to get Melo.

    My opinion is that Gallo + Randolph + Douglas > Melo. The 3 of them combined is better for this Knick team than Melo alone. You do realize that if that trade were to go through our bench would be Mason and Turiaf with Rautins as our backup PG? Right? We wouldn't be winning anything with that. A first round exit in the playoffs, just like the current team.

    Melo isn't the "be all and end all" for the Knicks. There are better options.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    And this is where I disagree with all of you. I don't think we should pull the trigger on any deal just to get Melo.

    My opinion is that Gallo + Randolph + Douglas > Melo. The 3 of them combined is better for this Knick team than Melo. You do realize that if that trade were to go through our bench would be Mason and Turiaf with Rautins as our backup PG? Right? We wouldn't be winning anything with that. A first round exit in the playoffs, just like the current team.

    Melo isn't the "be all and end all" for the Knicks. There are better options.
    Yes but you do realize that we will acquire more players. Even if we are really thin this year we will obtain pieces along the way.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Yes but you do realize that we will acquire more players. Even if we are really thin this year we will obtain pieces along the way.
    So essentailly you're saying we wait another year to become contenders.

    Me too.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    So essentailly you're saying we wait another year to become contenders.

    Me too.
    Of course if we can just wait I too advocate that but that is a big IF. Assembling a core of Amare, Melo and Felton is not a gamble and we can lock down those three and fill needs along the way.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Of course if we can just wait I too advocate that but that is a big IF. Assembling a core of Amare, Melo and Felton is not a gamble and we can lock down those three and fill needs along the way.
    I'm fine with adding Melo. But it's the cost. That is what I'm arguing against. I get the feeling that a lot of Knick fans are desperate to add another super-star. Since we missed out on Lebron, they are willing to give up too much for Melo. I don't feel Melo is worth Gallo + Randolph + Douglas. That is way too much to give. Especially when we have the upper hand in negotiating. It is a stupid move and any GM should be fired for giving up that much under the current circumstances. You're playing into the hands of Denver by agreeing to those terms. Not smart.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    Melo is a great player. He's just not worth gutting the franchise for. Especially when we can sign him next year for nothing.
    I hear what your saying but unfortunately we don't have the luxury of deciding when to pursue him. He wants out now and we can't just make him become a FA next year.

    Sure it would be incredible if we could just wait till next year and not have to give up any important pieces but its not that simple. In your posts you constantly make it seem like we have a choice. Right now there is no next year because he wants out immediately.

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    MELO IS NOT SIGNING WITH NJ.....unless the bulls include noah.. we have the best deal on the table....

    now im hearing stories that the warriors are willing to part with curry for melo without a contract extension.. i hope that happens.. but honestly.. i think its just eye wash... all these scenarios and rumors are so that ny can increase their offer...

    i think if we stick to our guns.... we should be fine. but i would trade gallo and randolph for melo in a heartbeat.. but when u start talkin about tdog and chandler. too.. thats goin too far...

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I'm fine with adding Melo. But it's the cost. That is what I'm arguing against. I get the feeling that a lot of Knick fans are desperate to add another super-star. Since we missed out on Lebron, they are willing to give up too much for Melo. I don't feel Melo is worth Gallo + Randolph + Douglas. That is way too much to give. Especially when we have the upper hand in negotiating. It is a stupid move and any GM should be fired for giving up that much under the current circumstances. You're playing into the hands of Denver by agreeing to those terms. Not smart.
    IMHO, Gallo, AR and TD is worth less than Melo. Neither one of those players have proven they can close out games or carry a team the way Melo has over the years. Melo is a rare player with gifted offensive ability. I just don't understand how you can rate those umproven guys above Melo. TD is essentially a combo guard (plenty of those in the NBA), Gallo right now is a tall 3pt shooter (nothing special about that so far) and AR, who I believe has the most upside may one day will reach all-star status but for now he's just potential.

    If Melo was a Knick would you accept Gallo+TD or AR+TD for Melo? I don't think you would.

    I think what the Nuggets are asking in return from all interested teams is fair. However, I just hope we can get him for much less (not because that's what he's worth). Melo can tear any team apart.

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    I think the Knicks are more worried about what Melo might do than they are negotiating with DEN. In other words, they would be willinh to play chicken and wait this out, even prefer waiting to sign Melo next Summer.

    BUT, this tactic wont work if Melo decides to sign that extension and stay in DEN are agree to an extension with another team in some trade.

    Tough call.

    I would prefer to wait and get Melo w/out giving up anything.

    I could even understand riskinbg losing Melo, knowing you would then pursue Deron or Paul if necessary.

    But, let's be honest. Knicks must get Melo, Paul or Deron by next season otherwise they have practically zero chance winning anything while STAT is here.

    Tough call.

    BUt I think people don't understand how dynamic we would be with Felton-STAT-Melo. Their presence alone makes guys like Mason-Azubuike-Walker excellent role players, banging down 3s.

    Who knows. Could work out either way, and could be complete bust either way.

    BUT... i do feel like Walsh is calling DEN's bluff all along. I think Walsh knows Melo will go to 3 teams (Lakers, Bulls, Knicks). Maybe Clippers. I think Walsh has some control here, but ultimately Dolan is pulling the strings- and you know I-Thomas is pushing for a Melo deal?

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    1st. To be in a position where we as fans are content with our team is appreciated... Thanks Donnie

    2nd. That means we're good with or without Melo.

    3rd. That means we're no longer a desperate team, driven by fan disapproval and failure who is primed for rapage.

    4th. That means the ball (and control) is in Melo's court. If Melo really wants to be a Knick... we all know he can (just like Bron). If not we're cool. Denver can accept our offer or lose him for nothing. No team will mortgage their future for a rental.

    By refusing to sign an extension with another team except the Knicks, Melo can dictate his future.. just a matter of time.

    Either sooner or later they will break and we will capitalize.

    Thanks again Donnie! Either way... we win.

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    I agree with Red and LJ4PtPlay. I do not want to give up either Gallo or Randolph and certainly not both. So lets be patient.

    if we were to trade for Melo this year with his extended contract, we will have used up two-thirds of our cap and if we give up Gallo, Randolph and Douglas or Chandler, we will have eliminated some potentially very solid players who are easy on cap space. We are likely to have a late first round pick next year and no pick in 2012. How are we going to fill up a decent roster with such limited cap space? Things are likely to get harder under a new CBA.

    Melo is in the Nuggets camp and has apparently said all the right things. He does not appear to be in a hurry, at least on the surface. If he really wants New York, he can get it by waiting. Melo and Amar'e with Randolph, Gallo, Mozgov, Chandler, Douglas and Felton would really be a great team.

    Hang in there Melo. i can wait until next year and in the meantime watch our young team develop.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay

    That is the dumbest move and any GM that does it should be fired.

    You guys need to learn some new negotiating tactics. The Nets are not giving up Lopez. The Bulls are not giving up Noah.
    and we not giving up amare so whats your point? we are giving up unproved players for a star in mello.

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    Damn, the majority of y'all sound like me back when I was vehemently arguing the Knicks should trade for Paul. Knuckles strongly opposed me. Boy have you done a 180, lol.

    Now I'm on the otherside arguing for patience. Why is this you ask? Because I was drunken by the possibility of getting a star player I really like. It's sad. If there was a strong possibility of getting Paul now I'd prolly still be fighting tooth and nail w some of y'all.

    I give you credit LJ4ptplay. You've been consistent.

    I still think Paul is better than Melo. I still would want him on my team more than Melo. And i'd prolly let both Gallo and Randolph go to get him.

    It's smarter to wait tho.

    But only if you can almost guarantee the player will come.

    W Melo we all know he really wants to be here. Let him wait. Let our players develop. It really is more rational. I can't deny this anymore.

    I would make a ****ty GM.
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    Nope, I wouldn't trade both guys for Paul because I'm not convinced that you need a HOF caliber PG to win. A 6'8'' all around "you can't guard me" SF? Sure.

    And you haven't seen me once say that Gallo or Randolph absolutely will not meet their potential, I'm saying that it's less of a risk taking Melo when you have no assurances that either player will pan out the way we want them to.

    I'll be equally as happy if we can keep both players and get Melo, but you don't let the opportunity to grab a player at his position, with his skill set, of his caliber, pass you by. A PG? Not so much.

    You're of the mindset that your ability to judge talent trumps that of all of the various scouts that say Randolph should develop into a monster if he can stay healthy and pack some muscle onto his frame...why exactly? I dunno. But I value their assessment of him higher than I do of some random dude online.

    I'm of the mindset that neither player is a sure thing due to their age and lack of a large enough sample size in the NBA to see exactly what you have. I'll trade potential for proven if it's worth it. And like you've seen over the past decade+, you don't need a HOF caliber PG to win...bigs and wingmen are a diff story.

    It doesn't really matter what the caliber of the player is if his position has been devalued in the current state of the game. If a serviceable PG is good enough to win as long as he has the right grouping of talent around him of the right caliber, you follow that model as closely and effectively as possible to build your team. If Nash and Amar'e wasn't good enough when Nash was winning MVP's then I'll go more for the Amar'e/Melo formula.
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