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    I for one have been lukewarm on Gallo and have always thought he was a decent but not a potentially game changing player. While he may never evolve into the superstar all u delusional Knicks fan thought he would be he, he is certainly a good player. In Defense of Gallo I preset to you these points...

    1. Gallo just isn't physically gifted or tenacious enough to be part of the NBA Elite. As a spot up shooter he can't really take much advantage of his playmaking ability because he rarely handles the ball. Without a willingness to drive to the basket Gallo never has a chance to make plays get fouled or really get into the game.

    2. Gallo is rally being affected by the trade rumors as he has clearly stated he wants to stay in New York. Imagine how pissed he must be from thinking he would be ballin with Lebron Settling with Amare and then finally landing on Denver as part of a rebuilding prject something he painfully knows all to well.

    3. If people had not overhyped him so freaking much you would be happy to have drafted a reasonable role player in a weak draft, its not like we took him over Carmelo bosh and wade. If he just turns out to be a decent rotation guy thats fine people need to leave him alone **** worshipers (heh) and detractors alike. Gallo will be a better player than Eddy Curry, Sweetney, Frye, Nate, Balkman, Collins. Imagine how much worse off we would of been by drafting Randolph whos stock has plummeted this Pre-Season.

    4. If Gallo and Randolph get us Carmelo consider them worthwhile investments

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    Originally Posted by Red
    For a moment after Gallo dropped 30 something on Mello... I gave him props for not backing down.

    But the buck stops there. One issue I notice with some is the lack of objectivity- cause he was drafted by us & we need someone to step up... but here it is...

    Have any of you learned the game? Not just put the ball in the hole, but actually know the game? Do you know how to play the game?

    If you did... you would know that having a jumper and knowing the game are 2 different things. When to drive, to pass, to D up, to defer, HOW TO GET YOUR SHOT, how to box out and use leverage, when to cross over and not to...

    These are fundamentals! This is what happens when you sell us a bill of goods. When you make us think Gallo has an ubber IQ.

    High IQ players know how to play the game. They understand the game. Spacing, decision making, shot selection.. are 2nd nature to those who know how to play the game. No need to teach this- rather refine and eliminate bad habbits from these types.

    Athleticism, strength, endurance, speed etc... these are natural things that Gallo lacks.

    A well rounded, fundamental knowledge is what Gallo lacks. He has 2 +'s... Size & a jumper!

    Better IQ players compensate for their shortcomings with thru hunger & drive. Some like Allen, Miller or Rip, create space thru constant motion.

    Some use size or speed to get to their spots. Some even make up for it by becoming defensive specialists. But in Gallo he is just limited.

    Logically, by now you would know if he could dominate, or adapt, or impact other phases of the game... with his Italian resume, he's been involved in "organized-coached" ball. But he hasn't.


    REALIZE THIS AND either don't expect much or stop making him out to be someone he never was. It shows conditioning, blind hope, and a lack of evaluating sk
    +1 agreed.....

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Ok Trill.. I see you're still holding out hope and I commend you for that. You did the same for your boy Lee... and then Amare showed up and you know you put the "Beast" label on him quick.

    I want to make sure you guys know what I'm saying. Gallo like Lee ISN'T garbage. But based on his projection i.e. a very BB IQ, handle etc.... he's a disappointment.

    Lee wasn't drafted 8th overall above two more skilled players. Lee's god father isn't the coach. And Lee learned to do what a big man does... except play defense.

    And wasn't that the point? We had trouble playing defense, you & others claimed it was on the players... and looking at the stats Lee was ome of the worse. So that means we who said Lee's shortcomings make him expendable.... were right, right? Not garbage, just not what WE needed.

    Gallo was supposed to be a leader, a "Point Fwd", with high IQ. So why is he so flawed fundamentally. Why can't he dribble and shoot with consistency?

    You know we've listed STUPID amounts of excuses for him... but the proof is in the pudding. He could help and impact IN Many Ways.... do the stats reflect this... NO.

    He's not garbage, just not exactly what WE need and that makes him expendable. He's definately NOT a corner stone.
    Co-sign agreed. Gallo was the sixth overall pick if memory serves..... Its funny everyone is still using the same lame excuses for Gallo now that were used 2 years ago when we "overdrafted" him to please his godfather the coach. Now that the chickens are coming home to roost, those same excuses have worn thin. If Gallo was the "hard-worker" that he is being proported to be, he would of stayed in the states and worked on his skills this past summer. Instead he took a three month "European Vacation" and came back with the same bad habits. When is enough ENOUGH???? I have seen glimpses, but not ENOUGH. Package this guy in the Melo or Paul or whoever trade while we can still play the "potential" card.

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    ^^ASAP, The faster the better. I never wanted him to play at all, I feared his lack of talent would be exposed and now that is exactly whats happening. I sure hope the delay wasn't coming from the Knicks camp (the coach).

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    Originally Posted by Red
    ....you my friend are a homer... a tool.

    You can "believe" all you want. I have seen for my own eyes. NO Gallo isn't garbage (btw we've had this debate long before u got here, 100x's)...

    he's just not as good as expected or projected.

    And yes I have a good idea on what it takes to avg 20ppg.... I'm a coach! and have been one for a while. It takes someone to score 20ppg!

    But that's a problem in and of itself. You like Gallo are worried about PPG INSTEAD of "How to help the team win".

    But what I should really be pointing out is the fact that Wilson Chandler is a more efficient, well rounded player, with more potential, better than Gallo...

    and I don't see you or others sucking him....

    oh that's right... you "like" Gallo more... so he must be better. STFU.

    My point about being athletic or the fastest/strongest is that is a foundation where we can build. IQ is a good quality, where we can build. Height and a jumper are useless without a compliment of unselfish team mates, and are useless when you are not smart enough, or athletic enough to create separation. Learn the game.

    @ 6'11 your skill set in the NBA is partly predetermined. Jumpers aside... blocking, rebounding need to be priorities.

    if not... then you will be caused to play out of position and there's a ripple from that. Or Unless you think u can carry a team w your 20ppg...lol... go back to Italy w that sh@t!
    Gallo needs to learn to make what he sees-- cause he is aware tho u may not agree-- Jibe w what he can do. Then he'll be able to just react instead of thinking, which is what is happening when we see him playing sub-par.

    And bro, common. Really? Your gonna say Gallo isn't fundamentally sound? Really? Dude is he's young and inexperienced. That's the differentiation that needs to be made here. He's not lacking fundamentals.

    Gallo does have high basketball IQ, but he's only been in the league for a season and change. And as I've stated before he's still learning the NBA game. Even high IQ players have to adjust to the pro game dude. You should know that being a coach and all..

    Gallo is fundamentally sound. He knows the game. He just doesn't know enough about the NBA game yet to do all he's capable of. He'll get there tho.

    I think we've seen he can dominate at times, crucial times, like the 4th quarter or against some big time players at a clip. But he needs to be more consistent. I've said this all along, but u say i'm not being objective. Oh well.

    I like Gallo, yes. That's true. But my evaluations of him have been spot on and parallel what other pro's and NBA evaluators have said regarding his game. You my friend, the JV coach, is the one going against more sound judgement.

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    Originally Posted by BleedOrange&Blue
    I for one have been lukewarm on Gallo and have always thought he was a decent but not a potentially game changing player. While he may never evolve into the superstar all u delusional Knicks fan thought he would be he, he is certainly a good player. In Defense of Gallo I preset to you these points...

    1. Gallo just isn't physically gifted or tenacious enough to be part of the NBA Elite. As a spot up shooter he can't really take much advantage of his playmaking ability because he rarely handles the ball. Without a willingness to drive to the basket Gallo never has a chance to make plays get fouled or really get into the game.

    2. Gallo is rally being affected by the trade rumors as he has clearly stated he wants to stay in New York. Imagine how pissed he must be from thinking he would be ballin with Lebron Settling with Amare and then finally landing on Denver as part of a rebuilding prject something he painfully knows all to well.

    3. If people had not overhyped him so freaking much you would be happy to have drafted a reasonable role player in a weak draft, its not like we took him over Carmelo bosh and wade. If he just turns out to be a decent rotation guy thats fine people need to leave him alone **** worshipers (heh) and detractors alike. Gallo will be a better player than Eddy Curry, Sweetney, Frye, Nate, Balkman, Collins. Imagine how much worse off we would of been by drafting Randolph whos stock has plummeted this Pre-Season.

    4. If Gallo and Randolph get us Carmelo consider them worthwhile investments
    I have to argue some points.

    1.) Gallo is not physically gifted like Chandler who is strong and a great slasher, I agree. BUT it doesn't mean Gallo can not be affective enough to be an allstar. The reason why Gallo is compared to Dirk is because Dirk is not physically gifted but a tall lights out shooter who spreads the offense and has unlimited range. Gallo can be that player if he was ever consistent and had a drive to be the best, mentally. We have seen Gallo take over basketball games, remember when he scored over 30 points against Melo and the Nuggets? That happened because Gallo only plays good when he is provoked, he has to get pissed off to focus and then he is unstoppable.

    2.) The fact that Gallo is being affected by trade rumors, playing worse than usual instead of playing better to prove to people how good he is, shows me that he might never be the go-to player we desperately need to pair with Amare. If Gallo can't handle trade rumors, how is he ever going to handle a successful NY team and being one of the main guys? If anything he should have less pressure now that he has Felton feeding him passes and Amare drawing defenders. Gallo continues to be non existant when it comes to moving off the ball and using screens to get open for shots. This all shows me how much of a head case Gallo is and that he will take years to develop.

    3.) Gallo was taken before Brook Lopez, all I need to say. Imagine Felton, Fields, Chandler, Amare, and Lopez as a starting lineup with bench players of Douglas, Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph etc.

    4.) Gallo, Randolph and maybe Chandler would be the investments for Melo, I expect all of them to be traded so Denver can receive the 1st round picks they need for a trade. Randolph and Chandler have been asked to be traded for 1st round picks but Donnie has refused, for now.

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    true knick fan here


    it's too quick to write him off IMO


    he dropped 15ppg for a whole season strictly off shooting(not the greatest fg% but at least it's better than AI's). not an efficient strategy but believe it or not it immensely improved his ability to knock down tough long shots(a skill that only kobe and durant are consistent with ATM, and i'm talking about 30-40% success rate taking tough shots alone). it's what separates the greats.


    also consider that the coaches haven't honestly tapped into his potential.
    first, Dantoni ONLY runs one of 2 plays every time down the court, either a high PF pick and roll or guards curl around for a quick hand-off 3. not ideal for getting into rhythm, too many shots LOW FG%. a mid-range and baseline game need to be added for guys like amare and gallo. perhaps more pick n roll together(and more cowbell).

    also the coaching staff haven't even tried to solve his inconsistent driving game. they could've moved him to SG where he'd be up against generally smaller players that don't have the strength of an SF. that would strengthen his dribble IMO and would eventually allow him to be a star SF. not sure but i think thats what OKC did with durant initially?

    and lastly gallo STILL doesn't get enough isolation plays or the RIGHT ones for that matter. they can either ISO him at the top and spread the players out or better yet iso at the elbow and clear a side(for example right elbow other players go left, left elbow players go right to free a side) this would be unstoppable against an SG especially considering gallo's size, shot ability and dribble.

    but dantoni is fine with shooters running around like gerbils jacking up 3's, so im afraid he'll never see the bigger picture. he honestly hit the jackpot with steve nash who is the BEST @ off dribble fast break 3ptrs.

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    Gallo had plenty of Iso plays during Pre-season. The fact remains that he's just too slow, weak, and haves a very poor handle (for an NBA player). He tries to drive but most of the time he ends up on the floor because he's clumsy and frail. He tries to drblle and looses his wack cross over way too often. He has a very hard time dribbling with his head up and that is his main reason for loosing control. I really don't see what the gallo fan club sees. I'm starting to wonder how many people here has ever picked up B-Ball. What they constitute as skills is baffling, imo...

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    Gallo had plenty of Iso plays during Pre-season. The fact remains that he's just too slow, weak, and haves a very poor handle (for an NBA player). He tries to drive but most of the time he ends up on the floor because he's clumsy and frail. He tries to drblle and looses his wack cross over way too often. He has a very hard time dribbling with his head up and that is his main reason for loosing control. I really don't see what the gallo fan club sees. I'm starting to wonder how many people here has ever picked up B-Ball. What they constitute as skills is baffling, imo...
    He has a very nice shot. For a player his size it is already elite.

    He can play D, and has intangibles there, to go with 4th Q clutch ability.

    He has the ability and drive to take over and win games, which he has.

    Even after a poor start, showing grit and on court class for a young player.

    He can be an elite slasher.

    He can pass pretty well for such a big man, and already can also steal and block pretty well for his position.

    And he's done and can do all this in a 6'10+ frame.

    All of this is fact. Not saying your concerns and observations are even wrong, but you can't totally write him off as you have.

    He's something of a mixed bag right now.

    But he's had 1 full season and he's what, 21? Maybe 22? Can't bust his chops like he's out up stank us numbers all over the place and is like 27.

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    I hear ya.
    pardon the delay, I'm muti-tasking over here at work...

    [quote=iSaYughh;138673]He has a very nice shot. For a player his size it is already elite.

    He can play D, and has intangibles there, to go with 4th Q clutch ability.

    that's an opinion, I've seen him get his ankles cracked, let defenders drive by and give up too much position because he's too slow.

    He has the ability and drive to take over and win games, which he has.

    When I see him drive he looses his handle most of the time. I even see how he tries to masked his poor driving skills by taking Hugh steps to the basket...which in many cases throws his light frame off balance. he has no ball handle.

    Even after a poor start, showing grit and on court class for a young player.

    I never really questioned his heart (except for going inside more) but he will need much more than that to win. I'll be mad too if my game was sucking and the opposition was getting the best of me.

    He can be an elite slasher.

    Just about anyone can be (in the NBA)...but as the days go on I don't see that in Gallo, and I'm sure you don't either. Be honest not optimistic.

    He can pass pretty well for such a big man, and already can also steal and block pretty well for his position.

    What are you seeing?? are you talking about his days in that Italy PSAL league?

    And he's done and can do all this in a 6'10+ frame.

    Delusional, but hey, that's your prerogative. I'm hardly seeing any of this, no more than the average rated player in the NBA.

    All of this is fact. Not saying your concerns and observations are even wrong, but you can't totally write him off as you have.

    The fact is we will do better as a fairly runned team without him. The Fact is that most Gallo fans don't even see his ties to the coach and his lack of skills is going to be a serious problem to the team.

    He's something of a mixed bag right now.

    He's confused alright...

    But he's had 1 full season and he's what, 21? Maybe 22? Can't bust his chops like he's out up stank us numbers all over the place and is like 27.

    I've heard that excuse since he's got here. I think Fields and walker is better then Gallo, so let them shine and get rid of the coaches godson so we don't have to worry about any favoritism, his services are not all that valuable. His one deminsional style of play can be done by others on the team...as you can see. He will just be a distraction.[/quote]

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    [QUOTE=Real NY Baller;138678]I hear ya.
    pardon the delay, I'm muti-tasking over here at work...

    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    He has a very nice shot. For a player his size it is already elite.

    He can play D, and has intangibles there, to go with 4th Q clutch ability.

    that's an opinion, I've seen him get his ankles cracked, let defenders drive by and give up too much position because he's too slow.

    He has the ability and drive to take over and win games, which he has.

    When I see him drive he looses his handle most of the time. I even see how he tries to masked his poor driving skills by taking Hugh steps to the basket...which in many cases throws his light frame off balance. he has no ball handle.

    Even after a poor start, showing grit and on court class for a young player.

    I never really questioned his heart (except for going inside more) but he will need much more than that to win. I'll be mad too if my game was sucking and the opposition was getting the best of me.

    He can be an elite slasher.

    Just about anyone can be (in the NBA)...but as the days go on I don't see that in Gallo, and I'm sure you don't either. Be honest not optimistic.

    He can pass pretty well for such a big man, and already can also steal and block pretty well for his position.

    What are you seeing?? are you talking about his days in that Italy PSAL league?

    And he's done and can do all this in a 6'10+ frame.

    Delusional, but hey, that's your prerogative. I'm hardly seeing any of this, no more than the average rated player in the NBA.

    All of this is fact. Not saying your concerns and observations are even wrong, but you can't totally write him off as you have.

    The fact is we will do better as a fairly runned team without him. The Fact is that most Gallo fans don't even see his ties to the coach and his lack of skills is going to be a serious problem to the team.

    He's something of a mixed bag right now.

    He's confused alright...

    But he's had 1 full season and he's what, 21? Maybe 22? Can't bust his chops like he's out up stank us numbers all over the place and is like 27.

    I've heard that excuse since he's got here. I think Fields and walker is better then Gallo, so let them shine and get rid of the coaches godson so we don't have to worry about any favoritism, his services are not all that valuable. His one deminsional style of play can be done by others on the team...as you can see. He will just be a distraction.[/quote]
    You seriously underrate Gallo's ball-handling ability. It's retarded to say he has no handle. That's just misinformation.

    He can be a 3 pt launching point- foward in the NBA. He just needs time. You facking people are so impatient. Let him get comfortable playing the game at this level. We will start to see more and more of what he can do as he gets more acclimated to the pro game. In the mean time stop hatin'.

    Remember, Gallo grew up playing the PG position. You need to be able to handle the ball to run an offense right?

    Nate Robinson of all people, in an interview during a summer league game last year, said of Gallo that he could be a PG, that he handles the ball and, can run the offense like one. That's pretty high praise coming from a peer, even considering the source.

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    [quote=ronoranina;138692]
    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    I hear ya.
    pardon the delay, I'm muti-tasking over here at work...



    You seriously underrate Gallo's ball-handling ability. It's retarded to say he has no handle. That's just misinformation.

    He can be a 3 pt launching point- foward in the NBA. He just needs time. You facking people are so impatient. Let him get comfortable playing the game at this level. We will start to see more and more of what he can do as he gets more acclimated to the pro game. In the mean time stop hatin'.

    Remember, Gallo grew up playing the PG position. You need to be able to handle the ball to run an offense right?

    Nate Robinson of all people, in an interview during a summer league game last year, said of Gallo that he could be a PG, that he handles the ball and, can run the offense like one. (WTF?????) That's pretty high praise coming from a peer, even considering the source.

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    I can't even believe you actually believe that and secondly included it in your post. Do you watch the games bro? Your waaay off on that one.

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    Originally Posted by the portable man
    true knick fan here


    it's too quick to write him off IMO


    he dropped 15ppg for a whole season strictly off shooting(not the greatest fg% but at least it's better than AI's). not an efficient strategy but believe it or not it immensely improved his ability to knock down tough long shots(a skill that only kobe and durant are consistent with ATM, and i'm talking about 30-40% success rate taking tough shots alone). it's what separates the greats.


    also consider that the coaches haven't honestly tapped into his potential.
    first, Dantoni ONLY runs one of 2 plays every time down the court, either a high PF pick and roll or guards curl around for a quick hand-off 3. not ideal for getting into rhythm, too many shots LOW FG%. a mid-range and baseline game need to be added for guys like amare and gallo. perhaps more pick n roll together(and more cowbell).

    also the coaching staff haven't even tried to solve his inconsistent driving game. they could've moved him to SG where he'd be up against generally smaller players that don't have the strength of an SF. that would strengthen his dribble IMO and would eventually allow him to be a star SF. not sure but i think thats what OKC did with durant initially?

    and lastly gallo STILL doesn't get enough isolation plays or the RIGHT ones for that matter. they can either ISO him at the top and spread the players out or better yet iso at the elbow and clear a side(for example right elbow other players go left, left elbow players go right to free a side) this would be unstoppable against an SG especially considering gallo's size, shot ability and dribble.

    but dantoni is fine with shooters running around like gerbils jacking up 3's, so im afraid he'll never see the bigger picture. he honestly hit the jackpot with steve nash who is the BEST @ off dribble fast break 3ptrs.
    Nuff said.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina



    You seriously underrate Gallo's ball-handling ability. It's retarded to say he has no handle. That's just misinformation.

    He can be a 3 pt launching point- foward in the NBA. He just needs time. You facking people are so impatient. Let him get comfortable playing the game at this level. We will start to see more and more of what he can do as he gets more acclimated to the pro game. In the mean time stop hatin'.

    Remember, Gallo grew up playing the PG position. You need to be able to handle the ball to run an offense right?

    Nate Robinson of all people, in an interview during a summer league game last year, said of Gallo that he could be a PG, that he handles the ball and, can run the offense like one. That's pretty high praise coming from a peer, even considering the source.

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    wow, you're serious aren't you?

    I only give credit where it’s due, I have no problem with that. I will not give credit to a player that can not dribble with his/her head up, or takes giant strides to camouflage his inability to play in the post. Gallo has always showcased a very poor handle, especially in this pre-season. I don’t believe in giving PRO athletes time to develop the basic fundamentals of basketball…that’s insane. If he grew up playing the point then it must have been for a weak team and league…I’ve seen better handles on a dresser. In this pre-season I saw more bricks and air balls thrown up by this kid then ever before. I don’t want to hear that tired excuse “its only pre-season”. Preseason is supposed to be the time to show how much you have improved your game. Can you honestly say you saw any improvements?

    Impatient? You call the last 2 years of misguided hope being impatient…even after the many horrible years before this years FA drama? Sounds like you care more about Gallo than the actual team he’s playing on. I really don’t know what to say to you without sounding offensive when you claim that Gallo can play the point. Ridiculous comes to mind…so I’ll leave it at that.

    You do know players will hardly ever bad mouth others in this league for various reasons…especially if they play on the same team, and you’re already in hot water with the coach…who just so happens to be Gallo’s family. Besides, friends/teammates are always known to speak highly of their team mates. I’m hating because I see the distractions, if coach brought in a legit player then this would not even be a discussion. But, I still will probably have issues with the favoritism thou, tbh.

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    "A wise man once said don't argue with fools.... cause people from afar can't tell who's who" -JayZ

    Good post RealNyBaller. I don't know what these Gallo supporters are smoking but...

    "These dudes got more excuses than a pregnant teenager" -Red

    I said long ago Chandler was better than Gallo... and what followed was 1.5 years of excuses. He's better in every way except 3's made. Stats or otherwise. Athletic, defensive, draws fouls, unselfish, adaptable, bigger, faster, stronger. Better handle, better IQ, better in every way. One on One, three on three, five on five. Off the bench, starting 5... Chandler is better and really isn't that good as he has room for improvement.

    But was he drafted as high..no. Was his resume gassed.. no. Did we hear about what a leader he was.. no. Did we hear about how he takes games over..no. Did we hear about his master IQ.. no.

    All we've done is heard of this Gallo fella and see nothing but inconsistent, over-embellished, results followed by EXCUSES. All we hear about Chandler is.... NOTHING.

    He goes out, does what the coach asks, plays multiple positions, and inproves. He keeps his mouth shut, and goes about his business. Too bad Chandler isn't from Italy.

    Gallo is good alright... good enough to be put under our microscope, found to be lacking, and can be used as trade bait. That good.

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