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    Originally Posted by Toons
    i think randolph should start at the 3. After seeing him a few games, he definitely cant play the 5 this season. our most effective lineup is

    Douglas
    Chandler
    Randolph
    Stoudamire
    Mozgov

    with felton, azu, gallo as the core bench
    i agree, I was hounding people for not suggesting Randolph at the 5 but i was proven wrong, he has no post defense skills, and gets bodied up everytime, plus he can't box out...fundamentals!

    He is better as a wing man...def Lamar Odom type without the long range jump shot and better athleticism.

    Your lineup looks like the best but we have no shooters which would make us have brick after brick. If we were a slashing team then we would murder teams with that lineup.

    Mike D has to tell Gallo to stop chucking eventually.

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    Originally Posted by StEpHoN_mArBuRy
    Gallo.. if his shot isn't going he's useless.
    Yeah he does look that way at times when he's not hitting. But Gallo is still figuring out the NBA game. He's still not sure when to force is way to the hole for either the finish or foul, or when to not settle for a three and instead shoot a midrange shot, or when to stop shooting threes. There should be periods during a game where he says to himself, "i'm not settling for the 3". There's other times when the defense gives him the 3. He should definitely take them whenever those opportunities are presented. I think he has all of these elements to his game, he's just still trying to figure out when and how best to use them. He will, it'll just take time.

    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    He needs another dimension to his game. I'm confident that it's there, but he doesn't seem to be harnessing it just yet...

    He needs to limit his 3 point shots to 5 a game and instead focus on driving to the basket and establishing himself as a legitimate post player.

    He can't hit 3's if people know all he's gonna do his shoot 3's...the 3 point shot is best used as a complement to a player's game.

    Gallo has the ability to be more than a Kyle Korver. But if he doesn't work on his game, that's all he really is.
    Well put! I'm not sure he needs to work on his game more. HE HAS THE GAME. He just needs to put it all together mentally.

    Listen Gallo is not Korver, even if he's only taking 3s. Gallo is a better shooter than 95% of players in the league, & that's even debatable. He might be even better; better even than some of bigger names that come to mind. His shot is pure. That part of his game is what will make the dribble-drive piece easier and more effective. So many people on these boards underrate him as a shooter. Combine that attribute w a potent drive game and you have the basis for which he can be assessed as a future all-star.

    Originally Posted by Toons
    i think randolph should start at the 3. After seeing him a few games, he definitely cant play the 5 this season. our most effective lineup is

    Douglas
    Chandler
    Randolph
    Stoudamire
    Mozgov

    with felton, azu, gallo as the core bench
    You're being sarcastic right?? You have been watching Randolph this preseason right? Randolph hasn't shown anything to me thus far that would indicate he should start over Gallo, Chandler, or even Fields for that matter.
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    i write here what i have already written in another thread. If the problem is the way of Gallo playing i'm afraid that this is not his fault but D'Ant's fault. And i can explain this easily. I follow Gallo since he started to play basket in Italy at 16 years old. I know that is not nba but you can have faith in me... he wasn't considered a shooter. He liked to attack the basket and playing in the paint. he now do what the coach say and the coach in this case is mistaking completely

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    Originally Posted by Aristoteles
    i write here what i have already written in another thread. If the problem is the way of Gallo playing i'm afraid that this is not his fault but D'Ant's fault. And i can explain this easily. I follow Gallo since he started to play basket in Italy at 16 years old. I know that is not nba but you can have faith in me... he wasn't considered a shooter. He liked to attack the basket and playing in the paint. he now do what the coach say and the coach in this case is mistaking completely
    I agree that Gallo has these other aspects to his game. But where I differ with your thinking is that coach is telling him to be 3pt shooter.

    Coach knows Gallo's game. He knows he can drive, finish and do other things. I think he's definitely encouraging him to be more dynamic. We just don't hear it. That to some of y'all seems to mean it's not happening - which is ridiculous. It takes awhile for the messages to translate on to the court tho. But it'll happen. I have faith.

    The ideal message to give Gallo is: TAKE WHAT THE D GIVES YOU!..

    If your open, shoot.

    If the defender closees on you, go by them.

    If your man plays you close, jabstep em' to create space, take a dribble or two.

    If there's enough space shoot, if not pumpfake then shoot or draw a foul.

    Post up when the matchup is advantageous.

    Pick and pop.

    Just play.

    I hope thas Coach's message. If he can't tell Gallo those things, then he ain't the offensive guru everybody thinks he is.. D'ant and the other coaches really are telling Gallo that stuff tho. It's obvious sh*t.

    Gallo's gotta put it together.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Yeah he does look that way at times when he's not hitting. But Gallo is still figuring out the NBA game. He's still not sure when to force is way to the hole for either the finish or foul, or when to not settle for a three and instead shoot a midrange shot, or when to stop shooting threes. There should be periods during a game where he says to himself, "i'm not settling for the 3". There's other times when the defense gives him the 3. He should definitely take them whenever those opportunities are presented. I think he has all of these elements to his game, he's just still trying to figure out when and how best to use them. He will, it'll just take time.



    Well put! I'm not sure he needs to work on his game more. HE HAS THE GAME. He just needs to put it all together mentally.

    Listen Gallo is not Korver, even if he's only taking 3s. Gallo is a better shooter than 95% of players in the league, & that's even debatable. He might be even better; better even than some of bigger names that come to mind. His shot is pure. That part of his game is what will make the dribble-drive piece easier and more effective. So many people on these boards underrate him as a shooter. Combine that attribute w a potent drive game and you have the basis for which he can be assessed as a future all-star.



    You're being sarcastic right?? You have been watching Randolph this preseason right? Randolph hasn't shown anything to me thus far that would indicate he should start over Gallo, Chandler, or even Fields for that matter.
    Co-sign 100%. You're spot on about Gallo. If you watch the games and judge him objectively, and not tainted thru hate (d'ant-hate, euroball-hate, Lopez-envy, etc) you know he has all the skills to be a uniquely dominant all-star player. He's simply shown it. Plus intangibles on D and clutchness.

    Maybe he never quite puts it all together, but IMHO, t's a good bet to think he (soon?) will. Unless his demeanor, will, and iq, which on the surface seems solid enough, is a total facade.

    If he was a one trick pony like most NBA players (and that's not even a really bad thing), it'd be a lot easier to "put it all together". Let him find himself. He has, for the first time, teammates and a franchise who resemble a legit NBA squad and team.

    If he pooches throughout this year I can see the worry and hate justified.

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    For a moment after Gallo dropped 30 something on Mello... I gave him props for not backing down.

    But the buck stops there. One issue I notice with some is the lack of objectivity- cause he was drafted by us & we need someone to step up... but here it is...

    Have any of you learned the game? Not just put the ball in the hole, but actually know the game? Do you know how to play the game?

    If you did... you would know that having a jumper and knowing the game are 2 different things. When to drive, to pass, to D up, to defer, HOW TO GET YOUR SHOT, how to box out and use leverage, when to cross over and not to...

    These are fundamentals! This is what happens when you sell us a bill of goods. When you make us think Gallo has an ubber IQ.

    High IQ players know how to play the game. They understand the game. Spacing, decision making, shot selection.. are 2nd nature to those who know how to play the game. No need to teach this- rather refine and eliminate bad habbits from these types.

    Athleticism, strength, endurance, speed etc... these are natural things that Gallo lacks.

    A well rounded, fundamental knowledge is what Gallo lacks. He has 2 +'s... Size & a jumper!

    Better IQ players compensate for their shortcomings with thru hunger & drive. Some like Allen, Miller or Rip, create space thru constant motion.

    Some use size or speed to get to their spots. Some even make up for it by becoming defensive specialists. But in Gallo he is just limited.

    Logically, by now you would know if he could dominate, or adapt, or impact other phases of the game... with his Italian resume, he's been involved in "organized-coached" ball. But he hasn't.


    REALIZE THIS AND either don't expect much or stop making him out to be someone he never was. It shows conditioning, blind hope, and a lack of evaluating sk
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    Originally Posted by Red
    For a moment after Gallo dropped 30 something on Mello... I gave him props for not backing down.

    But the buck stops there. One issue I notice with some is the lack of objectivity- cause he was drafted by us & we need someone to step up... but here it is...

    Have any of you learned the game? Not just put the ball in the hole, but actually know the game? Do you know how to play the game?

    If you did... you would know that having a jumper and knowing the game are 2 different things. When to drive, to pass, to D up, to differ, HOW TO GET YOUR SHOT, how to box out and use leverage, when to cross over and not to...

    These are fundamentals! This is what happens when you sell us a bill of goods. When you make us think Gallo has an uber IQ.

    High IQ players know how to play the game. They understand the game. Spacing, decision making, shot selection.. are 2nd nature to those who know how to play the game. No need to teach this- rather refine and eliminate bad habbits from these types.

    Athleticism, strength, endurance, speed etc... these are natural things that Gallo lacks.

    A well rounded, fundamental knowledge is what Gallo lacks. He has 2 +'s... Size & a jumper!

    Better IQ players compensate for their shortcomings with thru hunger & drive. Some like Allen, Miller or Rip, create space thru constant motion.

    Some use size or speed to get to their spots. Some even make up for it by becoming defensive specialists. But in Gallo he is just limited.

    Logically, by now you would know if he could dominate, or adapt, or impact other phases of the game... with his Italian resume, he's been involved in "organized-coached" ball. But he hasn't.

    REALIZE THIS AND either don't expect much or stop making him out to be someone he never was. It shows conditioning, blind hope, and a lack of evaluating skills.

    Leave that up to those who KNOW the game... don't quit your day jobs.

    Gallo will never be the fastest, strongest or smartest player...
    You obviously don't get what it takes to be consistent 20ppg scorer in the NBA. If you did, you would understand Gallo has the foundation, between that jumpshot, his height, freethrow shooting and ability (when he wants to) to slash, to be that kind of consistent scorer.

    W all of that he doesn't have to be fast, just quick enough to get by defenders when they close hard on him or play em close.

    All of the above attributes are we hype the young man. Why he's projected by so many as a future all-star. Why the people like me who believe in what they know about the game can't ignore what they see in the Roosta,lol.

    You my friend, need to wake up and smell the bird feed..

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    ....you my friend are a homer... a tool.

    You can "believe" all you want. I have seen for my own eyes. NO Gallo isn't garbage (btw we've had this debate long before u got here, 100x's)...

    he's just not as good as expected or projected.

    And yes I have a good idea on what it takes to avg 20ppg.... I'm a coach! and have been one for a while. It takes someone to score 20ppg!

    But that's a problem in and of itself. You like Gallo are worried about PPG INSTEAD of "How to help the team win".

    But what I should really be pointing out is the fact that Wilson Chandler is a more efficient, well rounded player, with more potential, better than Gallo...

    and I don't see you or others sucking him....

    oh that's right... you "like" Gallo more... so he must be better. STFU.

    My point about being athletic or the fastest/strongest is that is a foundation where we can build. IQ is a good quality, where we can build. Height and a jumper are useless without a compliment of unselfish team mates, and are useless when you are not smart enough, or athletic enough to create separation. Learn the game.

    @ 6'11 your skill set in the NBA is partly predetermined. Jumpers aside... blocking, rebounding need to be priorities.

    if not... then you will be caused to play out of position and there's a ripple from that. Or Unless you think u can carry a team w your 20ppg...lol... go back to Italy w that sh@t!
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    It will be interesting to see what Gallo does against the Nets tonight. Virtually everyone is questioning his game. He should be motivated.

    I am simply an observer of the game and have no particular expertise. I was never an organized player -- too slow and too short. But that will not stop me from expressing opinions. Gallo disappoints me because I believe he is essentially lazy. I have noted in other posts what appears to have been a very unproductive offseason. But even during games he often appears disengaged. He seems close to but infrequently in the mix for retrieving loose balls or rebounds. Every once in awhile -- as in that match-up with Melo last year -- he is aggressively into the game. We need more of that from him.

    I saw in some fan comment to a piece in the Post the suggestion that "pretty boy Gallo put down the mirror and pick up the lunch pail." Good point.

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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    It will be interesting to see what Gallo does against the Nets tonight. Virtually everyone is questioning his game. He should be motivated.

    I am simply an observer of the game and have no particular expertise. I was never an organized player -- too slow and too short. But that will not stop me from expressing opinions. Gallo disappoints me because I believe he is essentially lazy. I have noted in other posts what appears to have been a very unproductive offseason. But even during games he often appears disengaged. He seems close to but infrequently in the mix for retrieving loose balls or rebounds. Every once in awhile -- as in that match-up with Melo last year -- he is aggressively into the game. We need more of that from him.

    I saw in some fan comment to a piece in the Post the suggestion that "pretty boy Gallo put down the mirror and pick up the lunch pail." Good point.
    even if Galo does good, he will be inconsistent...he needs to shoot good for a couple of weeks straight to prove everyone that he is not a one and done player

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    gallo is a turkoglu at best... a 6'10 small forward that chucks up 3's and all you can do is hope he gets hot... if he's hot great... if not... not so great... nothing so much wrong with that but being a turkoglu isn't going to take the knicks where we need to be like a melo will. when we drafted gallo over gordon... his big selling point was his drive to the basket off the full court break. it's pretty obvious now that shot is not available to him in the nba... he isn't quick enough fast enough or strong enough all he has is the 3 and when they aren't falling.. he and the knicks are screwed. i still say start chandler or gallo but not both.. we need scoring of some kind off the bench... right now i say start chandler.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    ....you my friend are a homer... a tool.

    You can "believe" all you want. I have seen for my own eyes. NO Gallo isn't garbage (btw we've had this debate long before u got here, 100x's)...

    he's just not as good as expected or projected.

    And yes I have a good idea on what it takes to avg 20ppg.... I'm a coach! and have been one for a while. It takes someone to score 20ppg!

    But that's a problem in and of itself. You like Gallo are worried about PPG INSTEAD of "How to help the team win".

    But what I should really be pointing out is the fact that Wilson Chandler is a more efficient, well rounded player, with more potential, better than Gallo...

    and I don't see you or others sucking him....

    oh that's right... you "like" Gallo more... so he must be better. STFU.

    My point about being athletic or the fastest/strongest is that is a foundation where we can build. IQ is a good quality, where we can build. Height and a jumper are useless without a compliment of unselfish team mates, and are useless when you are not smart enough, or athletic enough to create separation. Learn the game.

    @ 6'11 your skill set in the NBA is partly predetermined. Jumpers aside... blocking, rebounding need to be priorities.

    if not... then you will be caused to play out of position and there's a ripple from that. Or Unless you think u can carry a team w your 20ppg...lol... go back to Italy w that sh@t!

    Well put. (no offense Romo)

    I've never had the priviledge to coach but I know the game of basketball (check posts and threads). Anyway I agree with your assessment and can't believe how many people root so hard for Gallo when Chandler has generated the same production while being more versatile. Gallo's jumpshot should be a complimentary weapon. Right now, he's just a taller version of Eddie House.

    I really like Gallo but he pisses me off by not using his talents (developed and God given) to his advantage. When I played ball, my coach constantly urged me to take mid-range jumpers and drive to the basket. Mostly because the percentages were higher than launching 3s and it forced the defense to have to work. So many times my jumpshot was shaky but if I was able to shoot some FTs it helped my shooting touch. I understood spacing and how the defender wanted to guard me after a few plays so that let me know how I would attack when ready.

    Anyway, my point is that if a lowly community basketball league coach can understand and relay great tools like that to me then why on earth can't a multi-millionare NBA coach do the same for a professional?

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    Originally Posted by Red
    For a moment after Gallo dropped 30 something on Mello... I gave him props for not backing down.

    But the buck stops there. One issue I notice with some is the lack of objectivity- cause he was drafted by us & we need someone to step up... but here it is...

    Have any of you learned the game? Not just put the ball in the hole, but actually know the game? Do you know how to play the game?

    If you did... you would know that having a jumper and knowing the game are 2 different things. When to drive, to pass, to D up, to defer, HOW TO GET YOUR SHOT, how to box out and use leverage, when to cross over and not to...

    These are fundamentals! This is what happens when you sell us a bill of goods. When you make us think Gallo has an ubber IQ.

    High IQ players know how to play the game. They understand the game. Spacing, decision making, shot selection.. are 2nd nature to those who know how to play the game. No need to teach this- rather refine and eliminate bad habbits from these types.

    Athleticism, strength, endurance, speed etc... these are natural things that Gallo lacks.

    A well rounded, fundamental knowledge is what Gallo lacks. He has 2 +'s... Size & a jumper!

    Better IQ players compensate for their shortcomings with thru hunger & drive. Some like Allen, Miller or Rip, create space thru constant motion.

    Some use size or speed to get to their spots. Some even make up for it by becoming defensive specialists. But in Gallo he is just limited.

    Logically, by now you would know if he could dominate, or adapt, or impact other phases of the game... with his Italian resume, he's been involved in "organized-coached" ball. But he hasn't.


    REALIZE THIS AND either don't expect much or stop making him out to be someone he never was. It shows conditioning, blind hope, and a lack of evaluating sk
    Listen...you make some valid points about the game in general but that is all you are doing....you are speaking in generalities. Nothing you said is a revelation nor did you prove that Gallo isn't capable of being the player we all hope he can be. I agree, as of this moment he is not THAT player. That said, you forget some fundamental truths:

    Gallo is young and his experience is even more limited because of the back injury during his rookie year. SO we are really lookig at Gallo with 1.2 years of experience.

    If you judged David Lee at this same point in his career you would conclude he was trash or limited too. Fast forward two years and the guy is a consistent double double rebounding, passing machine. That is not to say he is the cream of the crop but he made huge strides each and every year including a consistent midrange jumper just last year.

    Gallo is a hard worker and has size...two things you either have or don't. The mechanics of his jumper are sound and he at times shows a killer instinct that is rare for a young player. These attributes over time should (notice I did not say will) make him a very solid player capable of being a second or third option on a contender.

    When Gallo puts the ball on the court and slashes he has seen success. His jumper is there and his 3point shot will only get better as he matures. He will benefit tremendously from the doubles Amare will inevitably draw. The guy has the potential to be really solid and I'm not sure why everyone is hating or asserting that he has peaked.

    P.S. I was reading on TKB.com that Gallo has felt rushed in preseason because he is eager to impress but knows his touches and playing time will be limited in preseason games. Once the guy settles down into the regular season with a regular rotation he SHOULD show some nice consistency. I predict this will be a breakout year and he will either be traded or become a Knicks fan favorite.

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    I'm not sure you're talking about a 22 years old guy, with only one real year of experience in nba who is having some problem in the pre-season with a team completely new.

    How can you compare Gallo to Eddie House (32) or Turkoglu (31) ?????
    What Eddie House and Turkoglu has done when they were 22 ?

    Please, be serious, give Gallo the possibility to show his value also even if you didn't agree with the 1st choice of an unknown italian guy.

    If you're knicks fan you have to support not to kill him

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    Ok Trill.. I see you're still holding out hope and I commend you for that. You did the same for your boy Lee... and then Amare showed up and you know you put the "Beast" label on him quick.

    I want to make sure you guys know what I'm saying. Gallo like Lee ISN'T garbage. But based on his projection i.e. a very BB IQ, handle etc.... he's a disappointment.

    Lee wasn't drafted 8th overall above two more skilled players. Lee's god father isn't the coach. And Lee learned to do what a big man does... except play defense.

    And wasn't that the point? We had trouble playing defense, you & others claimed it was on the players... and looking at the stats Lee was ome of the worse. So that means we who said Lee's shortcomings make him expendable.... were right, right? Not garbage, just not what WE needed.

    Gallo was supposed to be a leader, a "Point Fwd", with high IQ. So why is he so flawed fundamentally. Why can't he dribble and shoot with consistency?

    You know we've listed STUPID amounts of excuses for him... but the proof is in the pudding. He could help and impact IN Many Ways.... do the stats reflect this... NO.

    He's not garbage, just not exactly what WE need and that makes him expendable. He's definately NOT a corner stone.

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