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    Default This 9 Man Rotation can be a threat, and alot of people don't know it.

    First of all, D'Antoni has done a good job so far. We lost two close games, and looked great in all our victories. D'Antoni has a roster with 5 new players in Fields, Turiaf, Randolph, Felton, Mozgov. and Kelenna, Rautins, Mason who haven't really been part of the rotation. Its impressive me to get these guys gelling early.

    Lets assess this 9 man rotation and present a theory on why they will be a threat.

    Felton
    Passing - B
    Pick and Roll - B+
    Speed and Agility - B+
    Defense B
    Scoring - B-
    Quite possilby

    He's not Chris Paul or D-Will, but he goes in. Excellent all around PG.

    Fields

    Athelicism - B+
    Inside/Outside Ability - B
    Defense - B
    Jumpshot - B

    Only knock on Fields is his lateral quickness. But to assess, he's another overall offense/defense guy and meshes well with Ray Ray.

    Gallinari
    Shooting A
    Defense C
    Rebounding D
    IQ/Awareness - B+
    Inside Game - F

    Gallo to me is just Peja with more defense and potential. He is what he is.

    Stoudimire
    Inside scoring A+
    Pick and Roll C
    Defense - B-
    Rebounding - B
    Value - A+

    He's our franchise player...needs to work on his pick and roll play with Felton

    Turiaf

    Energy, Defense, Shotblocking, Rebounding, Intangibles

    Mozgov

    I don't know.

    Chandler

    You guys know I been a hater, but he's been our best all around player, I can't front. I feel like if he keeps playing like this we should use him as trade bait to get a superstar.

    Walker, love him.

    Douglas, I'm in love. seriously. Offensively, Defensively; he's been Jon Starks like.

    Randolph could be our best overall player once he starts getting minutes.

    This team is DEEP, strong and work well together. Everyone on this team can do something defensive and offensively.

    We're no longer one dimensional.

    Celebration bitches!

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    Nice post Metro.

    The only things that I dis-agre a little on are 1 I don't think Gallo is that bad of a rebounder (D) , but I can also see your point cause he is like 6'10" , and I also dis-agree a little on his inside game, even thou he hasn't been posting up guy's he has been going to the hole more, hasn't been finishing, but has been getting fouled and that's just as good if not better IMO.

    And 2 ..... I'm finding it kind of hard to jump on the Anthony Randolf ban wagon, he play's like an out of control 5th grade B-Ball player with no basketball IQ at all. If he can't shoot (witch he can't) he should be smart enough to use his one only strength and drive the ball using his great speed and ball handling abilitly's by much slower big men and get to the rim. I also think he is only getting playing time because Walsh and Mike are going to try and up his trade value, witch hasn't worked out so well...... yet.

    Think your dead nuts on everything else thou

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    All Randolph needs is experience. The talent is there.

    I really want to see Gallo drive more and be like Hedo rather than Peja. It'll create more movement with the ball.

    But so far we look great.

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    Wha up Metro...... the Knicks "need" this 9+Man rotation for the next two
    months to build chemistry and comunication amongst the players.
    We are suppose to be running a two-unit team right now vs every Knick oponent.
    A 2-unit team
    Felton & Walker vs Douglas & Fields (Guard Tandem)
    Amare & Chandler vs Gallo & Randolph (Foward Tandem)
    Turiaf vs Mozgov (Center)
    Mason & Curry suppose to be apart of the 1st-unit
    Rottens & S.Williams belongs on the 2nd unit
    This is considered the basics to feel-out each players team performance.
    In the 4th quarter we suppose to play our best 7-man rotation which seem to be:
    Turiaf
    Amare
    Chandler
    Gallo
    Fields
    Douglas
    Felton or Walker
    the above 7+ players are our 4th qtr. Closers

    Coach Dantoni favoritism coaching of "Felton/Amare/and Gallo" trio
    lineup does not perform well together on both sides of the court. The three
    players look lost on the court together, this trio of players shouldve worked
    out together this past summer to build a relationship on the court.
    The relationship of Douglas, Fields, Walker, and Chandler on the court are
    more efficient and aware of each others skills from their steady working out
    together all summer at the Knicks practice facility.

    Are we making good use of every player on our roster in our practice session???
    It does'nt look like it

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    All Randolph needs is experience. The talent is there.

    I really want to see Gallo drive more and be like Hedo rather than Peja. It'll create more movement with the ball.

    But so far we look great.
    Agreed! I think even inserting him into the starting 5 would jolt his confidence and the rest of his game will follow.

    I think when he is out there he is trying to prove his worth and tries too hard, if he knows that his coach has confidence in him and is not going to pull him upon his first mistake he will come into his own.

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    I am starting to cool off on Randolph. He has been awfully bad and hard to watch. His shots are totally off target and his confidence is down the ground. I hope he gets it going but it will take a miracle at this point.

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    Whats good Metro? Breh, we've come a long ways from the Isiah days. We gonna be eatin good this year

    The potential this team has, once we get more chemistry and consistency teams will get pissed and sh*tted on

    The way we played against the Wizards and Bulls was beautiful....I loved what I saw. I realize the Bulls had an off game but we didnt and we took advantage of them. And by saying the Bulls had an off game, im not trying to discredit our defense...it was defenitely there and played a part in the Bulls being off.

    I think we're gonna take another step up when Azuibuke comes back...he can shoot, slash and defend...he can also play the 2 or 3. That just gives us more versatility if anyones struggling...Randolph is bound to start playing better at some point too.

    I have a man crush on Ronny Turiaf (no homo) this guy was terrible during the preseason but once the season began hes been the best center and shot blocker that we've had in years

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    Originally Posted by th3realicon
    I am starting to cool off on Randolph. He has been awfully bad and hard to watch. His shots are totally off target and his confidence is down the ground. I hope he gets it going but it will take a miracle at this point.
    You're right about his confidence being in the gutter but I think you're wrong about the miracle part. He'll put it together after a while.

    It just takes time really, the guy came from a team where he got yanked around the rotation up and down like a yo-yo. Of course he's going to feel down when the trade was hyped so badly that he was going to be beasting in New York. I think most of us with a sense of realism knew he was going to come in as a 10mpg guy until he started to get some consistent game.

    Either he will start to perform or we can just trade him in a package for someone better, either way would be nice for us.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    First of all, D'Antoni has done a good job so far. We lost two close games, and looked great in all our victories. D'Antoni has a roster with 5 new players in Fields, Turiaf, Randolph, Felton, Mozgov. and Kelenna, Rautins, Mason who haven't really been part of the rotation. Its impressive me to get these guys gelling early.

    Lets assess this 9 man rotation and present a theory on why they will be a threat.

    Felton
    Passing - B
    Pick and Roll - B+
    Speed and Agility - B+
    Defense B
    Scoring - B-
    Quite possilby

    He's not Chris Paul or D-Will, but he goes in. Excellent all around PG.

    Fields

    Athelicism - B+
    Inside/Outside Ability - B
    Defense - B
    Jumpshot - B

    Only knock on Fields is his lateral quickness. But to assess, he's another overall offense/defense guy and meshes well with Ray Ray.

    Gallinari
    Shooting A
    Defense C
    Rebounding D
    IQ/Awareness - B+
    Inside Game - F

    Gallo to me is just Peja with more defense and potential. He is what he is.

    Stoudimire
    Inside scoring A+
    Pick and Roll C
    Defense - B-
    Rebounding - B
    Value - A+

    He's our franchise player...needs to work on his pick and roll play with Felton

    Turiaf

    Energy, Defense, Shotblocking, Rebounding, Intangibles

    Mozgov

    I don't know.

    Chandler

    You guys know I been a hater, but he's been our best all around player, I can't front. I feel like if he keeps playing like this we should use him as trade bait to get a superstar.

    Walker, love him.

    Douglas, I'm in love. seriously. Offensively, Defensively; he's been Jon Starks like.

    Randolph could be our best overall player once he starts getting minutes.

    This team is DEEP, strong and work well together. Everyone on this team can do something defensive and offensively.

    We're no longer one dimensional.

    Celebration bitches!
    Bolded and underlined part that really made me scratch my head and wonder... what you were thinking saying something like that. He really needs to get some understanding of the game. He does not have a great B-ball IQ

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    The Marbury debates/wars will never end lol.

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    It doesn't help that Marbury was part of an era that's basically like the Knicks' Dark Ages. Isiah's meddling didn't help and he made the dumbass move of seeing if Marbury and Steve Francis could work well together (and he was wrong).

    Chemistry-wise I'm not sure but there's no doubt that Marbury certainly was a talented player. Problem is the team could never put it together and I won't lie I don't think Marbury's feuding really helped (although considering Larry Brown's personality and Isiah being Isiah you wonder if one can really blame him).

    All in all he had some solid years with us but frankly those years were the worst years ever to be a Knicks fan so it's hard to like the guy for me. All in all I do think the Knicks handled the buyout badly...last I recall he showed up to training camp in D'Antoni's first year ready to play and in shape. For some dumbass reason D'Antoni gave the starting job to Duhon...but whatever.

    In any case now I think Randolph needs to grow up and mature a bit but for ****'s sake he's 21 years old and it takes many players 4 or 5 years to even be relevant in the league. Hell look at Steve Nash he came into the league at 22 years old and it still took him until his 5th year in the league to become anything close to being relevant. That means he was six years older than Randolph when he became a decent player and frankly it wasn't until his 30's that he started becoming a legit superstar and the best floor general in the league.

    Players take time to develop. Randolph is no exception, he'll need time before he becomes better. And if we don't trade him, we need to play him for him to get better. I understand that you don't want to mess with the winning streak, but does Randolph really deserve minutes over Mozgov?

    With regards to Gallo I think he'll really have an amazing season next year when he breaks out and really puts it all together. Last year we saw him as a one-trick pony who didn't do much more than shoot the open 3's until late in the year when he started having better games, especially that one where he matched up against Carmelo very well. This year we've seen him drive to the basket a lot more, drawing fouls and having much more confidence in his body and being willing to take a beating inside. He's also shown HUGE improvement on the defensive end, making good plays and all in all fitting much better into our team. Remember for all intents and purposes this is Gallo's second year...a second year forward adapting to the NBA game putting up 16 PPG is a pretty GOOD thing...

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    D'antoni knew from the get that Marbury was not a pass first PG. That is why he never had a chance at running our offense.

    Coach could not tolerate him. As bad as Duhon was he's was still a pass first guard.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    D'antoni knew from the get that Marbury was not a pass first PG. That is why he never had a chance at running our offense.

    Coach could not tolerate him. As bad as Duhon was he's was still a pass first guard.
    Marbury never having a chance under D'Antoni was all politics.

    Marbury is 20th all time in the NBA in assist and has a career averaging of 8 assist a game.
    Passing wasn't a weakness for Marbury. Lets not kid ourselves here.

    He was no J-Kidd or Stockson, but Marbury is no slouch.
    He did carry a depleted Knicks roster into the playoffs averaging 22 and 9.
    I can't see Felton or Duhon EVER doing that, so lets just stop this madness.

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    When Marbury did play with good players he failed.. He was running the floor in Eam USAs worst showing in international play in its history

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