This 9 Man Rotation can be a threat, and alot of people don't know it.

iSaYughh

Starter
Gallo sealed off our win over DEN with the beautiful foul that he drew. He did the exact same thing successfully last year, too.

He is ok at blocks/stls.

He draws fouls real well all-around. On offense and defense. Which shows he his game and has a quality bball IQ. Which, when we look at him as a flawed player needing to be able to mature his game, bodes well.

He can get to the line tremendously well and his driving game is elite. So if you're talking about his offense, that must be included, as well as his elite ft%'s.

His stats are very similar to what they were last year. But he had an absolutely wretched start to the season, and has heated up since over a pretty good margin of games now, and his numbers have risen.

I will bet that by the end of the season his numbers are better. (Despite while being on a team with additional dominant scorers and shooters (Amare and Felton), and an emerged trust and health in Chandler as a scorer.)

Last year Gallo was a 1dimensional, 1trick pony player who just had a good shot.

Now he is the worst shooter on the team. Yet his numbers are consistent despite his start, and his impact on games has never been greater.

Something isn't consistent. He's a very young player and talent; yet we called him out hard and early and were pessimistic bc he was just a 1trick pony type who couldn't evolve into more, so why waste our time acting like he has all-star skills and skill-set. When he just is a good shooter and who can catch n shoot.

Yet, ironically by his terrible start and just-decent shooting so far this year, he has proven unequivocally that that pidgeon holing of him absolutely incorrect. And that by either miscalculation, incomplete assessment of his game, and/or some player hate, he hasn't been accurately looked upon.

The same people by and large, are making the same arguments, with the same level of conviction this year against him.

It's like Gallo won't be fully trusted and accepted until he gets an all-star selection before the age of 24, averages 20+ ppg and has better peripheral stats to Chandler in every category, all while taking just the right number of 3's in every game that seem to us that he should be taking.

(Much like Mike D'ant won't get full cred for his game system and philosophy until we beat LA with a healthy Bynum starting and hold them to <100pt)
 

iSaYughh

Starter
I'm calling it now because I just don't see it with him. Statistics and daily observations all point to Gallo just being another guy. I have made the argument that he is regressing this season. How is this team going to win when our three point specialist is streaky at best. If Gallo was an elite shooter that needed to develop skills than hes worth waiting on but thats not the case. Show me one statistic that Gallo leads in. Show me the superior +/- or PER rating that suggests otherwise. I am not making this stuff up, again I call it like I see it and when I turn out to be right I expect my rep points!

He isn't a 3pt specialist, man! This is where you and many got, and have got him wrong. I can't speak to why he took that role for much of last year, and he now has this rep for it (partially bc it was a surprise, partially bc he was good at it and had streaks of being devestatingly good at catch n shooting the 3).

But his game has never been defined by that till then.

And it certainly isn't defined as him being a "3pt specialist" now.

If he was...if he was...I would then basically agree with 100% of everything you and others say, and ever have said, about Gallo.
 

knickzrulezH20

Sexy Stud
Gallo sealed off our win over DEN with the beautiful foul that he drew. He did the exact same thing successfully last year, too.

He is ok at blocks/stls.

He draws fouls real well all-around. On offense and defense. Which shows he his game and has a quality bball IQ. Which, when we look at him as a flawed player needing to be able to mature his game, bodes well.

He can get to the line tremendously well and his driving game is elite. So if you're talking about his offense, that must be included, as well as his elite ft%'s.

His stats are very similar to what they were last year. But he had an absolutely wretched start to the season, and has heated up since over a pretty good margin of games now, and his numbers have risen.

I will bet that by the end of the season his numbers are better. (Despite while being on a team with additional dominant scorers and shooters (Amare and Felton), and an emerged trust and health in Chandler as a scorer.)

Last year Gallo was a 1dimensional, 1trick pony player who just had a good shot.

Now he is the worst shooter on the team. Yet his numbers are consistent despite his start, and his impact on games has never been greater.

Something isn't consistent. He's a very young player and talent; yet we called him out hard and early and were pessimistic bc he was just a 1trick pony type who couldn't evolve into more, so why waste our time acting like he has all-star skills and skill-set. When he just is a good shooter and who can catch n shoot.

Yet, ironically by his terrible start and just-decent shooting so far this year, he has proven unequivocally that that pidgeon holing of him absolutely incorrect. And that by either miscalculation, incomplete assessment of his game, and/or some player hate, he hasn't been accurately looked upon.

The same people by and large, are making the same arguments, with the same level of conviction this year against him.

It's like Gallo won't be fully trusted and accepted until he gets an all-star selection before the age of 24, averages 20+ ppg and has better peripheral stats to Chandler in every category, all while taking just the right number of 3's in every game that seem to us that he should be taking.

(Much like Mike D'ant won't get full cred for his game system and philosophy until we beat LA with a healthy Bynum starting and hold them to <100pt)


Agreed 100%
 

metrocard

Legend
I'm telling it like I see it dude. If you want to prove me wrong back it up, there is no BS in that post. "Randolph our best overall player" if anything I was being nice by keeping my mouth shut. But too many people on here kiss your ass and don't call you out on garbage predictions like this one. Its amazing how seemingly your always "right," perhaps its because you on one thread you say I support mike D'Antoni and the next week you say we need to fire him. You were wrong about Chandler, wrong about Marbury and now your wrong about Gallo. But wow, you don't even give me a stat or an observation to contradict my post. Check Mate Loserbury

Well, people here kiss my ass for a reason and they don't kiss yours because of the post you be leaving on here, ever think about that?

I was wrong about Chandler, yea he proved me wrong. I'm happy about that. Thanks for keeping notes on what I'm saying. Unfortunately for you I don't remember a damn thing you stated on this forum because you never said anything original, worth reading or interesting. Sorry.

Wrong about Marbury? I don't know what you're talking about. Marbury is the man, and everyone knows this. He's moved on from the NBA and now is living free and has taken his talents to China to blessed the next world power. Marbury has a vision and he sees basketball's future is in China...I'm telling you dude, Marbury has started a movement.

Wrong about Gallo?
Gallo is like one of the most important players on this roster and has the best +/- on the team. He has high IQ, toughness, and alot of talent. I was the first on this forum to hype up Gallo and I'll be the last for good reason. Your stupid ass jumped the gun and thought Gallo was a bust because he shot poorly in his first 10 games of the NBA season. Sadly for you, you forgot theres about 70 games left season that time.

You wanted stats? Well, I don't really have as much time as I like to sit down and educate dumbasses like you. :lol: Go do your research, your nobody on this site for me to worry about.

Stop trying so hard to draw interest.

I'm glad to see Wilson getting some respect on here, dude is our third best player behind two legitimate All-Stars in Ray and STAT.

What I don;t get is the support for Gallo and Randolph. Gallo is averaging the same numbers this year as he did last year except his shooting has gotten worse not better, so I don;t get where you got the "A" for shooting. Fields, Amare, Felton and Wilson all have higher shooting percentages, he is the worst shooter in our starting lineup. The argument can be made that he has the potential to be a good shooter, but i am not buying that argument when he is regressing. Most of his shots are wide open threes, where as Felton for example is shooting floaters in traffic and pull up jumpers off the dribble. Gallo also isn't fooling anybody with his defense. He has shown the occasional nice block here and there but don't be fooled, he is soft which is why he can't play the 4 like Chandler. So I am going to be absolutely clear, Gallo has not shown me he has what it takes now, nor do i see the potential for him to be good enough in the future. He will serve us better as a trade chip then a player.

Anthony Randolph is garbage, he has had 21 years to learn how to play ball. Right now he is literally the dumbest player on the team save for maybe Curry. What makes you or anyone else think hes going to grow a basketball I.Q. over the next few seasons? I put his chance of being a serious rotation player at 10% -15% tops. If the Knicks are smart they will hold onto him for a little while until the right offer comes along, otherwise just cash him in for a pick. His stock is not going to go higher I can tell you that.

Gallo's shooting never got work.
Even great shooters has bad streaks.
Gallo is still one of the best shooters in the NBA.
Gallo is not soft, you don't watch Knicks basketball.

Anthony Randolph in fact isn't garbage, that is just a hateful and thoughtless statement.

He has 21 years to learn basketball? So did you. Look at you sitting on your fat nasty ass butt naked talking shit about professional athletes on a forum. I'm pretty sure in 21 years Randolph is more accomplished than you for you to be calling him garbage.

You grow IQ and develop skill with experience.
If Randolph doesn't get playing time, he will not develop. Its that simple.
People who know about Randolph know he can ball on both ends of the court and dominate the boards.
Truthfully, Anthony Randolph is our best rebounder.

You just sound hateful.
I hate haters.
 

wuchich14

Rookie
i definately still love gallo but randolph is terrible.. i wish everyone would stop talking about his potential and just realise hes not good and probably never will be.. too say that he could eventually be the best overall player on this team is ludacris
 

BleedOrange&Blue

Benchwarmer
Well, people here kiss my ass for a reason and they don't kiss yours because of the post you be leaving on here, ever think about that?

I was wrong about Chandler, yea he proved me wrong. I'm happy about that. Thanks for keeping notes on what I'm saying. Unfortunately for you I don't remember a damn thing you stated on this forum because you never said anything original, worth reading or interesting. Sorry.

Wrong about Marbury? I don't know what you're talking about. Marbury is the man, and everyone knows this. He's moved on from the NBA and now is living free and has taken his talents to China to blessed the next world power. Marbury has a vision and he sees basketball's future is in China...I'm telling you dude, Marbury has started a movement.

Wrong about Gallo?
Gallo is like one of the most important players on this roster and has the best +/- on the team. He has high IQ, toughness, and alot of talent. I was the first on this forum to hype up Gallo and I'll be the last for good reason. Your stupid ass jumped the gun and thought Gallo was a bust because he shot poorly in his first 10 games of the NBA season. Sadly for you, you forgot theres about 70 games left season that time.

You wanted stats? Well, I don't really have as much time as I like to sit down and educate dumbasses like you. :lol: Go do your research, your nobody on this site for me to worry about.

Stop trying so hard to draw interest.



Gallo's shooting never got work.
Even great shooters has bad streaks.
Gallo is still one of the best shooters in the NBA.
Gallo is not soft, you don't watch Knicks basketball.

Anthony Randolph in fact isn't garbage, that is just a hateful and thoughtless statement.

He has 21 years to learn basketball? So did you. Look at you sitting on your fat nasty ass butt naked talking shit about professional athletes on a forum. I'm pretty sure in 21 years Randolph is more accomplished than you for you to be calling him garbage.

You grow IQ and develop skill with experience.
If Randolph doesn't get playing time, he will not develop. Its that simple.
People who know about Randolph know he can ball on both ends of the court and dominate the boards.
Truthfully, Anthony Randolph is our best rebounder.

You just sound hateful.
I hate haters.

Yawn... same talking points.
 

metrocard

Legend
As expected, nada.

Wheres the GetRealstic of these boards? You just a hater/admire. Keep focusing on me from the distance.

as for Anthony RANDOLPH.

Per 36 minutes

He's an 18 and 10 player with 2 blocks. His weakness is shot selection and his strength.


Shot selection can easily be fixed.
His strength, Randolph can develop Teyshaun Prince type strength, not dominant strength, but enough strength to hold you down in the post defense.

Add 18 and 10 with 2 blocks to this lineup and you got a team thats better than a 16-9 squad.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Metro,

You're right on w regards to Gallo and have been spot on from the start, as evidenced by "The Big Cock" thread, but I just have to part ways ideologically w u when it comes to your assessments of AR. It's mind boggling to me how you can be so spot on sometimes and at others so far off (Marbury a visionary seriously?? i can't even go there w ya) the mark.

AR is simply NOT fundamentally sound dude. Basically every thing that you've noted about Gallo, that makes him good and forms his solid base skill-set -- his offensive/defensive IQ, fundamentals, passing, shooting, ability to get in the paint and draw fouls, toughness etc-- are areas that AR is lacking in. Yes he's athletic. But there have been many great athletes who couldn't hack it in the LEAGUE. This is the case because they can't think the game. AR has no idea what he's doing in an NBA level offense. As I've said many times he's just a freelance player. He wants to get up his shots. When he tries to play within the offense he causes unnecessary turnovers.

Defensively he's horrible too. He simply cannot defend one on one. I've never seen a player get dumb fouls drawn on him so consistently. It's like he's compulsive when it comes to shooting, to's and fouls, ridiculous.

No coach that's serious about getting W's is going to leave a player like AR in the game for long. Just too many mistakes. He needs to go to the D-League honestly. Prolly the only thing that keeps the teams he's been on from sending him is the fact that there's this perception out there that he's got all of this potential, which makes him a somewhat valuable trade piece. Teams are willing to take a chance on his potential. If he was sent to the D-League then maybe that would sully things a bit, decrease his value. You also don't want to play him either cause that sullies things too, in the win column and in the front offices of execs watching him. So you have a player that is basically taking up a roster spot that you can't play and you can't develop cause you want to use him in a deal. Disgraceful.. He needs to be on a rebuilding team.

AR is not a player that should be taken seriously at this point.
 

metrocard

Legend
Metro,

You're right on w regards to Gallo and have been spot on from the start, as evidenced by "The Big Cock" thread, but I just have to part ways ideologically w u when it comes to your assessments of AR. It's mind boggling to me how you can be so spot on sometimes and at others so far off (Marbury a visionary seriously?? i can't even go there w ya) the mark.

AR is simply NOT fundamentally sound dude. Basically every thing that you've noted about Gallo, that makes him good and forms his solid base skill-set -- his offensive/defensive IQ, fundamentals, passing, shooting, ability to get in the paint and draw fouls, toughness etc-- are areas that AR is lacking in. Yes he's athletic. But there have been many great athletes who couldn't hack it in the LEAGUE. This is the case because they can't think the game. AR has no idea what he's doing in an NBA level offense. As I've said many times he's just a freelance player. He wants to get up his shots. When he tries to play within the offense he causes unnecessary turnovers.

Defensively he's horrible too. He simply cannot defend one on one. I've never seen a player get dumb fouls drawn on him so consistently. It's like he's compulsive when it comes to shooting, to's and fouls, ridiculous.

No coach that's serious about getting W's is going to leave a player like AR in the game for long. Just too many mistakes. He needs to go to the D-League honestly. Prolly the only thing that keeps the teams he's been on from sending him is the fact that there's this perception out there that he's got all of this potential, which makes him a somewhat valuable trade piece. Teams are willing to take a chance on his potential. If he was sent to the D-League then maybe that would sully things a bit, decrease his value. You also don't want to play him either cause that sullies things too, in the win column and in the front offices of execs watching him. So you have a player that is basically taking up a roster spot that you can't play and you can't develop cause you want to use him in a deal. Disgraceful.. He needs to be on a rebuilding team.

AR is not a player that should be taken seriously at this point.

Your opinion on Marbury isn't fact. Its just a gather of all the information that has been fed to you by the media and you ate it all up. It bothers you because your afraid to go against the hand that feeds you. Its not your fault though and you're not the only one.

Let me ask you something.

How much have you watched Randolph play?
as a Knick.

Once you answer that, then we can continue this discussion.
Because I can't take anyone seriously when they're trying to assess a basketball athlete under 20 games at MOST. Its just not a fair assessment nor an accurate one. Randolph has a good game or two, you will begin to feel a little idiotic for jumping to such an unclear conclusion. I just think its best to save yourself and avoid doing such things and wait until Randolph actually plays 20+ minutes for atleast 20-30 games before you jump to conclusion.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
I'm calling it now because I just don't see it with him. Statistics and daily observations all point to Gallo just being another guy. I have made the argument that he is regressing this season. How is this team going to win when our three point specialist is streaky at best. If Gallo was an elite shooter that needed to develop skills than hes worth waiting on but thats not the case. Show me one statistic that Gallo leads in. Show me the superior +/- or PER rating that suggests otherwise. I am not making this stuff up, again I call it like I see it and when I turn out to be right I expect my rep points!

Dude, Gallo has a vast array of talents that will eventually be brought to bare at will in the NBA. Right now he simply does not have that mental comfort level that Chandler has.

Watch them both out on the court and you'll see what I'm talking about. Chandler due to the court time he's had, which exceeds Gallo's, is simply more comfortable and thus better able to just play, w out thinking.

Gallo on the other hand is still thinking out there. He's been set back by the back injury. No doubt about it. He feels alot better as evidenced by his willingness to get in the paint and draw fouls. He also looks much more mobile/agile, which tells me that he's close to, if not 100% physically.

The reason people like myself are on Gallo to be a all-star type talent is because he has the array of skills in in all important areas at his height to be able to do it. He can create his own shot. He can shoot, I mean really shoot, w range. He can also facilitate for others. AND..... defensively and offensively he has real good savvy. He has what you need to be THAT kind of player.

Right now he's still trying to get a feel.. IT'S STILL TO EARLY TO WRITE HIM OFF.. If Metro hasn't written off AR in all of his wackness then you can surely give Gallo a bit more time. He will continue to grow as Bargnani has..

Bargnani is nasty now dude. It took him 5 seasons to the point he's at now tho.

Gallo can do it too, trust.

Gallo is growing every game. One moment I really liked against Denver was when Gallo, from the 3pt line, drew Sheldon Williams whom he promptly crossed over, got to the hoop and drew a foul. The cross over he weilded was on some Jamal Crawford type ish. You just don't see that ability to create from 6'10'' dude often. At the top of the key was Billups who as Gallo broke Williams off at the ankles had this look on face that just said "No he didn't just cross up Sheldon like that.." Gallo is bad bro, and he will get better. It will just take time. In the meantime enjoy the ride Bleedblue.:thumbsup:
 
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ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Your opinion on Marbury isn't fact. Its just a gather of all the information that has been fed to you by the media and you ate it all up. It bothers you because your afraid to go against the hand that feeds you. Its not your fault though and you're not the only one.

Let me ask you something.

How much have you watched Randolph play?
as a Knick.

Once you answer that, then we can continue this discussion.
Because I can't take anyone seriously when they're trying to assess a basketball athlete under 20 games at MOST. Its just not a fair assessment nor an accurate one. Randolph has a good game or two, you will begin to feel a little idiotic for jumping to such an unclear conclusion. I just think its best to save yourself and avoid doing such things and wait until Randolph actually plays 20+ minutes for atleast 20-30 games before you jump to conclusion.

I've watched the man play a handful of times when he was on Golden State Metro. How could I have watched him as a Knick that much when he's barely gotten any burn.. Dumb question. He's everything I've stated since the summer before he'd even gotten his feet wet as a Knick. I don't make an assessment of a player unless I've actually watched them a bit dude. Would make sense? It doesn't take a long for me either. I can get a really good sense of where a player is, what he can and can't do pretty quickly. Metro I'm telling you, you couldn't be more wrong about AR. He's bumalicious, lol.

And.... On Marbury. My opinion of him his not based on what the media has sold.. I'll tell u what I think of what he brought to the court.

As a player, just as player, I think there was always something missing from him as a PG. He lacks that ability to do what all great distributing PG's do-- instill that sense of confidence in the other four guys on the court that he will continue to go to them even if they miss or make a mistake. Magic had that psychological piece, Stockton had it, Paul does definitely. Felton even does. Marbury didn't. Point blank. Marbury should have been like Iverson. He should have just played at the 2 as scoring tweener. HE WAS NOT A POINT GUARD to me.

His other antics speak for themselves ,if you're looking at his behavior objectively. Not really gonna touch that stuff.
 
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iSaYughh

Starter
Dude, Gallo has a vast array of talents that will eventually be brought to bare at will in the NBA. Right now he simply does not have that mental comfort level that Chandler has.

Watch them both out on the court and you'll see what I'm talking about. Chandler due to the court time he's had, which exceeds Gallo's, is simply more comfortable and thus better able to just play, w out thinking.

Gallo on the other hand is still thinking out there. He's been set back by the back injury. No doubt about it. He feels alot better as evidenced by his willingness to get in the paint and draw fouls. He also looks much more mobile/agile, which tells me that he's close to, if not 100% physically.

The reason people like myself are on Gallo to be a all-star type talent is because he has the array of skills in in all important areas at his height to be able to do it. He can create his own shot. He can shoot, I mean really shoot, w range. He can also facilitate for others. AND..... defensively and offensively he has real good savvy. He has what you need to be THAT kind of player.

Right now he's still trying to get a feel.. IT'S STILL TO EARLY TO WRITE HIM OFF.. If Metro hasn't written off AR in all of his wackness then you can surely give Gallo a bit more time. He will continue to grow as Bargnani has..

Bargnani is nasty now dude. It took him 5 seasons to the point he's at now tho.

Gallo can do it too, trust.

Gallo is growing every game. One moment I really liked in against Denver was when Gallo, from the 3pt line, drew Sheldon Williams whom he promptly crossed over, got to the hoop and drew a foul. The cross over he weilded was on some Jamal Crawford type ish. You just don't see that ability to create from 6'10'' dude often. At the top of the key was Billups who as Gallo broke Williams off at the ankles had this look son face that just said "No he didn't just cross up Sheldon like that.." Gallo is bad bro, and he will get better. It will just take time. In the meantime enjoy the ride Bleedblue.:thumbsup:

100% I made the pt in a different thread today about how Wilson has an extra yr+ as a player.

And look where Wilson as last year compared to this....

I still think you're being too diplomatic. :)

It isn't just a feeling anymore that Gallo has all-star talent. It's a fact. Look, you, me, anyone...can say whatever the **** we want, and that's just how life is -- bullshit is inevitable and we all dish it out and run with it sometimes. But you can not watch his play over a period of time, and objectively say you don't see the ability to be a rare NBA force and all-star.

Some saw this and sensed it before he even set foot as a Knick. At this point, you just can't deny it, and we are now simply at a pt where it's a question of just how good he gets, just how soon it happens.

Two things have been admitted by even his biggest detractors the past 2 years:

1.) He is just a 1trick pony 3pt specialist (last year)
2.) He is our worst shooter and just drives and draws fouls and hits his ft's well (this year)

Ok. Even if we accept the negative at it's most absolute face value, we have concluded the following:

Gallo is a 22yr old, 6'10'' player, with range and a shot good enough to make him a NBA 3pt specialist; Gallo's ability to score and be an effective player happens even if he is the worst shooter on the team.

That is the definition of a bigtime prospect. You can't cut that shit up any other way, even if you don't want to credit the consistent, sometimes big, contributions he makes to the team as a whole.

O': Gallo is a leader in +/-....And I will bet he leads or is extremely close to being the leader of the team in ft%, 3pt%, and is right behind STAT in getting to the line when the season ends.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
100% I made the pt in a different thread today about how Wilson has an extra yr+ as a player.

And look where Wilson as last year compared to this....

I still think you're being too diplomatic. :)

It isn't just a feeling anymore that Gallo has all-star talent. It's a fact. Look, you, me, anyone...can say whatever the **** we want, and that's just how life is -- bullshit is inevitable and we all dish it out and run with it sometimes. But you can not watch his play over a period of time, and objectively say you don't see the ability to be a rare NBA force and all-star.

Some saw this and sensed it before he even set foot as a Knick. At this point, you just can't deny it, and we are now simply at a pt where it's a question of just how good he gets, just how soon it happens.

Two things have been admitted by even his biggest detractors the past 2 years:

1.) He is just a 1trick pony 3pt specialist (last year)
2.) He is our worst shooter and just drives and draws fouls and hits his ft's well (this year)

Ok. Even if we accept the negative at it's most absolute face value, we have concluded the following:

Gallo is a 22yr old, 6'10'' player, with range and a shot good enough to make him a NBA 3pt specialist; Gallo's ability to score and be an effective player happens even if he is the worst shooter on the team.

That is the definition of a bigtime prospect. You can't cut that shit up any other way, even if you don't want to credit the consistent, sometimes big, contributions he makes to the team as a whole.

O': Gallo is a leader in +/-....And I will bet he leads or is extremely close to being the leader of the team in ft%, 3pt%, and is right behind STAT in getting to the line when the season ends.

Gallo's game makes me giddy at times. He does things that alot of players, really good players, can't do.

He has a complete offensive skill-set that I'm not sure I've seen at his height from a guy his age.

I'll give a comparison.. He's like a Paul Pierce/ Drasen Petrovich hybrid.

His slashing is Pierce-esque-- he has the handle and fundamental steps to get to where he wants when he wants to on the court and then finish w either hand or draw the foul.

And his shooting while not on Drasen's level yet has the potential to get there as his mechanics are pure.

And...., he's 6'10''.

This guy, once he figures it all out, is going to be a REAL PROBLEM. :peace::peace::gony:
 

metrocard

Legend
I've watched the man play a handful of times when he was on Golden State Metro. How could I have watched him as a Knick that much when he's barely gotten any burn.. Dumb question. He's everything I've stated since the summer before he'd even gotten his feet wet as a Knick. I don't make an assessment of a player unless I've actually watched them a bit dude. Would make sense? It doesn't take a long for me either. I can get a really good sense of where a player is, what he can and can't do pretty quickly. Metro I'm telling you, you couldn't be more wrong about AR. He's bumalicious, lol.

And.... On Marbury. My opinion of him his not based on what the media has sold.. I'll tell u what I think of what he brought to the court.

As a player, just as player, I think there was always something missing from him as a PG. He lacks that ability to do what all great distributing PG's do-- instill that sense of confidence in the other four guys on the court that he will continue to go to them even if they miss or make a mistake. Magic had that psychological piece, Stockton had it, Paul does definitely. Felton even does. Marbury didn't. Point blank. Marbury should have been like Iverson. He should have just played at the 2 as scoring tweener. HE WAS NOT A POINT GUARD to me.

His other antics speak for themselves ,if you're looking at his behavior objectively. Not really gonna touch that stuff.

Watching Golden State basketball is like me watching Florida International play ball under Isiah's whacky offense. Its just not a realistic statement. Lets just be real and say you haven't watched Randolph enough to believe he cannot produce at the NBA level.

Marbury was full of ability, probably the most talented PG we've seen from the 90's who never reached full potential sadly. Marbury is 20th all time in career assist. He can ALWAYS pass, that was never a doubt. When you take into consideration and a clear assessment on who his teammates were, then you'll understand why Marbury struggled to win. Great teams win championships, not great players. KG was a top 3 player for most of his career before he won a championship. LeBron is now, and he never won it all.

I don't know what SG is 20th all time in assist and had a career assist total at 8 per game. Marbury's career has surpassed Felton, so do not compare. Marbury never had the opportunity to play with players like Gallo, Chandler, and Amare (He had Amare when he was a rookie, same goes for KG) When you're FORCED to compared Marbury to the greatest pointguards of all time then you know your arguement is flawed. This isn't about Marbury being the greatest, he isn't. But he wasn't bad, nor he was never a problem. The problem was how teams were built around him. This was a man who can drop 12 + assist and 30 + points on any given night, especially in his prime. You think thats a problem to have? Its a luxury.

as for Marbury's behavior...who are you?

Who are you to judge Marbury?
Judge Mathis?

Come on man, your no saint either. Whatever Marbury does is his business and his life. He's hurting no one. People get angry and hateful at those who are truely free and can express themselves in anyway they feel. Thats what Marbury does, and a lot of people in this world can't do that and be bold as Steph, so they hate.

Heres a quote from Marbury

Stephon Marbury: When you’re happy and your smiling, haters are frowning. When you have a clear conscious and your mind is free, others are confused. When you can see where you’re going and no longer living in the dark, others are blinded by your light.
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Watching Golden State basketball is like me watching Florida International play ball under Isiah's whacky offense. Its just not a realistic statement. Lets just be real and say you haven't watched Randolph enough to believe he cannot produce at the NBA level.

Marbury was full of ability, probably the most talented PG we've seen from the 90's who never reached full potential sadly. Marbury is 20th all time in career assist. He can ALWAYS pass, that was never a doubt. When you take into consideration and a clear assessment on who his teammates were, then you'll understand why Marbury struggled to win. Great teams win championships, not great players. KG was a top 3 player for most of his career before he won a championship. LeBron is now, and he never won it all.

I don't know what SG is 20th all time in assist and had a career assist total at 8 per game. Marbury's career has surpassed Felton, so do not compare. Marbury never had the opportunity to play with players like Gallo, Chandler, and Amare (He had Amare when he was a rookie, same goes for KG) When you're FORCED to compared Marbury to the greatest pointguards of all time then you know your arguement is flawed. This isn't about Marbury being the greatest, he isn't. But he wasn't bad, nor he was never a problem. The problem was how teams were built around him. This was a man who can drop 12 + assist and 30 + points on any given night, especially in his prime. You think thats a problem to have? Its a luxury.

as for Marbury's behavior...who are you?

Who are you to judge Marbury?
Judge Mathis?

Come on man, your no saint either. Whatever Marbury does is his business and his life. He's hurting no one. People get angry and hateful at those who are truely free and can express themselves in anyway they feel. Thats what Marbury does, and a lot of people in this world can't do that and be bold as Steph, so they hate.

Heres a quote from Marbury


I believe I've watched him enough. Maybe you need more time to watch AR, but i've seen enough for now.. It's not like I don't see the good in him too. But those mistakes and the lack of fundamentals... Damn, that just overshadows everything else for me about him right now.

Listen, I agree w you that Marbury had the tools to be one of the all-time greats. That is not debatable. You were wrong to come at me w a comprehensive defense of Marbury. I sited the crux of Marbury's problems as a player,and that is the psychological/mental piece. That is why I compared him to the greats. That aspect is what separates him from them. Your confused, lost in my rather simple argument.

1. What Marbury lacks that other true floor generals have is the ability infuse a sense of confidence and positive spirit into the other four men he was on the court w. Magic, Paul they keep their teammates up, Nash too. They keep their teammates on good mental footing, they won't let them get down and they exude & encourage comaraderie. This is an important and sometimes overlooked aspect of being a true floor general. Some call it leadership. However it is more powerful and profound from the PG because they are the focal point and main facilitators of the offense. The PG get players the ball (or atleast are supposed to) at a point or spot on the court where they can do the most w it. If those guys miss it is the PGs job to keep them from getting down by going back to them, talking to them, using psychology. Marbury had no concept of the importance of this aspect true PGs must have. And it kept him from being able to lead a team properly.

2. It doesn't take a genius to see Marbury moves to the beat of his own drum; and doesn't take X-ray vision to see he was a my-offense-first type of point guard. Marbury would rather score than use his savvy & vision to find and set up teammates or he did not have the vision to set up teammates and as result relied on his scoring more. Point blank. He had the passing ability of Nash or Paul. But imo his vision was not has good as those guys. I think he compensated for this lack of vision w scoring. This often distracted from the flow of offense on the clubs he ran.

These two aspects, faults rather, are what doomed him from HOF status at the position and also from being a true floor general.

He had the talent, but mentally he was hampered. That's why the mental aspect of the game is so important. It can truly limit one from reaching full potential, not just in basketball but in any profession.

In Marbury's case the IQ factor kept him from getting to immortal status and that is the great tragedy and what makes him a fraud to me.

But there is one last major flaw... Iverson at least had the sense to know although he could distribute he was a scorer and not a PG. Marbury's HUBRIS kept him believing he was a true PG, even though he wasn't. I think he would have been better off as a great tweener scorer like Iverson; then his mental makeup would not be in conflict we what he needed to do at the position. Iverson could get assists. Hell so could Jordan. But in their bones, deep down they're scorers. They have that mentality. Marbury always had more of scorers mentality at the PG position to me.
 
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Speak3asy

Benchwarmer
First of all, D'Antoni has done a good job so far. We lost two close games, and looked great in all our victories. D'Antoni has a roster with 5 new players in Fields, Turiaf, Randolph, Felton, Mozgov. and Kelenna, Rautins, Mason who haven't really been part of the rotation. Its impressive me to get these guys gelling early.

Lets assess this 9 man rotation and present a theory on why they will be a threat.

Felton
Passing - B
Pick and Roll - B+
Speed and Agility - B+
Defense B
Scoring - B-
Quite possilby

He's not Chris Paul or D-Will, but he goes in. Excellent all around PG.

Fields

Athelicism - B+
Inside/Outside Ability - B
Defense - B
Jumpshot - B

Only knock on Fields is his lateral quickness. But to assess, he's another overall offense/defense guy and meshes well with Ray Ray.

Gallinari
Shooting A
Defense C
Rebounding D
IQ/Awareness - B+
Inside Game - F

Gallo to me is just Peja with more defense and potential. He is what he is.

Stoudimire
Inside scoring A+
Pick and Roll C
Defense - B-
Rebounding - B
Value - A+

He's our franchise player...needs to work on his pick and roll play with Felton

Turiaf

Energy, Defense, Shotblocking, Rebounding, Intangibles

Mozgov

I don't know.

Chandler

You guys know I been a hater, but he's been our best all around player, I can't front. I feel like if he keeps playing like this we should use him as trade bait to get a superstar.

Walker, love him.

Douglas, I'm in love. seriously. Offensively, Defensively; he's been Jon Starks like.

Randolph could be our best overall player once he starts getting minutes.

This team is DEEP, strong and work well together. Everyone on this team can do something defensive and offensively.

We're no longer one dimensional.

Celebration bitches!

Bolded and underlined part that really made me scratch my head and wonder... what you were thinking saying something like that. He really needs to get some understanding of the game. He does not have a great B-ball IQ
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
It doesn't help that Marbury was part of an era that's basically like the Knicks' Dark Ages. Isiah's meddling didn't help and he made the dumbass move of seeing if Marbury and Steve Francis could work well together (and he was wrong).

Chemistry-wise I'm not sure but there's no doubt that Marbury certainly was a talented player. Problem is the team could never put it together and I won't lie I don't think Marbury's feuding really helped (although considering Larry Brown's personality and Isiah being Isiah you wonder if one can really blame him).

All in all he had some solid years with us but frankly those years were the worst years ever to be a Knicks fan so it's hard to like the guy for me. All in all I do think the Knicks handled the buyout badly...last I recall he showed up to training camp in D'Antoni's first year ready to play and in shape. For some dumbass reason D'Antoni gave the starting job to Duhon...but whatever.

In any case now I think Randolph needs to grow up and mature a bit but for ****'s sake he's 21 years old and it takes many players 4 or 5 years to even be relevant in the league. Hell look at Steve Nash he came into the league at 22 years old and it still took him until his 5th year in the league to become anything close to being relevant. That means he was six years older than Randolph when he became a decent player and frankly it wasn't until his 30's that he started becoming a legit superstar and the best floor general in the league.

Players take time to develop. Randolph is no exception, he'll need time before he becomes better. And if we don't trade him, we need to play him for him to get better. I understand that you don't want to mess with the winning streak, but does Randolph really deserve minutes over Mozgov?

With regards to Gallo I think he'll really have an amazing season next year when he breaks out and really puts it all together. Last year we saw him as a one-trick pony who didn't do much more than shoot the open 3's until late in the year when he started having better games, especially that one where he matched up against Carmelo very well. This year we've seen him drive to the basket a lot more, drawing fouls and having much more confidence in his body and being willing to take a beating inside. He's also shown HUGE improvement on the defensive end, making good plays and all in all fitting much better into our team. Remember for all intents and purposes this is Gallo's second year...a second year forward adapting to the NBA game putting up 16 PPG is a pretty GOOD thing...
 

ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
D'antoni knew from the get that Marbury was not a pass first PG. That is why he never had a chance at running our offense.

Coach could not tolerate him. As bad as Duhon was he's was still a pass first guard.
 
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