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    With a game against the Knicks in Denver on Tuesday, Carmelo Anthony was asked about Mike D'Antoni's coaching system.

    "Youíre up and down, fast-paced and you get extra possessions in the game," Anthony said. "On the flip side, Iíve been on teams where we werenít known for our defense, and thatís not something I want to ever deal with again."

    Anthony called Tuesday's contest against New York "just another game on my schedule" and earlier claimed that he didn't even realize that the Knicks were coming to town.
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    Denver is 18th in NBA defense
    They give up 103 points per game.
    So why is Melo talking?

    Denver finished 20th last season also.

    They always been ass defensively.

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    I dont know what to make of that quote. very confusing.


    Hes not saying he doesn't want to come to NY with D'Antoni as coach is he?

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    Originally Posted by KnicksWillRiseAgain
    I dont know what to make of that quote. very confusing.


    Hes not saying he doesn't want to come to NY with D'Antoni as coach is he?
    He's not feeling the system where defense isn't promoted.

    But yet, he's in a system where defense isn't quite enforced as well.

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    You've got a point there..

    Atleast when Lebron said it he was on a cavs team which was always near the top in the NBA defensively.. And he's a great help defender.. Melo on the other hand is never noted as having any sort of strength on the defensive end..

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    I've seen melo play really great defense when he wants to, but hes not consistent with it. What i get from that is Carmello thinks Dantoni has his strengths and weaknesses as a coach. what coach doesnt?

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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    I've seen melo play really great defense when he wants to, but hes not consistent with it. What i get from that is Carmello thinks Dantoni has his strengths and weaknesses as a coach. what coach doesnt?
    Truth. And sometimes you gotta FAIL and have a weakness exposed on a BIG stage to truly change, and be an evolution. A la Pau Gasol being soft and no-D until he got exposed one yr with LA in playoffs. He came back a chiseled beast and is now trademarked by tenacity and hardness and effort on D.

    He was like 28 or so then. Melo is...26?

    I see NYC bringing out Melo's best, and transforming his worst. Hopefully we'll see.

    Melo is just voicing a natural concern and chewing the ****. If it was popovich he may very well have replaced being weak on D in how an restrictive offense can stagnate a playsrs game some., etc

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
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    Mike D's teams have always sucked on defense but could deal with it because they were top 3 on offense....we are not even close to top 3 on offense so we have to improve defense....problem is mike d doenst teach that

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Mike D's teams have always sucked on defense but could deal with it because they were top 3 on offense....we are not even close to top 3 on offense so we have to improve defense....problem is mike d doenst teach that
    Does he teach anything? Outside of having Steve Nash, being one of a handful of coaches on Team USA, and writing a book....what has he done?

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Does he teach anything? Outside of having Steve Nash, being one of a handful of coaches on Team USA, and writing a book....what has he done?
    0......thats what

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Does he teach anything? Outside of having Steve Nash, being one of a handful of coaches on Team USA, and writing a book....what has he done?
    Developed Amare Stoudimire, Joe Johnson Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, restored the careers of Raja Bell, Grant Hill, and Steve Nash. Led the Suns to the Western Conference Finals a couple of times.

    Just to remind you...

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Developed Amare Stoudimire, Joe Johnson Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, restored the careers of Raja Bell, Grant Hill, and Steve Nash. Led the Suns to the Western Conference Finals a couple of times.

    Just to remind you...
    Phil Weber developed Amare's jump shot
    Steve Nash ran Mike D's offense and coached on the floor.
    Amare became a top PF because of Nash.
    Joe Johnson gives Mike D credit for starting him in Phoenix when he averaged 17 ppg, one season development? Mike D exposed a good player in Johnson, thats it.
    Dont know much about Diaw but he was a good player for the Suns.
    Barbosa is perfect for fast break teams, fast "the blur"
    Bell has a great outside shot
    Hill is actually better now, Mike D didnt do anything to help Hill IMO...Hill helped himself and stayed away from injuries
    And Nash teamed up with great wing players and a dominate slasher in Amare, so how did Mike D restore careers?

    Whoever was the GM restored everyone's career, even Mike D's who had a few bad seasons before winning over 50 games.

    Any coach could have had success with that team

    Nash, Amare, Barbosa, Marion, Diaw, Johnson...come on now.

    The main problem is that he never went to the finals...so right there tells you Mike D isn't good enough to get over the hump, even with an all around solid team.
    Don't give too much credit to the coach for helping the players when the coach had a stacked lineup and one of the best PG's in the NBA.

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    An example of a good coach right now is Byron Scott...the Cavs are 5-5 without Lebron and are playing solid basketball. Scott is getting the best out of every player.

    Mike Brown could not beat teams without Lebron.

    Scott can.

    A "good" coach can get the most of players and adjusts, Mike D doesn't.

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    Thumbs up Well put.....

    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Amare became a top PF because of Nash.
    I agree, plus it was headcoach Frank Johnson who coached Amare into getting
    the rookie of the year (ROY).

    Joe Johnson gives Mike D credit for starting him in Phoenix when he averaged 17 ppg, one season development? Mike D exposed a good player in Johnson, thats it.
    , plus it was......
    Headcoach Frank Johnson getting FIRED b/c he started the 2003 season with
    Joe Johnson as Phoenix starting SG. Which upset Penny Hardaway into going to the
    media to become more of a nusaince in the lockerroom than shoot-first
    Marbury towards coach Frank Johnson
    Lineup: Marbury/JJ/Marion/Amare/Voskuhl

    Don't give too much credit to the coach for helping the players when the coach had a stacked lineup and one of the best PG's in the NBA


    It's a political shame how u never see Steve Nash in a Dallas Mavs uniform
    with Finley & Dirk running an uptempo offense. Nash final season with the
    Mavs they had a 52 win season. Nash was a double-double PG with top-skills
    at passing the ball to moving/cutting/slashing teammates, and Amare, Marion,
    and Joe Johnson were all "above the rim players", while Q.Brick sat on the 3-
    ball line. u dont need an offensive-coach for that starting 5 lineup.

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    Mike D had the best PG in the NBA??????

    Nash was an aging vet, fringe all-star hopeful before he paired up with D'ant...

    He only then became "of the absolute best PGs", put up historic seasons, and catapulted himself into MVPs and fringe HOF status.

    For a vet PG at his age it's virtually unprecendeted to have that type of ascendance to greatness.

    And along with this, that so many young players (Diaw, Bell, eg) developed into versatile offensive weapons , maximizing their skills?

    SO:

    If Amare only became a top PF because Nash (BECAME) a toptop elite PG....and the rest of the team developed because of all this....

    How did Nash BECOME a top PG and so suddenly catapult his career?

    I'll say D'antoni and give him a good bit of credit for this until you can give a more compelling alternative.

    And along with that credit to Nash, it must then be extended to STAT and the other raw Sun players on that team who suddenly found themselves and developed into unique, effective ballers.

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