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    Default Stat Is A Fraud

    Not worth the 100million
    Felton not worth the 14million


    Please save us we don't deserve this

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    I've got sand in my vagina over the recent string of losses as well, but I'm not ready to bail on these guys yet.

    They've both showed flashes of brilliance, but not as a tandem.

    Do you think that if the 2 of them were to put their heads together and create plays for themselves and one another that they wouldn't be able to produce?

    They're not frauds, they're pawns on a shaky chess board.

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    Both ARE pawns on a shaky chess table.

    However, while 'excusable' for Raymond, STAT wasn't paid 100M at his age, with his knees, with his ego, with his passing/turnover/rebounding/defensive flaws, to be SHAKY. Period!

    He was intended to be an offensive force. No questions asked! And in turn elevate the games of OTHERS in tandem, due to his dominant, superstar, offensive wizardry.

    IMHO, we got a 2nd fiddle not meant to be a 2nd fiddle and who doesn't see himself as a 2nd fiddle (contra, Lee..for example).

    We playin like ****, and it's still a small sample size. So I'm reticent to make such sweeping assessments.

    But I don't see these issues being terribly correlated to sample size one way or another.

    It also disgusts me that Felton is getting lemoned for STATs woes. Smmfh. Lee beasted with Duhon and a worst surrounding cast. And we then made a signifcent investment to upgrade into Felton, AFTER Amare got signed.

    It seems like Walsh made another gamble and it's not looking good.

    STAT was so reliant upon Nash. Always a possible reality. We go to hedge ourselves by upgrading into Felton. And still...that possible reality looking more and more like a distinct reality.

    Again. We couldn't afford this type of wishy washy ****. Defense? Rebounding? Turnovers? Passing? Knees? FINE.

    But can't be a consistent offensive force? With Felton and Co? Child plz.

    Like Ice-T has said about his acting...its hair, makeup, act mother****er. STAT has needed to lace up and produce motherfckr to make his contract and the surrounding circumstances close to worth it.

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    Not worth 100 million. At least with Houston you knew he can shoot. Sadly injuries got in the way.

    Whenever I saw Amar'e on the Suns usually I never saw good ball handling from him. His game didn't impress me much. Then, came the pre-season. Looked great. Come regular season I don't know if he's worth near the 100 million.

    Honestly I think David Lee is the better player. He puts those numbers up easy compared to Amar'e. Handles the ball well, very good passer, gets a bunch of rebounds, etc. People will say his stats were inflated in New York, and his stats are similar now because of the Monta and Curry, but enough. Lee can flat out play. We now don't have Lee because they wanted a big name, and also a big name to get another big name.

    I'm tired of Amar'e trying to force himself to go to the rim and I'm tired of him taking shots he doesn't need to. Best thing about him right now is his defense. We need consistent offense from him.

    I want Amar'e to succeed here. I haven't given up on him. Come on, Amar'e, start your dominance.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Best thing about him right now is his defense. We need consistent offense from him.

    I want Amar'e to succeed here. I haven't given up on him. Come on, Amar'e, start your dominance.
    Defense? He can only block shots, other than that, his defense is subpar. He cannot move his feet laterally, and he often times does not fight for position, only on the offensive side.

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    I made a thread earlier that the Knicks have to explore options to trade this piece of garbage.

    you could see his mediocrity a mile away but most if not all were blind with delusional hope he is the savior. keep pointing to how good he was in Phoenix but he was just padding up his stats to impress teams come free agency. now he got the big bucks so he'll just chill play okay because in the end of the day he still gets pay even though the team loses and Knicks fans are upset. you think this guy is going to hustle give it his all and risk blowing out his knee? what for, just give some decent looking effort and you still get paid the same at the end of the day.


    he is not a true Knick and will never be dont think he chose New York to bring this franchise back. he aint here to deliver a championship, he came here to take care of himself, get the max and self promote himself. you cant tell me you were disgusted to see newspaper splattered with his **** ink not mink PETA ad. then he takes a Knicks hat and puts it over his jimmy in the ESPN magazine. it symbolizes saying the Knicks organization and fans are sucking his dick because of the desperation for a winning team and would give anything even to uninsured knees.

    if he really cared about the Knicks winning he would have taken less money so the team can still spend and acquire other quality players. you wish nothing bad on anyone but with his creaky knees if he gets injured and becomes another Allan Houston how big of a burden will that be on this team again, not only won't you have more money to get another player but no other team would want to trade for him or take on his contract.

    when all is said and done, he will be just like all of the recent Knicks before him milked the team and fans for their resources and delivering no titles. why do you want him here for then?

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    of all the new pieces this is the biggest adjustment for stat give him time. he's the best player we've had in a decade and he'll come around at least he gives us that presence of a Double Team, his presence has gotten people open shots, he cant hit them for them

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    then he takes a Knicks hat and puts it over his jimmy in the ESPN magazine. it symbolizes saying the Knicks organization and fans are sucking his dick because of the desperation for a winning team and would give anything even to uninsured knees.
    As stupid as that read, it was actually a pretty funny interpretation of a marketing event. Very funny.

    Actually, the only thing fraudulent is this thread. Stat is very real and has been the most media friendly, up-front Knick with an iota of leadership skills in a while.

    Does that mean he is worth $100 Million. Hell know, but that's not about Stat as much as it is about Dolan trying to recover from Walsh's managerial failure in no securing LeBron by gutting the team for cap space when he should have built a team and a winning atmosphere while trading away pieces including our future.

    No Stat is not a fraud, he did what he was supposed to and is actually playing more like a leader on both ends of the ball than he ever has. He was never a defender and never sold himself as one.

    Tell the Knicks to build a team around him. Don't be so foolish as to expect any on player (except Kobe) to be Mr. Everything. Knicks fans are supposed to be smarter than this.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    Defense? He can only block shots, other than that, his defense is subpar. He cannot move his feet laterally, and he often times does not fight for position, only on the offensive side.
    Don't disagree with this. I haven't paid attention to everything with his defense. I said that because his defense was better than his offense most of this season which is a problem.

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    It proves Melo can't play with anyone else (we call this 'basketball'), Melo can't play basketball, he can just shoot and drop buckets for himself.

    Wack sauce.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Not worth 100 million. At least with Houston you knew he can shoot. Sadly injuries got in the way.

    Whenever I saw Amar'e on the Suns usually I never saw good ball handling from him. His game didn't impress me much. Then, came the pre-season. Looked great. Come regular season I don't know if he's worth near the 100 million.

    Honestly I think David Lee is the better player. He puts those numbers up easy compared to Amar'e. Handles the ball well, very good passer, gets a bunch of rebounds, etc. People will say his stats were inflated in New York, and his stats are similar now because of the Monta and Curry, but enough. Lee can flat out play. We now don't have Lee because they wanted a big name, and also a big name to get another big name.

    I'm tired of Amar'e trying to force himself to go to the rim and I'm tired of him taking shots he doesn't need to. Best thing about him right now is his defense. We need consistent offense from him.

    I want Amar'e to succeed here. I haven't given up on him. Come on, Amar'e, start your dominance.
    It really wont matter at this point. The season is all but lost. I'd like to believe that Amare can be dominate also, but the team is too weak and I don't think Woodson calls any plays for him. Three players have us right at the cap and the rest of the line up is dreadful. Felton is finished as a starter on a contending team.

    The top priority should be to bring in a new point guard. Maybe trade Chandler for draft picks and young players. I'm not one to turn my back on Woodson because half of this site was on his nuts last year, but Artest should get more playing time. Some of the decisions don't really add up. Maybe a coaching change will be the difference maker. IDK.

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    Not worth the 100million
    Felton not worth the 14million


    Please save us we don't deserve this
    no they are worth it, maybe amare not for max money but MIke D just uses them the wrong way

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    no they are worth it, maybe amare not for max money but MIke D just uses them the wrong way
    I agree wholeheartedly. This team is not a 3 pt shooting dynamo. It is a drive to the bucket mid range team. They are a bunch of physcial guys who are being utlized wrong. I mean Mike has either got to make a change tactically or just leave. I was neither a hater or fan boy of him, but I do want to see him try to make an adjustment. If it doesn't happen then he has got to go. This is a good solid team capable of making the playoffs.

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    This all comes down to Felton. Duhon + Lee were able to run the pick and roll almost immediately. We know Amare is a great pick and roll player. So what's the problem....Felton. He is awful. He's fast and plays decent defense but he has no passing abilities in the pick and roll.

    Watch how a pick is started, Felton doesn't take his man off the screen and then the offense just stops. Felton holds the ball and hesitates passing to the open man. At this point, the ball is given to Amare (too late) as a desperation isolation play. Amare puts his head down and throws up a desperation shot or turns the ball over.

    Felton needs to either make the on-time pass or drive toward the basket and either draw a foul or penetrate and kick.

    Just think. For the $7 mil given to Felton, we could have signed Ridnour + Anthony Morrow (both). The system would have been flowing much better with a pick and roll PG that can shoot and a SG that can shoot. Instead we're left with neither in a system that needs both to be effective.

    We're doomed as long as Felton is running the point.


    ***side note: Z-Bo would be better for this team as currently constructed. He rebounds and can post up. And playing along side Mozgov, Turiaf and AR would mask his defensive deficincies. Just kind of ironic we gave up Z-Bo to sign Amare***

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    LJ, exactly.

    But what does this say, yet again, about Walsh?

    We signed Felton *after* STAT. We unequivocally knew what we needed.

    Not to mention, of course, guard help; which we nonchalantly disregarded, yet again.

    I also don't totally buy that STAT somehow *needs* some pick and roll maestro who is also an all-around starting PG caliber player. I mean, ok, maybe he does. But what does that about STAT?

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