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    This all comes down to Felton. Duhon + Lee were able to run the pick and roll almost immediately. We know Amare is a great pick and roll player. So what's the problem....Felton. He is awful. He's fast and plays decent defense but he has no passing abilities in the pick and roll.

    Watch how a pick is started, Felton doesn't take his man off the screen and then the offense just stops. Felton holds the ball and hesitates passing to the open man. At this point, the ball is given to Amare (too late) as a desperation isolation play. Amare puts his head down and throws up a desperation shot or turns the ball over.

    Felton needs to either make the on-time pass or drive toward the basket and either draw a foul or penetrate and kick.

    Just think. For the $7 mil given to Felton, we could have signed Ridnour + Anthony Morrow (both). The system would have been flowing much better with a pick and roll PG that can shoot and a SG that can shoot. Instead we're left with neither in a system that needs both to be effective.

    We're doomed as long as Felton is running the point.


    ***side note: Z-Bo would be better for this team as currently constructed. He rebounds and can post up. And playing along side Mozgov, Turiaf and AR would mask his defensive deficincies. Just kind of ironic we gave up Z-Bo to sign Amare***

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    LJ, exactly.

    But what does this say, yet again, about Walsh?

    We signed Felton *after* STAT. We unequivocally knew what we needed.

    Not to mention, of course, guard help; which we nonchalantly disregarded, yet again.

    I also don't totally buy that STAT somehow *needs* some pick and roll maestro who is also an all-around starting PG caliber player. I mean, ok, maybe he does. But what does that about STAT?

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    LJ, exactly.

    But what does this say, yet again, about Walsh?

    We signed Felton *after* STAT. We unequivocally knew what we needed.

    Not to mention, of course, guard help; which we nonchalantly disregarded, yet again.

    I also don't totally buy that STAT somehow *needs* some pick and roll maestro who is also an all-around starting PG caliber player. I mean, ok, maybe he does. But what does that about STAT?
    Yeah, Walsh blew it with Felton. He just signed the best available PG and didn't think about the system. And not even attemtping to sign Morrow was a big mistake. We cure could use Morrow's 15ppg and 40+% 3-point shooting right now. That would really help the pick-and-roll. Spacing is key with the p&r.

    I say we revisit trading Chandler for Rudy. Rudy can spread the floor and pass better than Felton (or Chandler).

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    felton is probably top 10 in the nba for assists, hes an efficient scorer and he plays hard nosed defence - all in trade for duhon pick and roll prowess?

    give him a break its dantoni's fault that they have to go into desperation iso since there is no other play than the pick and roll that felton has learned. its this so called free flow offence that is the problem. the flow is stagnant and nobody sets any off ball screens besides injured turiaf who can make plays anyway since hes more of a point center.

    morrow is trash.. just a streaky shooter who gets hot sometimes but is incosistent, ballhog whos only addition is to score 10ppg

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    why does he like to do that spin move along the baseline then lose the ball out of bounds?

    develop some other post game like Ewing driving the lane then hop step.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    Yeah, Walsh blew it with Felton. He just signed the best available PG and didn't think about the system. And not even attemtping to sign Morrow was a big mistake. We cure could use Morrow's 15ppg and 40+% 3-point shooting right now. That would really help the pick-and-roll. Spacing is key with the p&r.

    I say we revisit trading Chandler for Rudy. Rudy can spread the floor and pass better than Felton (or Chandler).
    I agree with everything you're saying but trading Chandler for Rudy? Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

    Chandler is like the 2nd best player on our team. Also I think Rudy is too volatile and given his lack of desire to play in the NBA over the summer I could easily see him bailing back to Spain after a season and we would have given up a key player to have him as a rental.

    No thanks.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    false...Lee is better off the boards...Amare slaughtered him one on one

    That play is setup by Nash.

    I just think Lee has more skills offensively. Amar'e has the advantage of his strength and explosiveness. Lee did the pick and roll good with Duhon, that's saying something.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    You're right, but David Lee is a better one on one player than Amar'e.
    damn runningJ.. how old are you?? you say some crazy shat sometimes son.

    Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20
    Not even close. Look David Lee is a good player. STAT is a GREAT player. Watch a Warriors game. Lee is never double or triple teamed. Watch clips from the last 2 years. Same instance. Now watch footage of STAT now and he has 3-4 defenders eying him every time he looks at or touches the ball. The guy still tries to dribble through that ****. Looks STAT needs to step up. He needs to be more efficient. But he is the star we've never had since Ewing. We need to get STAT help.

    Btw I hate the way Gallo is being utilized. It's like D'ant tells him to just stand behind the 3 pt line and do nothing for "spacing".


    i agree w what you're saying about gallo. he needs more touches dammit~!

    i'd like to see him standing in that friggin corner alot less and get the ball in the post and other areas more.

    i liked when he got a pass off a curl play from stat that one time against houston. that was nice, think he went up and got fouled..

    that's one thing about gallo, he nows how to drive in there and draw fouls. good things happen when he puts the ball on the floor. then when he gets to line he shoots 90 something %. he needs to get to the line more.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    damn runningJ.. how old are you?? you say some crazy shat sometimes son.
    Give me examples of why he's better one on one.

    Did you forget about what he offensively did to the centers last year?

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    That play is setup by Nash.

    I just think Lee has more skills offensively. Amar'e has the advantage of his strength and explosiveness. Lee did the pick and roll good with Duhon, that's saying something.
    all about Felton, because Amare should average over 26 ppg easy...Felton is not helping Amare

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Give me examples of why he's better one on one.

    Did you forget about what he offensively did to the centers last year?
    ok, wow. well.. stat is better face up player. he's alot quicker and more explosive than lee and any other forward in the LEAGUE. he can go around and over anyone and finish at the rim w authority. d lee cannot do any of what i've just mentioned at the level of amare, nor can any other foward in the NBA. THIS IS WHAT SETS HIM APART, what has made him a 5 time all-star. playing w nash helps but that's not enough.

    lets see what else.. he's a better perimeter shooter. he can pull up from 18 feet and in, consistently. like 8 out of 10 consistently. lee's perimeter game while improved is not on amare's level.

    need more?? ok.

    he runs the floor better than d lee and just about any foward in the league. kg and bosh are close.

    d lee is a better rebounder. that's all he does better tho. lesson over.

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    Rono, agree STAT is the better player, and I don't know how someone could truly disagree.

    BUT, are you as sure he is better for US? Taking into account cap, injury, age, our supporting cast, and who we are gunning for (Melo).

    Maybe he still is. But it's not as close as saying STAT is a better player.

    I'd add passing, turnovers, and that ability to be smoothly "compliemtary" to Lee's +'s too. Not to mention durability (put age and contract aside).

    Another major prob is that along with STAT being "better"...we were fed and digested his DOMINANCE and elite "1" status...And that being the most vital distinction between him and Lee.

    Yet now it's all STAT *needs* a superstar. STAT *needs* a better PG than the one we already upgraded into. STAT needs a different coach.

    These were the precise issues we weren't supposed to be bogged down by. He was intended to be a beacon of excellence, no questions asked. We'd save all that for the rest of the team.

    I always wanted Lee + Morrow + TyrusT, but got on board the STAT wagon once he signed and fed myself all the talk of STAT's dominating differences in qualities to Lee. And now that all seems to be, if not wayward bull****, much murkier than anyone expected.

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    was Stat worth the money we paid him? Not a chance. Would I have not wanted to sign him? Not a chance. That was the cost for him so I'll suck it up.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    ok, wow. well.. stat is better face up player. he's alot quicker and more explosive than lee and any other forward in the LEAGUE. he can go around and over anyone and finish at the rim w authority. d lee cannot do any of what i've just mentioned at the level of amare, nor can any other foward in the NBA. THIS IS WHAT SETS HIM APART, what has made him a 5 time all-star. playing w nash helps but that's not enough.

    lets see what else.. he's a better perimeter shooter. he can pull up from 18 feet and in, consistently. like 8 out of 10 consistently. lee's perimeter game while improved is not on amare's level.

    need more?? ok.

    he runs the floor better than d lee and just about any foward in the league. kg and bosh are close.

    d lee is a better rebounder. that's all he does better tho. lesson over.
    That's all he does better? Ballhandling, passing, less turnover prone.

    Lee's FG% was also better last year. I know stats isn't the answer to everything, but Lee does score consistently. Lee is playing on the Warriors just as well as the Knicks. A 100 million dollar player shoudn't NEED a PG to dominate. Howard's shot is nowhere near as good as Amar'e, but he's more of a scoring threat.

    And that's kind of, if not exactly how I felt, iSaYughh, about Amar'e and me getting on board with him eventually.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    That play is setup by Nash.

    I just think Lee has more skills offensively. Amar'e has the advantage of his strength and explosiveness. Lee did the pick and roll good with Duhon, that's saying something.
    any idiot should pass the ball in that situation i think felton wouldve given him the ball in that situation....right? i hope he'd see him in that situation loll

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