Stat Is A Fraud

smokes · Jan 16, 2012

iSaYughh said:
KFan92 has waffled on more players than a bisexual at an orgy, even when it came to STAT I think...so I can't give him too much credit, though he did stick to sticking it to STAT, even when a lot of KO was verbally raping him over it.

We knew STATisticals was getting out rebounded by small, white, poor defensive point guards...even during his best of times....when we signed the man.

I blame the shamed departure of Starbury, and peeps' ravenous desire to refill NYK swag, for Fraudemire seducing so much of KO when we signed him that off season.

Anytime someone pointed out why Bosh -- or Lee -- was better than STATisticals, the gushing of this man's never-ending "swag" and how he would bring the NYK back spewed; the man talked the game of a thousand Spreewells and Oakleys, and deluded so many with his mouth and false swag, not unlike a false prophet, despite the realities of his game.

The sad, sad fact is that even if he gets his game back to it's prime of last year, his defense is going to be softer than a vagina, gets penetrated like a pornstar, and he has the uninsured knees, age, and contract where literally....if we asked GSW to do a straight up trade, they'd laugh and hang up.

His offensive game needs to be where it was before his injuries -- where he was legit a Laweyerence Taylor like phenomena on the league -- to make up for the other parts of his game. And for that, a quality PG is essential.

Wise old man Walsh knew that we couldn't chip it up with a gutted team, despite adding Melo and a FA to STAT. Which is why he was so infuriated that Dolan meddled in our Melo deal, it ultimately led to his resignation and premature departure from our franchise.

When we whiffed on Lebron and Wade (and yes, Bosh, too), the plan wasn't to keep up the dogged pursuit of max FA's at the expense of a rounded, complete team.

Bosh/Lee better than STAT? Cmon now. The man may be down right now but there's no need to kick him too...

STAT did more with this team last year than Bosh ever did with the Craptors or Lee ever did for us. Bosh and Lee are not good defenders either (though they do rebound better than STAT), and we brought in Tyson to bring our rebounding back to a solid state.

I agree STAT is playing kinda bitch-like right now and his defense needs to step up but seriously if we had a coach that actually emphasised any kind of god damn responsibility do you think these guys would be allowed to play this kind of laughable basketball and get away without a slap on the wrist? Shumpert taking 15 shots in a quarter or whatever the hell it was, STATS weak as crap D and a gajillion other things with this team can pretty much be written off as long as we have wet sock D'Antoni in charge.

No I'm not saying MDA is the root of all evil and STATs current shortcomings can all be attributed to him, but defensively this team will NEVER SUCCEED with this coaching staff.

Everything else I agree with but I can't stand by and let people dog on STAT like he's second rate compared to Lee and Bosh...

Sprewell-Houston · Jan 16, 2012

KingStarbury3 said:
Judging by what we saw in that espn magazine with the naked athletes, it doesnt look like Stats gonna be going hard anytime soon no homo. I go harder then Amare. Ask KnicksChick :thumbsup:

I asked KnicksChick and she said you were going about as hard as Keith Van Horn. What to make of this? :teeth:

Just kidding bro, it's all fun :crossfingers:

Crazy⑧s · Jan 16, 2012

iSaYughh said:
Wise old man Walsh knew that we couldn't chip it up with a gutted team, despite adding Melo and a FA to STAT. Which is why he was so infuriated that Dolan meddled in our Melo deal, it ultimately led to his resignation and premature departure from our franchise.

When we whiffed on Lebron and Wade (and yes, Bosh, too), the plan wasn't to keep up the dogged pursuit of max FA's at the expense of a rounded, complete team.

That is the profound, pragmatic truth.

It's all been buried until now.

iSaYughh pulls out the cold case!

I think this little number says it all: Melo's head on a bill.

Centerpiece of a cold, green franchise.

Have one of these -

- from me.

SSj4Wingzero · Jan 16, 2012

Saying that Bosh/Lee is better is going a bit far. As bad as Amar'e is on defense he can at least protect the rim once in a while. Lee is trying harder but come on Lee is weak shit.

We got further with Amar'e than the Raptors had with Bosh. We were a playoff team with Amar'e and Felton, the Raptors had Bosh and Bargnani along with Hedo and still couldn't even make the playoffs smh

iSaYughh · Jan 16, 2012

smokes said:
Bosh/Lee better than STAT? Cmon now. The man may be down right now but there's no need to kick him too...

STAT did more with this team last year than Bosh ever did with the Craptors or Lee ever did for us. Bosh and Lee are not good defenders either (though they do rebound better than STAT), and we brought in Tyson to bring our rebounding back to a solid state.

I agree STAT is playing kinda bitch-like right now and his defense needs to step up but seriously if we had a coach that actually emphasised any kind of god damn responsibility do you think these guys would be allowed to play this kind of laughable basketball and get away without a slap on the wrist? Shumpert taking 15 shots in a quarter or whatever the hell it was, STATS weak as crap D and a gajillion other things with this team can pretty much be written off as long as we have wet sock D'Antoni in charge.

No I'm not saying MDA is the root of all evil and STATs current shortcomings can all be attributed to him, but defensively this team will NEVER SUCCEED with this coaching staff.

Everything else I agree with but I can't stand by and let people dog on STAT like he's second rate compared to Lee and Bosh...

I didn't mean to make it seem like I actually think Lee is a superior player to STAT. He isn't.

But it's true that GSW would laugh in our face if we offered STAT for Lee straight up. STAT's contract is a killer. Lee is younger, cheaper, and more versatile -- even if STAT is a superior player. You can also bitch out Lee and he will take it. With an assumed superstar like STAT, in this day of the NBA, that shit just doesn't happen....as much as I'd love to see D'antoni bench STAT every single time he doesn't box out or follow a rebound.

But what kind of a max contract player doesn't do that shit on his own...smh. Melo isn't some defensive stud, but STAT's D is legit pitiful. And I contend no coach can change these basic and critical things he refuses to do.

But like you said...we brought in Chandler...but didn't we also bring in Woodson???? We're playing pretty good D this season, overall, too, and brought in Woodson...how is it on MDA that Amare doesn't box out and just do ultra basic things?

Bosh I simply think is better, fwiw. I always have. But to each his own on that one, it's a close call. I disagree Amare did more last year for us than Bosh did with the Raptors. I'd have to check stats to be certain, but I'm pretty sure Bosh had seasons for the Raptor that were at least as statically good, and while he had the same or worse surrounding casts.

iSaYughh · Jan 16, 2012

Crazy⑧s;196235 said:
That is the profound, pragmatic truth.

It's all been buried until now.

iSaYughh pulls out the cold case!

I think this little number says it all: Melo's head on a bill.

Centerpiece of a cold, green franchise.

Have one of these -

- from me.

Ty broheem.

And yes -- NEVER FORGET. I never will, nor will I ever let these facts slip through the cracks of time.

This team is still a Frankenstein creation, just like it was under Isiah Thomas, and the terminal connection between Isiah and Dolan looms as large as it ever has.

It's an issue of degree, sure -- we have more firepower than in the past, and we reaped the rewards of some of Walsh' savvy.

But if you want to ever actually contend, and beat teams run by killers and assembling killers on their squads....You can't *ever* say stuff like,

"well, Dolan just ****ed us a LITTLE bit"

"it was a good trade, so what that it didn't end up a GREAT one"

"ya, we didn't make the OPTIMAL move...but maybe it wouldn't have worked out anyways"

And actually expect to ever be more than a poser.

The Eddie Currie deal crippled us for *years*.

Am I comparing the Melo deal to the Curry deal? Yes, yes I am. Again, it is an issue of degree, yet the essence does not change.

We bent over for Chicago in the Curry deal over and over, showed zero killer instinct, showed negotiating weakness, and were derelict of duty in doing the job of shooting to get the best deal we possibly could.

Sound similar to those Melo negotiations?

Yes. And while the Curry deal made us playoff rejects for years on end, the Melo deal has the chance of making us malformed 1st and 2nd round rejects, till a few years pass and STAT is well over the wrong side of 30 and we just hope the bottom does't fall out.

Our saving grace, and final distinction between the disaster of Titantic proportions that Isiah performed with Curry -- and what Dolan similarly did with Melo -- is that in the former, current case, we still enjoy the effects of Walsh having cleaned house, and given us a more balanced, superior cap situation.

LeFlume · Jan 16, 2012

YES he is a FRAUD. A Big Fat fraud..Like his coach..Phoenix Suns fraud

quiggle · Jan 16, 2012

well, if Renaissance Man is so good...then how come he wasn't named to the Olympic team? the nba is rigged if he makes it to All Star game this year, most yall grandmothers can make more fg he did in Memphis game

quiggle · Jan 16, 2012

let me tell you we should respect LeBron more then we do Fraudemire at least LeBron aint bring us no title but didnt take a penny from us doing so, this one here aint bringing us a title either and took $100 million from our team in the process

WNY_Knickfan · Jan 16, 2012

Well quiggle I get your point, but Stoudemire isn't named for the olympic team because of his uninsured contract... if you recall he had to refrain from playing in the last WCs cuz of the new contract not being insured. If he plays for team USA and blows out his knee, Jimmy D doesn't get a penny back out of that 100 milly and we get another what if. Sucks for Stat but regardless of his form, his international playing days are over

KingCharles34 · Jan 17, 2012

At the end of the day both Negative Stat and Antoni owe 50% of their paychecks to Steve Nash

Sprewell-Houston said:
I asked KnicksChick and she said you were going about as hard as Keith Van Horn. What to make of this? :teeth:

Just kidding bro, it's all fun :crossfingers:

Haha well she might have been telling the truth :redface:

Or maybe shes got something against me...I am part of team Jeffries, that could be it

RunningJumper · Jan 17, 2012

D'Antoni owes Nash 90% of his paycheck.

KingCharles34 · Jan 17, 2012

^ I agree...Nash was the offensive genius that made that team go. They were lucky to have defensive players like Raja bell, the matrix, kurt thomas, q-rich, diaw, and whoever else. Its a damn shame that Stat never had a coach who could team him how to play defense

Sprewell-Houston · Jan 17, 2012

KingStarbury3 said:
^ I agree...Nash was the offensive genius that made that team go. They were lucky to have defensive players like Raja bell, the matrix, kurt thomas, q-rich, diaw, and whoever else. Its a damn shame that Stat never had a coach who could team him how to play defense

D'Antoni's record without Nash:

98-99 Denver: 14-36 .280 - FIRED
03-04 Phoenix: 21-40 .344
08-09 New York: 32-50 .390
09-10 New York: 29-53 .354
10-11 New York: 42-40 .512

Conclusion: Without Nash our genius head coach had ONE!!! season in his career where he actually achieve an above 0.400 record! That's right guys, one season with an above 0.400 record.

And it's not like his teams were bad or something those 2 years in Denver and Phoenix, in Denver he had players like Billups, a prime McDyess, Van Exel, Eric Williams etc.

In Phoenix he had Marbury, Stoudemire, Barbosa, Penny Hardaway, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Brevin Knight etc.

Our coach sucks without Nash and it's a mystery to me why our front office signed him. His record is horrible without Nash!

shizzee · Jan 17, 2012

Their still a handfull of team would love to have Amare

Wizards Jazz Rockets Celtics.

I know fags hate to see scenario.

But I curious to know why beside Howard trade scenario has his name has not come up in more trade ideas.

Is BD really going to be the savior and revive Stat, Be realistic.

trade the freakin guy already and fire this soft coach MDA

madsqgardensnyk · Jan 17, 2012

What is wrong with you people?

Last year Stat was A MVP canidate? Now you want to trade him? This is like Patrick Ewing all over again.

It's not just Stat that is playing bad, the WHOLE team is playing bad. It really isn't this hard as some of you are making it out to be. This team DOES NOT HAVE A POINT Guard. It is just that simple. I am not saying Baron Davis will be the savior. I am saying, being a .500 team is pretty good considering there IS NO point guard playing.

I don't think Shumpert has ever played point at any point in his career. He is a rookie and trying to do too much and it will be a learning experiance for the time being. Oh and Mike Bibby sucks, as you can see he is just a temporary fix for THIS YEAR. Accept it!

This is STILL a work in progress. It will be at least 2 more years before the Knicks are contending again. Until then, just enjoy the ride!!!!

This is not rocket science. WORK in Progress just like it was when Walsh stepped in.

PS- Is there any other team in the NBA that doesnt have a PG? Point proven. Were lucky the Knicks have been as good as they been this year thus far.

KingCharles34 · Jan 17, 2012

madsqgardensnyk said:
What is wrong with you people?

Last year Stat was A MVP canidate? Now you want to trade him? This is like Patrick Ewing all over again.

It's not just Stat that is playing bad, the WHOLE team is playing bad. It really isn't this hard as some of you are making it out to be. This team DOES NOT HAVE A POINT Guard. It is just that simple. I am not saying Baron Davis will be the savior. I am saying, being a .500 team is pretty good considering there IS NO point guard playing.

I don't think Shumpert has ever played point at any point in his career. He is a rookie and trying to do too much and it will be a learning experiance for the time being. Oh and Mike Bibby sucks, as you can see he is just a temporary fix for THIS YEAR. Accept it!

This is STILL a work in progress. It will be at least 2 more years before the Knicks are contending again. Until then, just enjoy the ride!!!!

This is not rocket science. WORK in Progress just like it was when Walsh stepped in.

PS- Is there any other team in the NBA that doesnt have a PG? Point proven. Were lucky the Knicks have been as good as they been this year thus far.

*dead*

:lol::lol::lol:

RunningJumper · Jan 17, 2012

madsqgardensnyk said:
What is wrong with you people?

Last year Stat was A MVP canidate? Now you want to trade him? This is like Patrick Ewing all over again.

It's not just Stat that is playing bad, the WHOLE team is playing bad. It really isn't this hard as some of you are making it out to be. This team DOES NOT HAVE A POINT Guard. It is just that simple. I am not saying Baron Davis will be the savior. I am saying, being a .500 team is pretty good considering there IS NO point guard playing.

I don't think Shumpert has ever played point at any point in his career. He is a rookie and trying to do too much and it will be a learning experiance for the time being. Oh and Mike Bibby sucks, as you can see he is just a temporary fix for THIS YEAR. Accept it!

This is STILL a work in progress. It will be at least 2 more years before the Knicks are contending again. Until then, just enjoy the ride!!!!

This is not rocket science. WORK in Progress just like it was when Walsh stepped in.

PS- Is there any other team in the NBA that doesnt have a PG? Point proven. Were lucky the Knicks have been as good as they been this year thus far.

And what's stopping Amar'e from putting effort in?

One of the answers to this question is not the coach.

pat · Jan 17, 2012

I am not from the States, was in NY only for a few days, bought a f'n expensive ticket only to see STAT sitting on the bench with foul trouble throughout the Orlando game. However there was his strech in the the fourth during which he was rolling...
... Until Melo got back into the game. I appreciate the effort he obviously put in in the last game. Nevertheless he has to stop trying to win it on his own. It's not going to work. Of course we haven't got a point guard -- which is a huge part of the problem -- but the moment when they passed the rock, Jeffries looked like a decent offense player. Also it is no wonder that Melo is totally banged up. With that kind season and his style of play he is going to be a depleted vulcano come April. On top of that Amare cannot develop any rhythm whatsoever, which brings me directly back to the purpose of the thread. If you trade him you might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

ronoranina · Jan 17, 2012

RunningJumper said:
D'Antoni owes Nash 90% of his paycheck.

Your statement is too simplistic. The Suns still run MDA's offense and Nash's best years were with him. I think Nash thrives in his uptempo system. He really, really thrived in the system coupled with MDA's coaching.

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