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    Default D'Antoni isn't going to use this team to full defensive potential.

    Remember the thread I made about us being an efficient defensive team?

    With my assessment so far, I believe we have the tools and players to be a top 3-5 defensive team in the NBA and bring back Knicks basketball as how we use to remember, except now we'll have athletic freaks who can fly and sky no Clyde Frazier.

    We're not built to play a high tempo, I believe with the same players(how they produce and their tendencies and skills), we'll be a MUCH better squad if we played at a slower pace, focused more on defensive rebounding, crashing the boards, ball possession(high tempo leads to more opportunities to giveaway turnovers). We're more defensive skilled than offensively skilled, therefor it is wrong to use this team in such a way.

    D'Antoni is a great coach and I am not Kiyaman(one of the few respectable D'Antoni haters here), nor I am not the ignorant D'Antoni haters on this site(NY Baller and others).

    I'm just saying D'Antoni just doesn't FIT.

    Sorry. He doesn't.

    Don't fire him this season.
    I don't much about Herb Williams, Phil Weber, Dan D'Antoni, or Kenny Atkinson.

    We should really invest in a coach who will implement a defensive system for our guys.

    We have a good team, Pistons like squad (well rounded defensive team) that can be special and be different. Because a lot of teams in the NBA are pushing for offense. We can counter that and build for defense, and be one some next level. You feel me?

    Metrocard out.

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    Metro our team is built to run.

    We are already an elite defensive teams in spite of the amount of points we give up. As of the other day we were:

    1st in block shots
    9th in steals
    1st in points scored off of turnovers
    3rd or 4th in forcing turnovers
    15th in rebounds

    Yes, no one is denying that we give up a ton of points but we are also 3rd in points scored. Our tempo inflates scores for both teams so it's a wash in my opinion.

    We are doing this all with our best defensive player, Turiaf injured for several games. Add in a healthy Azubukie as a defensive wing stopper and the continued maturing of our squad as they play more games together and these stats will only get better. D'ant has us playing really good ball on both ends of the court and I think slowing down the game will only hurt us. The key is knowing how to switch gears and get stops at critical junctures in the game. The Knicks are starting to do this with more and more regularity and are showing they can close out quarters nicely. I am happy with what I see considering our injuries and Gallo's inconsistent play.
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    Oh and think how much better we will be once AR is contributing meaningful minutes. He is long and quick and can defend many positions. In conclusion I think D'ant has us playing at a high defensive level. What another coach could do is impossible to know ahead of time.

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    were running a west coast offense, wat do you expect

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    I'll complain about D'Antoni when we start losing to teams we should be beating.

    Until then, I can't really whine. People might talk about how we've only been winning against bad teams, but uh...last I checked, you're SUPPOSED to beat bad teams...

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    Defense creates fastbreaks.

    We have to realize we're turnover prone and its because of the system, not our defense.

    We need to commit less turnovers and force more.
    Its really that simple.

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    I wanted Avery on this team, but this slow down offense he preaches suck and I think it would expose our team. Now he has to play slow like his Spurs b/c Lopez is "like" a Tim Duncan (not all like Duncan but you can see it). But I think it has to be a step by step thing. With Dantoni you cant be concerned with points score but be concerned with FG% allowed. We rank 26th in that department and that will be the next thing to build on once we face better teams and in the playoffs. We gonna get there. This team wants to play defense and it can. It has to get better. The offense is better but its still not there yet.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Defense creates fastbreaks.

    We have to realize we're turnover prone and its because of the system, not our defense.

    We need to commit less turnovers and force more.
    Its really that simple.
    Well this is a completely different topic. That said we will go a long way on cutting down turnovers the more Riverside Ray and Amare play in harmony. Amare is the biggest culprit and this has been in large part due to where Ray is getting him the ball.

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    look, if we get Carmelo or someone even remotely close to him this off season we will be a top team in the east. A solid point guard, fields a solid guard.. just what you want on a good team, a scoring small forward, amar'e, and just somebody who can play defense. that team would win many many games and would fit great in D'Antoni's system. I hate to say it but I think Gallinari is the reason this team doesn't 100% fit together. we expected him to be scoring a lot more and to have a much better 3.. yet he got hurt somewhat and isn't the same so far this season. we just need another person we can depend on to score in the 4th.. yes I love Felton but I don't think he is a guy you can depend on in the playoffs in the 4th quarter day in and day out. we need somebody else to score...

    With that being said, I'm perfectly content with the team where it is right now. We are 100000000x better than we have been any season since Ewing left.

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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    look, if we get Carmelo or someone even remotely close to him this off season we will be a top team in the east. A solid point guard, fields a solid guard.. just what you want on a good team, a scoring small forward, amar'e, and just somebody who can play defense. that team would win many many games and would fit great in D'Antoni's system. I hate to say it but I think Gallinari is the reason this team doesn't 100% fit together. we expected him to be scoring a lot more and to have a much better 3.. yet he got hurt somewhat and isn't the same so far this season. we just need another person we can depend on to score in the 4th.. yes I love Felton but I don't think he is a guy you can depend on in the playoffs in the 4th quarter day in and day out. we need somebody else to score...

    With that being said, I'm perfectly content with the team where it is right now. We are 100000000x better than we have been any season since Ewing left.
    Gallo will score more, his shots just haven't been falling.

    I expect him to shoot 45% FG and 42% 3pt

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    Metro,

    You could not be more right w the premise of the thread. But why is this at all suprising?? We all know what Mike D is about. We know how his teams play.

    What I disagree w you on is how you say our coach doesn't fit. This to me this is crazy talk..

    Donnie Walsh took this team from the ashes and rebuilt it piece by piece to fit Coach D'antoni's style/system. Do we have some good defenders? Yes. Can we get stops at key moments in games? Yes. But make no mistake this team was built like a race horse-- built to run my dude..

    This team was built to run Mike D'antoni's SSOL. How can he not be a good fit for a team that was created for him/his coaching style??

    We're built to score.. We can play D for stretches and get stops at key moments, but that's all coach asks as the idea is to overpower teams w offensive prowess and emphasize execution in this area.. Nothing new here. I'm somewhat surprised you created this thread. You know what we're about.. You kno what coach is about.. Maybe not?
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    I don't know yet if I agree or disagree, but this is the most well reasoned arguments against D'Antoni I have read on this site.

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    Default D'uh

    good thread Metro. no surprise 'Antoni lovers have responded in kind.
    I say if we don't make playoffs this year, send 'Antoni to the Heat, so he can coach superstars, and we can bring in a defensive-minded coach. this team, even at full-strength will never be a top D team, and the notion that a better O beats a better D is a Pringle Dream. we can debate this till the end of time, or until 'Ant's contract runs out. What a shame this team was built to run a specific offense catering to a coach's whim, instead of teaching them the basics of winning basketball, that STARTS with Defense. IMHO.

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    Dantoni for Spoelstra.. I'd do that in a minute if you could trade coaches..

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    D'Antoni is a great offensive coach but defensively he sure ain't, lol. Think 'bout Amar'e ya'll, he can block shots cause of his athleticism, which is good. Mozgof is good, Landry has like no weaknesses, Ronny's a good defender too. Maybe you're right but Pringles ain't really a defensive mastermine.

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