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    We are all likely familiar with the sign Jesus provided his followers concerning his second coming, in mathew 24; 3-14. Most nay sayers will say the sign that Jesus provided has always been happening in the world. And to an extent, they are correct. Except for the fact that all the events Jesus relayed, were grouped into one specific sign. Meaning that each of the references had to take place at the same time, which would then be the singular sign that Jesus has been enthroned as King in heaven, and the time alloted for the last days has begun. Biblical reference points to 1914 as the year this took place. The events within that time frame certainly give gleaming evidence that this is surely the case, and we have been livig in the last days for almost 100 years now.

    But what stregnthens true Christian faith is what was said concerning the sign on verse 14. It reads

    And the good news of the Kingdom will be preached in the entire inhabited earth, AND THEN THE END WILL COME.

    The logical question one should ask then is, what exactly is the Good news? Well iys the same message Jesus and his apostles preached in their day. The truth about Jehovah, who is responsible for the way of the world, and what Jehovah plans to do about it. Jesus did it on a level higher, because his miracles performed showed without a doubt that Jehovah has the power to feed, heal, calm storms, raise the dead, strengthen faith. Today, miracles are not performed, but also they are not needed. We have the biblical accounts. All that is needed now is the preaching of the message, so people have a chance at life.

    Jehovah has taken hold of his people as he has done throughout history, and has spearheaded the most thorough preaching work in human history the last 100 yrs or so. His witnesses have been preaching the same message Jesus started in the 1st century. But is it really being preached in the entire inhabited earth?

    The NYT released an article sighting the worlds most read magazine. That magazine just so happens to be The Watchtower, published by none other than Jehovahs witnesses!

    Prophecy unveiled before our very eyes! In light of this, will you maybe consider a brief chat with a witness next time thy appear at ur door?

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    Are you saying wars, threats of wars, false prophets and people starving to death have never occurred at the same time in history?

    Please research The Dark Ages. Those times were much, much worse than current times,

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    Are you saying wars, threats of wars, false prophets and people starving to death have never occurred at the same time in history?

    Please research The Dark Ages. Those times were much, much worse than current times,
    No they were not. The casualties within the last hundrwd years from war, famine, and pestilence has been way higher than any time. But the kicker is, the Kingdom message was not being preached durig the dark ages. And since it os part of the sign that Jesus gave that would mark his presence, then clearly the dark ages was not the time Jesus was enthroned. The kingdom message has to be preached for it to qualify as the sign. That was noy happening until about 1900's

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    No they were not. The casualties within the last hundrwd years from war, famine, and pestilence has been way higher than any time.
    Not percentage of population. Obviously there are more deaths now because there are 6 billion people on the planet. But as a percentage of the population, the Dark Ages were much, much worse. The Black Plague wiped out over 50% of Europe's population alone (over 100 million people in 1 year).

    Higher population equals higher everything. I can also say there have never been as many happy people in the world as there have been in the last 100 years. That is a fact as well. Just because you are unhappy doesn't mean there aren't many very happy people living right now.

    How do you know the Kingdom's message was not preached at all during the Dark Ages? Because JW's did not exist then? How do you know there haven't been other Christian religions preaching the same message? You can't say for certain. You don't ave every record of every fundamental christian group that existed during the Dark Ages. And there were a lot. Ironically, the Dark Ages were "dark" because of religion.
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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    How do you know the Kingdom's message was not preached at all during the Dark Ages? Because JW's did not exist then? How do you know there haven't been other Christian religions preaching the same message? You can't say for certain. You don't ave every record of every fundamental christian group that existed during the Dark Ages. And there were a lot. Ironically, the Dark Ages were "dark" because of religion.
    Because the bible prophecied about the time where Jerusalem would be trampled on. Not earthly jerusalem, but spiritually. Once the apostles died off, unfounded teachings began to be passed as doctrine. Hell fire, Triune God, pagan holidays, and loose conduct. These things started to take place on a small scale in some intances if u read the book of acts, you can see some examples where the apostles warned people to stick to truth and not unfounded teachings. Jesus parable of the sower and harvest speaks on the farmer sowing good seeds, and then the enemy sowing weeds amongst the good good crop. And then there wou be a time where the weeds would be destroyed whem the harvest was ripe. That was speakin on his return as king in heaven.

    Remember, Jehovah has allowed Satan rule over the world. That meams even affecting true worship in some ways. That is why the book of Daniel says the truth will become abundant in the end.

    Jesus preached Jehovah, not himself as God. Jws do too.

    Jesus preached only by serving God acceptably, is your life worthwhile. Jws do too

    Jesus preached that the dead are not burning in hell, but unconscious in death, until the ressurection. Jws do too

    When Jesus was tempted by the devil, he pointed to the bible, his own philosophy as to jow to correctly deal with life and the enemy. Jws do too

    Jesus preached the righteous would live forever on earth, jws do too

    There is no record of Jesus or any of his apostles believin in hell, purgatory, immortal soul, good to heaven, earth blowing up, and other lies satan has weeded into Christendom. So therefore none of the Christian sects could have been preaching the same message as Jesus.

    The watchtower is the most read magazine in the world. There are only 7.3 jws doing this work. Compared to other faiths we ate gnats. Yet somehow, the whole entire inhabited earth is recieving the truth about Jehovah. All the while the world os worse than its ever been. Coincidence? Surely not.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Because the bible prophecied about the time where Jerusalem would be trampled on. Not earthly jerusalem, but spiritually. Once the apostles died off, unfounded teachings began to be passed as doctrine. Hell fire, Triune God, pagan holidays, and loose conduct. These things started to take place on a small scale in some intances if u read the book of acts, you can see some examples where the apostles warned people to stick to truth and not unfounded teachings. Jesus parable of the sower and harvest speaks on the farmer sowing good seeds, and then the enemy sowing weeds amongst the good good crop. And then there wou be a time where the weeds would be destroyed whem the harvest was ripe. That was speakin on his return as king in heaven.

    Remember, Jehovah has allowed Satan rule over the world. That meams even affecting true worship in some ways. That is why the book of Daniel says the truth will become abundant in the end.

    Jesus preached Jehovah, not himself as God. Jws do too.

    Jesus preached only by serving God acceptably, is your life worthwhile. Jws do too

    Jesus preached that the dead are not burning in hell, but unconscious in death, until the ressurection. Jws do too

    When Jesus was tempted by the devil, he pointed to the bible, his own philosophy as to jow to correctly deal with life and the enemy. Jws do too

    Jesus preached the righteous would live forever on earth, jws do too

    There is no record of Jesus or any of his apostles believin in hell, purgatory, immortal soul, good to heaven, earth blowing up, and other lies satan has weeded into Christendom. So therefore none of the Christian sects could have been preaching the same message as Jesus.

    The watchtower is the most read magazine in the world. There are only 7.3 jws doing this work. Compared to other faiths we ate gnats. Yet somehow, the whole entire inhabited earth is recieving the truth about Jehovah. All the while the world os worse than its ever been. Coincidence? Surely not.
    You didn't answer either question.

    You can't continue to say the last 100 years are the worst in human times. This is just false.

    And you don't know if the same message spread by JWs was never spread previously.

    You can't continue stating things without evidence to support it.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    You didn't answer either question.

    You can't continue to say the last 100 years are the worst in human times. This is just false.

    And you don't know if the same message spread by JWs was never spread previously.

    You can't continue stating things without evidence to support it.
    Use ur head smary guy. If they are not sticking to the same message jesus preached, how could they be spreading the Kingdom message? So I did answer ur question
    . No the Kingdom message was not being spread throughout the world after the apostles died off because false teachings crept in. If they were preaching the Kingdom message, like Jws do, then thete would have been no such thing as the crusades. The bible does not condone that, yet somehow the churches did. Jesus would never agreed with that, jws dont. So get ur head out from under u and use all of that supreme intellect you love to tell us silly religious folk u have and actually put it to use. U basically answer ur own questions if u think about it.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Use ur head smary guy. If they are not sticking to the same message jesus preached, how could they be spreading the Kingdom message? So I did answer ur question
    . No the Kingdom message was not being spread throughout the world after the apostles died off because false teachings crept in. If they were preaching the Kingdom message, like Jws do, then thete would have been no such thing as the crusades. The bible does not condone that, yet somehow the churches did. Jesus would never agreed with that, jws dont. So get ur head out from under u and use all of that supreme intellect you love to tell us silly religious folk u have and actually put it to use. U basically answer ur own questions if u think about it.
    So you're saying no group ever in the history of humankind ever preached the same message as Jesus before JWs existed? You've got to be kidding me. Another statement made with zero evidence to back it up.

    And you still didn't address the fact that the world was much worse during the dark ages.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    So you're saying no group ever in the history of humankind ever preached the same message as Jesus before JWs existed? You've got to be kidding me. Another statement made with zero evidence to back it up.

    And you still didn't address the fact that the world was much worse during the dark ages.
    USE UR HEAD!!!!!!! If the true gospel was being spread, why would people say JWs are new? Because the church took over the truth, and gave us lies and religious wars. They were killing anyone who disagreed with them, imagine what they woulda done to a JW! So NO! The gospel that Jesus preached was not being preached worldwide. The Church had too much power. And the church is not backed by God because of their lawlessness. Remember, satan rules the world. The church is one of the most powerful entities in the world. Why would satan allow Gods people to have such power in his world? THINK! Because the church is being mislead by him! Which is why Jesus had to pull a people for Gods name, which he started doing in the early 1900's.

    The church has been responsible largely on how Christianity was shaped throughout the ages. They would have killed anyone in opposition. As much as u talk about religious wars, im shocked this is over your head. Far over it too.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    USE UR HEAD!!!!!!! If the true gospel was being spread, why would people say JWs are new? Because the church took over the truth, and gave us lies and religious wars. They were killing anyone who disagreed with them, imagine what they woulda done to a JW! So NO! The gospel that Jesus preached was not being preached worldwide. The Church had too much power. And the church is not backed by God because of their lawlessness. Remember, satan rules the world. The church is one of the most powerful entities in the world. Why would satan allow Gods people to have such power in his world? THINK! Because the church is being mislead by him! Which is why Jesus had to pull a people for Gods name, which he started doing in the early 1900's.

    The church has been responsible largely on how Christianity was shaped throughout the ages. They would have killed anyone in opposition. As much as u talk about religious wars, im shocked this is over your head. Far over it too.
    You're missing the point.

    -You said Matthew 24 is correct so we should follow you.

    -I challenged Matthew 24.

    -You said current times are worse than any other time.

    -I proved this false.

    -You quickly dodged this reality and said the kingdom message has to be preached for it to qualify as the sign and that was not happening until about 1900's, implying the message was never taught by anyone until JWs arrived.

    -I asked, how do you know the message of Jesus was not preached at all during the dark ages in order to qualify the dark ages not realizing that the only way for the dark ages to qualify was for the message to be "worldwide".

    My mistake. Simple misunderstanding.

    Basically you don't know whether or not another group of people preach the same message (I believe 7th Day Adventists are very similar) but only JWs are the ones preaching it worldwide?

    So, if I eliminate all JWs from 1 nation, the world will not end and we can go on living happy lives instead of being murdered by God? Hmmm. Tempting.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    You're missing the point.

    -You said Matthew 24 is correct so we should follow you.

    -I challenged Matthew 24.

    -You said current times are worse than any other time.

    -I proved this false.

    -You quickly dodged this reality and said the kingdom message has to be preached for it to qualify as the sign and that was not happening until about 1900's, implying the message was never taught by anyone until JWs arrived.

    -I asked, how do you know the message of Jesus was not preached at all during the dark ages in order to qualify the dark ages not realizing that the only way for the dark ages to qualify was for the message to be "worldwide".

    My mistake. Simple misunderstanding.

    Basically you don't know whether or not another group of people preach the same message (I believe 7th Day Adventists are very similar) but only JWs are the ones preaching it worldwide?

    So, if I eliminate all JWs from 1 nation, the world will not end and we can go on living happy lives instead of being murdered by God? Hmmm. Tempting.
    You didnt prove the 20th century was not the worst time in human history, far as wars and pestilence. with all the resources we have now, you would think we'd be a lot better off. how are people starving and dying from diseases we have vaccines for? I mean at least the dark ages had an excuse. the way of livig was harsh, but whats our excuse today? please, we are way worse off today simply because of the nuclear threat than any time ever.


    and yes, for awhile 7th day adventists shared very similar views to Jws. bit they started tobfall in line with the rest of Cristendom, and adopt false biblical teachings as doctrine. And they were not the ones in line with the biblical chronology that pointed to 1914 as the year Jesus was enthroned in heaven as King. Only Jehovahs witnesses go by this, and there is very good reason to put faith in it.

    You couldnt stop Jehovahs work if you worked with Satan personally. Regardless to how you , or anyone else thinks, Jesus has shown his God given power by re-establishing true worship on earth, and spearheading by ar, the most comprehensive, and influential preachong work of all time. It is unlike any other ever seen, and if that aint a sign, what is?i

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    You didnt prove the 20th century was not the worst time in human history, far as wars and pestilence. with all the resources we have now, you would think we'd be a lot better off. how are people starving and dying from diseases we have vaccines for? I mean at least the dark ages had an excuse. the way of livig was harsh, but whats our excuse today? please, we are way worse off today simply because of the nuclear threat than any time ever.
    Huh? The fact that people are dying of disease even though we have vaccines for some diseases, or a threat of nuclear weapons exists is not proof the world is worse now. What kind of logic is that?

    The percentage of population dying from disease, the average lifespan of the population, percent of poverty, percent of people dying in wars, percent of people living peaceful lives. These are the measures of a positive or negative society. Not a JW on an internet forum saying so without evidence. You can't just say things are worse because you want it to be.

    If you can find a year in the last 100 years where over 100 million people died from disease alone in 1 year, I would like to know. Not even that many people died from the entire World War 2 conflict.

    Funny how you mention vaccines. Next time you get a vaccine, ask the doctor to use the vaccine that was NOT developed by evolutionary theory. The reason why vaccines work is because doctors and scientists use evolutionary theory to develop them. The reason why diseases perpetuate in spite of vaccines is because of evolution.

    If evolution were false, a much higher percentage of the population would be dying of disease...and therefore would probably qualify as the worst time in human histroy. How ironic!! Lol!! Just another example of evolution proving your religion false.
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    The percentage of population dying from disease, the average lifespan of the population, percent of poverty, percent of people dying in wars, percent of people living peaceful lives. These are the measures of a positive or negative society. Not a JW on an internet forum saying so without evidence. You can't just say things are worse because you want it to be.

    U are speaking of a time where they lacked resources to fight disease. Today we have none of those issues, yet Aids, cancer, ebola etc. Why are they around? How can we have peace with these pestilences? Forget the spanish flu breakout. Whats good in the news today? People are better off today according to u. Really? How bout the jobless? Why is thay the case with all this wisdom mankind has shown the last 100 yrs.

    only a complete fool sits back and thinks this world is peaceful in the slightest. Youre one of the only people I know who thinks things are peaceful and good. talk about wool over ones eyes.

    this is what I know. Jesus reigns as king im heaven, because his people, Jws are doing the job he started and prophecied would happen. That means he hast to be real. tangible. Unlike ur common ancestor pipe dream.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    The percentage of population dying from disease, the average lifespan of the population, percent of poverty, percent of people dying in wars, percent of people living peaceful lives. These are the measures of a positive or negative society. Not a JW on an internet forum saying so without evidence. You can't just say things are worse because you want it to be.

    U are speaking of a time where they lacked resources to fight disease. Today we have none of those issues, yet Aids, cancer, ebola etc. Why are they around? How can we have peace with these pestilences? Forget the spanish flu breakout. Whats good in the news today? People are better off today according to u. Really? How bout the jobless? Why is thay the case with all this wisdom mankind has shown the last 100 yrs.

    only a complete fool sits back and thinks this world is peaceful in the slightest. Youre one of the only people I know who thinks things are peaceful and good. talk about wool over ones eyes.

    this is what I know. Jesus reigns as king im heaven, because his people, Jws are doing the job he started and prophecied would happen. That means he hast to be real. tangible. Unlike ur common ancestor pipe dream.
    I never said this world is peaceful and good. Quite the opposite. I am quite familiar with the struggles of life on earth. You said current times are worse now than ever in human history. This is false. You can't continue to make statements without providing evidence to back it up, particularly when the facts and evidence contradict your statements. And just because you may be miserable doesn't mean everybody in the world is miserable.

    Nice dodge by the way about vaccines and evolutionary theory.
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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I never said this world is peaceful and good. Quite the opposite. I am quite familiar with the struggles of life on earth. You said current times are worse now than ever in human history. This is false. You can't continue to make statements without providing evidence to back it up, particularly when the facts and evidence contradict your statements. And just because you may be miserable doesn't mean everybody in the world is miserable.

    Nice dodge by the way about vaccines and evolutionary theory.
    What exactly makes todays way of living great? The earth is polluted, people dont give a damn abt eachother, only themselves. The family structure is broken down, becauce of technology, we dont talk anymore, we text, further creating a social barrier beween ourselves. Wake up dude, we are one bad UN meeting away from ww3, the economy worldwide is stuggling, we still have aids. All these scientists out trying to disprove God, spend resource after resource on a missing link they wont find, while cancer amd aids run ramped. Man so smart, thy outsmart themselves.

    Life itself is good. But the distractions of the devil, money, power, prestige, drugs, immorality, these are the things that are "good" in this world to people. The very same things that we have in abundance, kill us. Do u have hope for future generations? Real hope? Oh, I know. Once the world gets fully educated about atheistic viewpoints, we'll all be peaceful. Let me us a worldy term on how I feel about that... GTFOH!

    People will be people. Athiest, religious, dumb deaf and blind. The world is the pits, even with all ir majestic scientific advances and pipe dreams. Its not getting better.

    Why cant man make us live forever? Why cant their be peace? When is science going to alleveiate all forms of sickness? When will there be nomore blind? Deaf? Lame? Why even have a monetary system? Thats division. C'mon bright guy, gimme some answers. U claim u can pinpoint when the sun wilk blow up, u know we are half brothers with monkeys. When will science fix some REAL ISH?

    meanwhile the mythical God Jehovah has already brought milliins of people together from all over the globe in TRUE PEACE! Wow! Something that does not exist has done something that the smartest beings in existence, human beings, have not been able to do in hundreds of thousands of years according to the science fiction in our public and private school books.

    When the end comes, and very soon, you will absolutely remember these conversations, you will remeber Jehovah bringing all nations together in true worship and peace in a volitile world. You will remember Jesus words in mat 24:3-14 and you will remember 1914 and that the preaching work had to be done worldwide before the end came, and you will remember that the Watchtower, which says on each cover "announcing Jehovahs Kingdom", is the worlds.. THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTHS, most read magazine. You will remember you scoffed at these prophecies, even though they smacked u in ur face hard.

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