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    I say yes to Melo so long as we don't have to give up anything for him. We're already a quarter way through the season. If he actually does want to come here, he can wait and we'll sign him for next season.

    If he doesn't want to be here, then fine. Cos I'm sick of the Knicks being used as contract bait.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    We dont need him.
    Agreed.

    The Knicks have a talented team. They don't need to buy championships.

    This team has the pieces to win games.

    If the Knicks get Anthony, I'd support the move, but I'm not crazy about getting him the way some people obsessed over Lebuhon.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Agreed.

    The Knicks have a talented team. They don't need to buy championships.

    This team has the pieces to win games.

    If the Knicks get Anthony, I'd support the move, but I'm not crazy about getting him the way some people obsessed over Lebuhon.
    +1
    Just grow our home grown talent for cheap is the mind set I'm on

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    Originally Posted by Blas
    I know this sounds absolutely crazy and I know that KO folks are going to tear me up for saying this:

    I do not want Carmelo Anthony on this team.

    I do not pretend to believe that we currently, have a championship calibur team. But I do not believe that with Carmelo Anthony we have a championship calibur team.

    I acknowledge that Carmelo Anthony is a better player then everyone on our roster except for STAT.

    However, this is a team game folks.

    There are very little facts in the whole situation to support why I do not want Melo. There are also very little facts that support why we should have him.

    These are my worries (opinions):

    1) Can Melo handle being the 2nd man or even a 3rd man? STAT is our number one and he needs to stay that way. He has inspired our team and willed them to win. No way does STAT step down and Melo take over. Felton has stepped up himself and I feel that he should keep his role as the co-captain.

    2) Offensively, Melo is amazing. Melo works best in iso wing situations and D'antoni does not run that too often. Melo is not very good in the P&R. Will D'antoni change his offense to suit Melo's needs?

    3) Defensively, well we already know he isn't a great defender. He doesn't bring this to the team.

    4) Rebounding, also not his strong suit. He doesn't bring this to the team.

    5) Hustle, Melo does not do this. He doesn't bring this to the team.

    6) Ball movement, Melo is used to having the offense run through him. I'm not so sure if Melo can play off ball.

    These reasons are probably flawed. This thread probably should be one-starred and closed. Regardless, this is how I feel.
    Thank you. It is good to know there are some of us out there who agree on this.

    Carmelo Anthony is not the right fit for all the reasons you mentioned,

    not to mention the fact that he wants

    22 million dollars per year, on top of Amare's 20 million which would cripple the Knicks in a hard cap world with

    2 pretty similar players.

    The Knicks spacing would go from all world to god awful.

    Carmelo can ball, but he is not the right fit for this team at all.

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    I dont understand why people are shooting down getting the third beat pure scorer in the game.

    His post game is deadly, mid range deadly, and it gives us another option to run the offense through when Stat sits. Plus, he does not need to dominate the ball to score. Even if he comes at the end of the season, Wilson will still want more than we can afford to pay him, of we sign Melo.

    This man plays well with teammates, he will fit the offense fine. What cant he do that Chandler is? Imagine how motivated he will be to prove he was worth it? Look what Stat is doing... Think Melo will bring anything less?

    If we lost Chandler, Fields/Randolph Curry, and '13 1st, does that really hurt us?

    Fields is more than replaceable. Melo is flat out waaaaay better than Chandler. When is Chandler hanging 40 Lebron? He played team ball just fine when surounded by good talent in college and when Den first got Billups. And honestly, this team is already better than that one.

    Do remember D'antoni goy phx to 2 conf finals with less talent than stat, felt and Melo....... In the west.

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    Getting a center and developing the players now is most important. Wait for Melo in the off-season.

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    Im sorry but if we keep this team as is we are no better than the Magic. Yea they made it to the Finals but the beat a Celtic team with out Garnett. Garnett came back Magic gets eliminated in the 2nd rd in 2010.

    That is why we need Melo.

    Lakers, Celtics did not win with home grown talent. We need players. STAT is option number one. Melo is number 2. Felton is a good pg he will keep them both pleased.

    Who on this team is a great defender. Yet many of you feel this team is fine as is. Look we beat some bad teams thats it. And we will beat some good teams this year to.

    But in the playoff you are facing a good team every single night and that team studies you 10x more than in the regular season. So they will figure us out. Talent will win out.

    Amar'e is 28. the time to win is now. I dont think we need Chris Paul or DWill cuz of Felton.

    I would sign him next year. Or get him for nothing, but DOnnie's working it out.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Getting a center and developing the players now is most important. Wait for Melo in the off-season.
    I totally agree with that.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    I dont understand why people are shooting down getting the third beat pure scorer in the game.

    His post game is deadly, mid range deadly, and it gives us another option to run the offense through when Stat sits. Plus, he does not need to dominate the ball to score. Even if he comes at the end of the season, Wilson will still want more than we can afford to pay him, of we sign Melo.

    This man plays well with teammates, he will fit the offense fine. What cant he do that Chandler is? Imagine how motivated he will be to prove he was worth it? Look what Stat is doing... Think Melo will bring anything less?

    If we lost Chandler, Fields/Randolph Curry, and '13 1st, does that really hurt us?

    Fields is more than replaceable. Melo is flat out waaaaay better than Chandler. When is Chandler hanging 40 Lebron? He played team ball just fine when surounded by good talent in college and when Den first got Billups. And honestly, this team is already better than that one.

    Do remember D'antoni goy phx to 2 conf finals with less talent than stat, felt and Melo....... In the west.
    wow.
    bad post.
    just bad.

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    I honestly don't think the people that are saying no realize if it's in the offseason, then who cares. He'd pretty much be taking eddy curry's money and we'd be letting will go, what's wrong with that? If there's still a mle use that on a big then. All you who think this team with Marc gasol or glen Davis are going to make a finals really need to wake up from "caught in the moment land". Yes they've won 11 of 12 and amare's beasting, but the only team they beat that has a chance not 2 be in the lottery was the hornets who aren't a very good team tbh. I understand it's been a long time since the knicks were this successful and it's fun and exciting , but you have to remember you're still having discussions about this can be a 6 seed at highest! With melo you become elite I undestand there's difficulties w/ new players comming to new teams but that's why they have training camp and preseason. D'ant is smart enough to let melo get a few iso's in a game, just like Amare gets. And the sharing the spotlight stuff is bull, those type of players don't exist anymore and even if they do they understand it takes a dynamic duo or trio to win.Kobe learned,lebron,Wade,shaq,mj,wilt,Kareem,magic,bird ,drexler,David Robinson,Duncan they all did.

    I just can't understand how someone can say they want to pass an probably the best scorer in the game, when he actually wants to be here, for a team full of roll players behind Amare. Hell even stat knows that's why he wants him here. All it's going to take is next weeks games not being Close for these same people to retract these statements and that's a shame. Amare and melo are different players they wouldn't be Wade and James Those two play the same way that's why they sucked so hard for that long but now they're getting it.

    Sorry about the rant.lol
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    Originally Posted by la2ny
    I honestly don't think the people that are saying no realize if it's in the offseason, then who cares. He'd pretty much be taking eddy curry's money and we'd be letting will go, what's wrong with that? If there's still a mle use that on a big then. All you who think this team with Marc gasol or glen Davis are going to make a finals really need to wake up from "caught in the moment land". Yes they've won 11 of 12 and amare's beasting, but the only team they beat that has a chance not 2 be in the lottery was the hornets who aren't a very good team tbh. I understand it's been a long time since the knicks were this successful and it's fun and exciting , but you have to remember you're still having discussions about this can be a 6 seed at highest! With melo you become elite I undestand there's difficulties w/ new players comming to new teams but that's why they have training camp and preseason. D'ant is smart enough to let melo get a few iso's in a game, just like Amare gets. And the sharing the spotlight stuff is bull, those type of players don't exist anymore and even if they do they understand it takes a dynamic duo or trio to win.Kobe learned,lebron,Wade,shaq,mj,wilt,Kareem,magic,bird ,drexler,David Robinson,Duncan they all did.

    I just can't understand how someone can say they want to pass an probably the best scorer in the game, when he actually wants to be here, for a team full of roll players behind Amare. Hell even stat knows that's why he wants him here. All it's going to take is next weeks games not being Close for these same people to retract these statements and that's a shame. Amare and melo are different players they wouldn't be Wade and James Those two play the same way that's why they sucked so hard for that long but now they're getting it.

    Sorry about the rant.lol
    The thing is, if he wants to be here, don't you think he's coming regardless? Who knows if he's thinking he doesn't want to be traded because he knows our current players can help him.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    The thing is, if he wants to be here, don't you think he's coming regardless? Who knows if he's thinking he doesn't want to be traded because he knows our current players can help him.
    That's what I stated at the opening of my rant. Loosing wilson for melo isn't a loss at all so let Wilson walk this offseason along with eddy and you have the same team pretty much plus Carmelo. Sum of these guys on here are saying no because they want Marc gasol or glen Davis, wth is that. This team plus Marc gasol would not even make it 7 games with the celtics. This team with melo and a big picked up w/ the mid level can challenge just from teams having to respect 2 Superstars on the same team. That's why la wins, that's why Boston wins, that's why Miami will win. Couple that w/ solid d and the knicks will be elite

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    Originally Posted by Hitman
    Thank you. It is good to know there are some of us out there who agree on this.

    Carmelo Anthony is not the right fit for all the reasons you mentioned,

    not to mention the fact that he wants

    22 million dollars per year, on top of Amare's 20 million which would cripple the Knicks in a hard cap world with

    2 pretty similar players.

    The Knicks spacing would go from all world to god awful.

    Carmelo can ball, but he is not the right fit for this team at all.
    How is he similar to STAT? Amare is bigman PF-C marked by being a dominant inside scorer you feed the ball to.

    Melo is pure scorer and creator with an outside shot who can play off the ball, can pass, and is a SF who has the versatility to fill in some PF and really at the 2 spot, also.

    A guy who can create as well as Melo is almost form-fit for our team, since the team is structured through an SSOL game theory and philosophy; which Melo's skills and game are form-fit for. You make sure to work something like this into the team, because it is such a deadly fit, even if you need to re-structure other pieces some.

    I don't have a sexual thing for the guy, and have argued for NOT getting him -- I'd love to get M.Gasol, and a guy like Big Baby to sign along w/ Chandler. But it really doesn't have much to do w/ STAT, not fitting the team, or him being overpaid, IMHO.

    We only do it if he walks here, though, which seems the most likely route anyways at this point.

    Felton
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    Felton
    Melo
    Gallo
    Amar'e
    Gasol

    Douglas
    Fields
    Chandler
    Mozgov
    Turiaf
    Randolph

    I mean, that's a team that's got talent in the starting 5 and enough depth at critical positions to really go far in the playoffs...

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    From a historical perspective (although the analogy isn't exact) getting Melo would remind me--I'm old enough to remember--of the Knicks getting Debusshere. The difference that made a good team a champion.

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