God gave hygiene instructions to the isrealites in leviticus. Long before Jesus. The deseases u speak of must have been invoked by demonic possession or some sort for Jesus to say such. Please site the scripture.
Bottom line is, the bible is not a science book. So u looking for it to lead u down that path is like me trying to find Jehovah in science weekly.
I think I read somewhere this has been observed. Tho I will research it thoroughly. And I remember one time I said science can't explain why we grow old and die, due to our regemerative powers. You scoffed at that, but there is a whole section of science dedicated to that research, correct?
Huge double standard!
All Good go to heaven
Saved by grace (once saved, always saved)
Homosexuality is ok
And so on. Things completely unscriptural.
Jw never claimed to be prophets, even when saying the world will end at date X. Also, it did not affect their worship. They stood by sound biblical teachings, even when wrong abt date XYZ. While the "false predictions" as you say do not make JW look good, the basis of Christianity is LIVING ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL. Jesus did say thosr "Doing the will of my Father will" inherit the Kingdom, correct?
Well I ask you again, according to Bible standards, who does Gods will more so than JW?
Secondly. I already explained why we die. It's called the Hayflick limit. After about 50 divisions, a cell dies and can no longer reproduce.
There is a short tag of DNA stuck on the tips of a cell's chromosome, called a telomere. This telomere provides a place for the cell's DNA-copying machinery to latch onto the chromosome when the time comes each generation for the chromosomal DNA to be copied into daughter chromosomes.
Every time the cell copies itself, the short bit of the telomere is not copied, so the telomere gets a little shorter each time the cell divides. When the telomere reaches a minimal length after some 50 divisions, the cell can no longer replicate its DNA and therefore cannot replicate itself, and therefore dies.
As I mentioned, the aging process is simply cells dieing at a faster rate than they reproduce. As we get older, the less cells reproduce because more cells reach the Hayflick limit as time passes. But I guess you wanted all the facts in order to make a decision, huh? Yeah right. SMH.
As you stated prior, quoting from the bible, a good tree is known by its fruits.
As for doctrine, teachings like the trinity, salvation by grace (which means everything is given: love, faith, works, all, by God, not what you describe), accepting LGBT people, etc., this can also be backed up by scripture.
The bible is a complex document, and Christians, of all backgrounds, can usually back up their doctrine with scripture.
And so... although, in your loaded question, you want ONE right religion, I say there is no such thing. People have many religious books, teachers, figures, etc., and, without any hard evidence, our hearts should be softened to, and respect, differences.
Lol LJ, you sound ignorant, saying Jesus spread ignorance! Even by most athiests standards, he is the most well meaning human in history! What he means to spread, you ignore because you want God to come visit you face to face. Meanwhile, they still aint found ya people yet! But you riding just fine without seeing them.
Here is an article I read, but not the on I was looking for. When I find it, I will post it.
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Why does it say things like this?
"The ageing process is poorly understood, but scientists know it is caused by many factors. Highly reactive particles called free radicals are made naturally in the body and cause damage to cells, while smoking, ultraviolet light and other environmental factors contribute to ageing.
If its poorly understood, how can we claim to have accurate knowledge?
Same applies to humans. Those who break Gods laws, will be expelled from the organization, one way or another. Yes we are a group, but we alll have our seperate accounting to God. He won't deny those who deserve life their reward because 10 people broke his laws. Thats unjust. Just as saying all catholic priests are pedophiles.
So u r wrong. As a whole, jw are God's people, regardless of the few who perpetrate, because the whole is greater than the sum, so long as they are properly serving God.
Other Christian faiths cannot say so, not because they are not capable, but because they are not properly bring taught whats acceptable to God.
And, so you are God's people because you say you are. If you make mistakes (with predictions, pedophile elders, etc.), you are still God's people. Others are not, because they make mistakes: trinity, abusive priests, etc. Heard it all before at the KH.
Double standard, circular reasoning!
The only way out is to respect everyone and their understanding to something greater than themselves, which is something that does not come from getting your JW, or any other, membership card.
I get that its a small begining. And what is known, could very well be accurate to the degree of understanding. However, what is now unknown may severely change what is currently thought of as accurate understanding. At best, we should say the jury jas out on this one.
Dont be mad man, it's a good discussion. U tell me to do research, then when I do, u get mad.
Is God lying to the governing body on purpose?
Let me guess, the governing body are imperfect men?
You're guilty of contradiction #1.
But the Watchtower Society forbids its members from researching, because the internet is controlled by "Satan." So I doubt you'll do such a thing.
And why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses always mention in their Watchtower publications that they are the only true Christians?
If you're God's chosen people, why do you have to prove that to anyone?
Is it because your organization doubts itself after making 10 failed Armageddon predictions? Possibly.
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You're guilty of contradiction #4.
P.S.-If Apostates are trying to create their own religions like the JWs claim, what are the names of these new religions?
Why hasn't anyone heard of them?
Did God lie to the governing body and tell him to teach that to his members?
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You didn't even research the subject. You found one artccle that said the aging process is poorly understood. Did you even read the article in it's entirety? Saying the aging process is poorly understood doesn't mean we don't know why we age and die. I already explained that. We know it well. The article is about reversing the aging process. Essentially stopping the telomeres from slowly deteriorating. Which we've done with stem cells. Did you research that too? No. This is what you do. Make false statements, then when confronted, resort to "imperfect science doesn't know everything so therefore they don't know anything, therefore I reject all evidence".
And why bring this up? It wasn't part of the debate in the first place. Jesus was a human being that lived 2000 years ago and only had the knowledge of people that lived 2000 years ago. Nothing more. The bible was written by ancient people that only had the knowledge of ancient people. Hence why the bible is scientifically innaccurate and Jesus thought whales were fish, people can live in the bellies of fish, diseases were cause by demons and didn't know Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark are impossible.
Einstein, and every educated person living today, has more knowledge than Jesus ever had. It is obvious Jesus was nothing more than a man living 2000 years ago with Bi-polar I disorder.
You always make false statements (e.g. bible is scientifically accurate, bible is perfect, we haven't discovered the "missing link). I provide evidence to the contrary on every false statement you make. You say "imperfect science doesn't know everything so therefore they don't know anything, therefore I reject all evidence".
You will then go on, knocking on people's doors saying the bible is perfect, the bible is scientifically accurate, the missing link has not been discovered, we don't know why we age, etc, etc. All the while knowingly telling lies to yourself and others to make you feel better about yourself. Because we all know this has nothing to do with you trying to save people from god or bring people closer to god.
Einstein was right. You do live in a poor way.