Jesus also said this.
15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].
21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
The two bolded verses are particularly important here. Because Jesus insinuates many will claim to have Christ, but only those who Do the will of Jehovah will actually enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.
So the question is, smart guy, which group of people who claim Christianity can truly say that they do Jehovah's will? If it ain't Jehovah's witnesses, then it ain't nobody.
This is why you are lost!
As to your other point (on being the only ones to follow Jehovah, which I guess is something you claim you do alone because of your sect's heavy use of the name): in John 14: 6 Jesus answered [Thomas], “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Here, Jesus clearly says that you must go through him to get to Jehovah. It also says that to know Jesus is to know Jehovah. So, technically, other Christians who acknowledge Jesus are also acknowledging the father. These verses even go as far as saying that, by Thomas knowing Jesus, he has already known Jehovah.
So... this makes the view of Jesus' deity, or lack thereof, of great importance. If Jesus is not an angel or archangel (see Hebrews 1:5-9), as JW's claim, their view may keep Witnesses from the way (as described by Jesus) to Jehovah. I can't say for sure. Just some food for thought.
And again, do you have any retorts of my posts on oft-witnessed Jehovah Witness pride, regarding their alleged following of "the whole bible," when the holy spirit, through the apostles, stated that the old covenant, i.e., the old testament, was wrong? What about the mystical scriptures I posted, along with a definition of mysticism, is it not valid? And your organization's focus on "the letter," which kills, rather than "the spirit," which gives life, according to Paul, is that biblical?
Let me know, by going through each scripture I have posted and showing, with the bible, how you or your organization interprets these.
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Do not take this as a personal attack. Rather just one trying to make you aware of what it really means to Know Jesus according to his own words. It appears that Jesus is only in league with those who do his Father's will. You Don't want to know Jehovah, according to your own words. So tell me, how do you know Jesus?
- If one does not live according to Jesus ways, how can you know him? You've heard of him, but knowing him requires action, according to mathew 7:22,23.
Apostasy Definition:Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.
Catholics turned from God, based on the fact that they have the completed Bible and do not adhere. That does not mean that their bible, or scriptures in it are fraudulent.
I am admitedly not that verse in the inner specifics of how the NWT came to be. What I do know is that a very prominent Greek scholar,
Jason David BeDuhn, said in 2003 that it is the most accurate bible on earth.
If what you say is true, as far as the Bible is concerned, this verse is a blatant contradiction to that sentiment. How can all scripture be beneficial if the old testament was wrong? It would have been a ginormous waste of time to even pen it, for that matter. The consensus is then, that the old testament does have relevance, and is equally as important for Christians as the new testament. Which is why Jesus and the Apostles quoted the old testament so much.
Again, the bible makes much more sense when I listen to it, than when I listen to your philosophical viewpoint of it.
Law of God to Israel—The Law of Moses. Jehovah gave Israel the Law through Moses as mediator, in the Wilderness of Sinai, 1513 B.C.E. At the inauguration of the Law at Mount Horeb there was an awe-inspiring demonstration of Jehovah’s power. (Ex 19:16-19; 20:18-21; Heb 12:18-21, 25, 26) The covenant was validated by the blood of bulls and goats. The people presented communion offerings, and they heard the book of the covenant read to them, after which they agreed to be obedient to all that Jehovah had spoken. Many of the earlier patriarchal laws were incorporated in the Law given through Moses.—Ex 24:3-8; Heb 9:15-21; see COVENANT.
The first five books of the Bible (Genesis through Deuteronomy) are often referred to as the Law. Sometimes this term is used with reference to the entire inspired Hebrew Scriptures. Generally, however, the Jews considered the entire Hebrew Scriptures to be composed of three sections, “the law of Moses,” “the Prophets,” and “Psalms.” (Lu 24:44) Commands that came through the prophets were binding upon Israel.
Jehovah was identified in the Law as absolute Sovereign and also as King in a special way. Since Jehovah was both God and King of Israel, disobedience to the Law was both a religious offense and lèse-majesté, an offense against the Head of State, which in this case was against the King Jehovah. David, Solomon, and their successors on the throne of Judah were said to sit on “Jehovah’s throne.” (1Ch 29:23) Human kings and rulers in Israel were bound by the Law, and when they became despotic they were law violators accountable to God. (1Sa 15:22, 23) Kingship and priesthood were separate, this separation constituting a balance of power and a safeguard against tyranny. It kept the Israelites ever mindful that Jehovah was their God and real King. Each individual’s relationship to God and to his fellowman was defined by the Law, and each individual could approach God through the priestly arrangement.
Under the Law, the Israelites could have become “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” (Ex 19:5, 6) The Law’s demands of exclusive devotion to Jehovah, its absolute prohibition of any form of interfaith, and its regulations concerning religious cleanness and diet constituted a “wall” to keep the nation outstandingly separate from other nations. (Eph 2:14) A Jew could hardly enter a Gentile tent or house or eat with Gentiles without becoming religiously unclean. In fact, when Jesus was on earth, even entering a Gentile house or building was thought to make a Jew unclean. (Joh 18:28; Ac 10:28) The sanctity of life and the dignity and honor of the family, of marriage, of person, were protected. Additional effects, which could be considered incidental to the religious separation that the Law covenant accomplished, were the health benefits and the protection from diseases common to the nations around the Israelites. The laws of moral cleanness, physical sanitation, and diet undoubtedly had a salutary effect when they were obeyed.
But the real purpose of the Law was, as stated by the apostle Paul, “to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive.” It was a “tutor leading to Christ.” It pointed to Christ as the objective aimed at (“Christ is the end of the Law”). It revealed that all humans, including the Jews, are under sin and that life cannot be obtained by “works of law.” (Ga 3:19-24; Ro 3:20; 10:4) It was “spiritual,” from God, and “holy.” (Ro 7:12, 14) At Ephesians 2:15 it is called “the Law of commandments consisting in decrees.” It was a standard of perfection, marking the one who could keep it as perfect, worthy of life. (Le 18:5; Ga 3:12) Since imperfect humans could not keep the Law, it showed that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Ro 3:23) Only Jesus Christ kept it blamelessly.—Joh 8:46; Heb 7:26.
The Law also served as “a shadow of the good things to come,” and things connected with it were “typical representations,” causing Jesus and the apostles to call upon it often to explain heavenly things and matters concerning Christian doctrine and conduct. Therefore, it provides an essential and necessary field of study for the Christian.—Heb 10:1; 9:23.
Jesus said that the whole Law hung upon the two commandments, to love God and to love one’s neighbor. (Mt 22:35-40) It is interesting that in the book of Deuteronomy (where the Law was modified somewhat to govern Israel’s new circumstances upon settling in the Promised Land) the Hebrew words for “love,” “loved,” and so forth, appear more than 20 times.
The Ten Words (Ex 34:28), or the Ten Commandments, were the basic part of the Law but were combined with about 600 other laws, all of which were of equal force and binding power upon the Israelites. (Jas 2:10) The first four of the Ten Commandments defined man’s relationship to God; the fifth, to God and to parents; and the last five, to one’s fellowman. These last five were named in apparent order of severity of harm done to one’s fellowman: murder, adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, and covetousness or selfish desire. The tenth commandment makes the Law unique in comparison with the laws of all other nations in that it prohibits selfish desire, a command in reality enforceable only by God. It actually got at the cause of violation of all the other commandments.—Ex 20:2-17; De 5:6-21; compare Eph 5:5; Col 3:5; Jas 1:14, 15; 1Jo 2:15-17.
The Law contained many principles and guiding statutes. The judges were given latitude to investigate and consider motives and attitude of violators, along with the circumstances surrounding the violation. A deliberate, disrespectful, or unrepentant violator received the full penalty. (Nu 15:30, 31) In other cases a lighter judgment might be determined. For example, whereas a murderer was to be put to death without fail, an accidental manslayer could receive mercy. (Nu 35:15, 16) The owner of a bull that habitually gored people and that killed a man might die; or the judges might impose a ransom. (Ex 21:29-32) The difference between a deliberate thief and a wrongdoer who voluntarily confessed evidently accounts for the difference between the penalty stated at Exodus 22:7 and that of Leviticus 6:1-7.
This explains why Paul would say in Hebrew 8:13 the law is obsolete.
Now let's see if Christians were bound by 'rules' since the law is obsolete.
“Law of the Christ.” Paul wrote: “Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and thus fulfill the law of the Christ.” (Ga 6:2) While the Law covenant was terminated at Pentecost, 33 C.E. (“since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law”; Heb 7:12), Christians come “under law toward Christ.” (1Co 9:21) This law is called “the perfect law that belongs to freedom,” “the law of a free people,” “the law of faith.” (Jas 1:25; 2:12; Ro 3:27) Such a new law had been foretold by God through the prophet Jeremiah when he spoke of a new covenant and the writing of his law on the hearts of his people.—Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:6-13.
Like Moses, the mediator of the Law covenant, Jesus Christ is Mediator of the new covenant. Moses wrote the Law in code form, but Jesus did not personally put a law down in writing. He talked and put his law into the minds and hearts of his disciples. Neither did his disciples set down laws in the form of a code for Christians, classifying the laws into categories and subheadings. Nonetheless, the Christian Greek Scriptures are full of laws, commands, and decrees that the Christian is bound to observe.—Re 14:12; 1Jo 5:2, 3; 4:21; 3:22-24; 2Jo 4-6; Joh 13:34, 35; 14:15; 15:14.
Jesus gave instruction to his disciples to preach the ‘good news of the kingdom.’ His command is found at Matthew 10:1-42; Luke 9:1-6; 10:1-12. At Matthew 28:18-20 a new command was given to Jesus’ disciples to go, not to the Jews only, but to all nations, to make disciples and baptize them with a new baptism, “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” Thus, with divine authorization Jesus taught and issued commands while on earth (Ac 1:1, 2) as well as after his ascension. (Ac 9:5, 6; Re 1:1-3) The entire book of Revelation consists of prophecies, commands, admonition, and instruction to the Christian congregation.
The “law of the Christ” covers the whole course and scope of the Christian’s life and work. By the help of God’s spirit the Christian can follow the commands in order to be judged favorably by that law, for it is “the law of that spirit which gives life in union with Christ Jesus.”—Ro 8:2, 4.
So you are wrong. Christians do have rules according to the bible. There will always be guidelines as to how Jehovah chosses to be worshipped. Stepping outside of that boundary is breaking the rules of true worship. There is no way around it, God has rules we must follow to be considered righteous. Period. End of discussion.
Animal Life: Lev. 11:6: “The hare . . . is a chewer of the cud.” Though this was long attacked by some critics, the rabbit’s cud chewing was finally observed by Englishman William Cowper in the 18th century. The unusual way in which it is done was described in 1940 in Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London, Vol. 110, Series A, pp. 159-163.
Chewing of cud refers to the rumination process. Rabbits are not ruminants, they do not chew their cud. This is false. The bible is false.
Some hares will quickly eat their droppings to assist in digestion. This is not chewing cud. Pigs do this as well. Yet the bible says:
Lv:11:7: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
So obviously the bible is not referring to this. Nope. The bible is still scientifically inaccurate. Sorry.
You really need to begin researching facts on your own. Copying from JW literature and creationist "science" literature, like those from Michael Behe, are inaccurate, sloppy science at best, and sometimes just bald faced lies. Doesn't it bother you or make you question your position when it must be supported by lies or purposeful misrepresentations of the truth?
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The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society joined the United Nations in 1992, despite calling the United Nations "the wild beast." When Jehovah's Witnesses confronted the Watchtower Society about this, the leaders were afraid of losing members, so they applied to be removed from the United Nations in 2001.
The Watchtower Society falsely predicted the end of the world 10 times, and Luke 21:8 warns people about false prediction.
The Watchtower Society altered its blood policy/organ transplant policy/small pox vaccine policy on dozens of occasions.
The above quotes are irrefutable proof.
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The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society defined the word "cult" for all
Jehovah's Witnesses and non-Witnesses to see in their February 15, 1994 edition of the Watchtower Magazine.
Let's see if the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society fits its definition of a cult.
"Cult members often isolate themselves from family, friends, and even society in general."
(The Watchtower, February 15, 1994, pp. 6-7)
The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society practices shunning(ex-communication of family, friends, and former witnesses), disfellowshipping(removal of the Congregation), and the Jehovah's Witness children are discouraged from engaging in afterschool activities with "worldly" non-Witness children.
"Listen! "it is expected" that you will have no
extra-curricular activities outside of the Watchtower. Such activity is a "danger" and "worldly". Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry 1983, p. 133.
"Children should get away from disfellowshipped parents as soon as they are old enough to leave." (Watchtower, 11/15/52, p. 703. )
"If a child of someone is disfellowshipped from the Kingdom Hall, the parent is to refuse to listen to the child's reason."( Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making1972, p. 173.)
"Disfellowshipped children, legally of age will be kicked out of the home." (Watchtower, 11/15/52, p. 703. )
You are reminded that involvement in after-school sports tie you down, requiring you to spend evenings and weekends playing on a school team. You are expected to be at the lectures at the Kingdom Hall. "Any recreation you take outside of school should not be with worldly youths." Watchtower, 9/1/64, p.535.
"Cheerleaders lead people into "frenzied cheering ... hero worship ... glorifying humans." School and Jehovah's Witnesses, 1983, pp.23-24. Never become a homecoming queen! This would 'set up womanhood upon a pedestal." Watchtower, 6/15/64, p.381.
"In fact, the month Of May of Mother's Day is understood to be named after Maia, a demon worshiped by the pagans. . . . "' (Awake 5/8/1956, p. 25)
"We all need to face up to the fact that Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah, the God of truth. Then what is their source? ... Satan the Devil."(WT 12/15/1983, p. 7)
"No Jehovah's Witness should want to go to college." Watchtower,9/1/75, p.543; Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, 1977, p. 105..
"Do not pursue higher education." Watchtower 3/15/1969, p. 171
"If a JW joins another religion, an announcement is made to the congregation to stop associating with him." (WT 10/15/1986 p.31)
"If someone used to be a Jehovah's Witness, "We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme ~ active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." Watchtower, 10/1/52, p.599.
"The real danger of playing chess is it's military nature, the equivalent of the maneuvers enacted by little boys with toy soldiers." Awake !, 3/22/73, pp.12-14.
Luke 21: 8
"He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them."
“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father."
Watchtower Bible & Tract Society's failed predictions: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1941, 1975, 1994, 1995-present(the end is "imminent," or near).
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" the generation of 1914 -- the generation that will not pass away." -- The Watchtower May 15, 1984, pages 6-7
Watchtower Society backpedals:
"Wt, 11/1/1995, pg 19, Therefore, in the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy today, “this generation” apparently refers to the peoples of the earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways."
What does Charles Taze Russell say?
"New light never contradicts old light." Zion's Watchtower 1881
If that's the case, then nothing should have contradicted the generation of 1914 "that will not pass" prediction.
"gathering time beginning October 1874; the organization of the Kingdom and the taking by our Lord of his great power as the King in April 1878, and the time of trouble or "day of wrath" which began October 1874 and will end October 1914 -- Watchtower 1908, page 604
Zion’s Watchtower, 7/15/1906, pg 3821, reprint
"the truths I present[Charles Taze Russell], as God’s mouthpiece"
Watchtower, 1/15/1959, pg 40, 41..."Jehovah thrust out his hand of power and touched their[governing body] lips and put his word in their mouths."
Wt, 10/15/1980, pg 17"God gives his humble servants[governing body] special knowledge that others do not have... having advance knowledge from Jehovah, his servants are equipped"
Aw, 5/22/1969, pg 15"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. .....all evidence indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ....as a young person you will never fulfill any career that this system offers."
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Definition:Individuals and organizations proclaiming messages that they attribute to a superhuman source but that do not originate with the true God and are not in harmony with his revealed will.Howcan true prophets and false ones be identified?
Trueprophets make known their faith in Jesus, but more is required than claiming to preach in his name
1 John 4:1-3: “Test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world. You gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God.”
Matt. 7:21-23: “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name . . . ?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
Trueprophets speak in the name of God, but merely claiming to represent him is not enough
Deut. 18:18-20: “A prophet I shall raise up for them from the midst of their brothers, like you [like Moses]; and I shall indeed put my words in his mouth, and he will certainly speak to them all that I shall command him. And it must occur that the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name, I shall myself require an account from him. However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die.” (Compare Jeremiah 14:14; 28:11, 15.)
Jesus said: “I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.” (John 8:28) He said: “I have come in the name of my Father.” (John 5:43) Jesus also said: “He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory.”—John 7:18.
If any individuals or organizations claim to represent God but decline to use God’s personal name, and make it a practice to express their own opinions on matters, are they measuring up to this important qualification of a true prophet?
Abilityto perform “great signs,” or “miracles,” is not necessarily proof of a true prophet
Matt. 24:24: “False Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs [“miracles,” TEV] and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.”
2 Thess. 2:9, 10: “The lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.”
On the other hand, Moses performed miracles at Jehovah’s direction. (Ex. 4:1-9) Jehovah also empowered Jesus to perform miracles. (Acts 2:22) But more than the miracles gave evidence that God had truly sent them.
Whattrue prophets foretell comes to pass, but they may not understand just when or how it will be
Dan. 12:9: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end.”
1 Pet. 1:10, 11: “The prophets . . . kept on investigating what particular season or what sort of season the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ when it was bearing witness beforehand about the sufferings for Christ and about the glories to follow these.”
1 Cor. 13:9, 10: “We have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with.”
Prov. 4:18: “The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.”
The apostles and other early Christian disciples had certain wrong expectations, but the Bible does not classify them with the “false prophets.”—See Luke 19:11; John 21:22, 23; Acts 1:6, 7.
Nathan the prophet encouraged King David to go ahead with what was in his heart regarding the building of a house for Jehovah’s worship. But later Jehovah told Nathan to inform David that he was not the one who would build it. Jehovah did not reject Nathan for what he had said earlier but continued to use him because he humbly corrected the matter when Jehovah made it plain to him.—1 Chron. 17:1-4, 15.
Thepronouncements of a true prophet promote true worship and are in harmony with God’s revealed will
Deut. 13:1-4: “In case a prophet or a dreamer of a dream arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a portent, and the sign or the portent does come true of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us walk after other gods, whom you have not known, and let us serve them,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or to the dreamer of that dream, because Jehovah your God is testing you to know whether you are loving Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul. After Jehovah your God you should walk, and him you should fear, and his commandments you should keep, and to his voice you should listen, and him you should serve, and to him you should cling.”
Since the Bible says that “a friend of the world” is an enemy of God, are clergymen who urge their parishioners to get involved in the affairs of the world promoting true worship? (Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15-17) The true God said that the nations “will have to know that I am Jehovah,” and the Bible states that God would take out of the nations “a people for his name,” but are religious organizations that minimize the importance of using God’s personal name acting in harmony with this revealed will of God? (Ezek. 38:23; Acts 15:14) Jesus taught his followers to pray for God’s Kingdom, and the Bible cautions against putting one’s trust in earthling men, so are clergymen or political organizations that urge people to place their confidence in human rulership true prophets?—Matt. 6:9, 10; Ps. 146:3-6; compare Revelation 16:13, 14.
Trueprophets and the false can be recognized by the fruitage manifest in their lives and the lives of those who follow them
Matt. 7:15-20: “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. . . . Every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit . . . Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men.”
What characterizes their way of life? “The works of the flesh are . . . fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. . . . Those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom. On the other hand, the fruitage of [God’s] spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.”—Gal. 5:19-23; see also 2 Peter 2:1-3.
Have not Jehovah’s Witnesses made errors in their teachings?
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets. They have made mistakes. Like the apostles of Jesus Christ, they have at times had some wrong expectations.—Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6.
The Scriptures provide time elements related to Christ’s presence, and Jehovah’s Witnesses have studied these with keen interest. (Luke 21:24; Dan. 4:10-17) Jesus also described a many-featured sign that would tie in with the fulfillment of time prophecies to identify the generation that would live to see the end of Satan’s wicked system of things. (Luke 21:7-36) Jehovah’s Witnesses have pointed to evidence in fulfillment of this sign. It is true that the Witnesses have made mistakes in their understanding of what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but they have not made the mistake of losing faith or ceasing to be watchful as to fulfillment of Jehovah’s purposes. They have continued to keep to the fore in their thinking the counsel given by Jesus: “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.”—Matt. 24:42.
Matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed have been relatively minor when compared with the vital Bible truths that they have discerned and publicized. Among these are the following: Jehovah is the only true God. Jesus Christ is not part of a Trinitarian godhead but is the only-begotten Son of God. Redemption from sin is possible only through faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice. The holy spirit is not a person but is Jehovah’s active force, and its fruitage must be evident in the lives of true worshipers. The human soul is not immortal, as the ancient pagans claimed; it dies, and the hope for future life is in the resurrection. God’s permission of wickedness has been because of the issue of universal sovereignty. God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind. Since 1914 we have been living in the last days of the global wicked system of things. Only 144,000 faithful Christians will be kings and priests with Christ in heaven, whereas the rest of obedient mankind will receive eternal life on a paradise earth.
Another factor to consider regarding the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: Have these truly uplifted people morally? Are those who adhere to these teachings outstanding in their communities because of their honesty? Is their family life beneficially influenced by applying these teachings? Jesus said that his disciples would be readily identified because of having love among themselves. (John 13:35) Is this quality outstanding among Jehovah’s Witnesses? We let the facts speak for themselves.
And yes, Jesus is the way to God, because as 1tim 2:5 says : For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus
If there is God, and there is man, and Jesus as the mediator in the middle of the two parties, would Jesus being God, in the trinity setting, effectively offset his part as the mediator, or seperate party? Of course it would. This alone should tell people he cannot be God. But alas, not everyone chooses to use common logic when it comes to the bible.
How about Colossians 1:15? (Jesus)[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] If Jesus is a creature, who then Created him? Bible says God has always been, no creator involved. Both of these scriptures give strong evidence to Jesus not being the Ultimate God. Along with many, many others.
Try this one on for size Mat 28:18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth
Excuse me? Almighty God needs to have authority 'given' to him? Since when does need anything? Why would Jesus, who is God to 95% of the Christian Faiths worldwide, need someone else to bestow authority upon him? That makes sense? Again, all three of these verses give strong evidence to the contrary. Along with your verses in Hebrews as well. So the theme of the bible seems to be telling us that Jehovah is God, Jesus is his son, and while being called a Mighty god, he is never refered to as Almighty God. That reservation is held for Jehovah alone. And they are two very distinctly different individuals.
Therefore, if one claims to know Jesus, but believes him to be God, is their claim biblically validated? Not according to the theme of the bible.
And again, rabbits are not ruminants. They do not chew their cud. Bible is false. Sorry.
I am not with the JWs, but I became attracted to this forum through Google by the many false statements being made about Charles Taze Russell. Russel was never associated with the JW organization. Nevertheless, Russell did not believe in, and actually preached against the kind of organization that Rutherford created after Russell died.
Russell did not believe in the kind of alleged "good news" (gospel) that the JWs preach. He also preached against similar kinds of alleged gospels that were being preached in his day.
There are tens of thousands of pages that are available that have been produced from Russell's works. I have been studying his works (as well as the works of many others) for about 50 years now, and am quite familiar to most of what Russell taught, and when. Often many things that the JWs preach are retroactively attributed to Russell, when in actuality Russell may have taught the opposite, or nearly the opposite, of what the JWs teach.
The main focus of Russell's ministry was the defense of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus and helping others to christ-likeness. Russell did not believe in the "end of the world" as the JWs preach nor in the JW-type of Armageddon. He was not trying to save as many as possible for any alleged eternal destruction in Armageddon. He viewed Armageddon as period of time -- the time of trouble -- in which the peoples of the nations were to disciplined in preparation for the blessings of the kingdom that was to follow. Russell was not expecting an Armageddon like the JWs preach; he was not expecting an Armageddon that would eternally destroy millions of unbelievers.
Russell was a non-sectarian, who did not believe in sects or denominations such as the Jehovah's Witnesses. Russell was associated with the Bible Students movement, but he at least endeavored to keep the Bible Students from becoming sectarian, although he seemed to have failed to realized that the movement was becoming sectarian.
Although he did not condone sects and denominations, he recognized that Christians were to be found amongst all the various denominations that claim to be Christian. He believed, however, that Christians should be free from all sects in order to serve Christ only. He refused to recognize any central authority in the church except Jesus and the apostles through the Bible.
God willing, I will be posting more in order to address some of things that are being said about Russell.
All I know is there is nothing you or anyone could say about bible prophecies happening in our day! Other than close your eys and stomp your feet and say it ain't happening.