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    Default Top 10 contradictions of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society

    10. Jehovah's Witnesses are against abortion, but they support denying babies life saving blood transfusions.
    "With you is the source of life.Psalm 36:9(New World Translation)Life, then, is a gift from God."
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    "Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."
    Acts 15:19-20(New World Translation)
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    9. Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions, but as of 2000 support receiving and donating "fractional blood." Where's the quote where Jehovah says blood is bad, unless it's fractional? I do not know.
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    According to the JW's history, they willingly accepted and donated blood until 1945.


    8. Charles Taze Russell, the Watchtower Society, and many members of the Jehovah's Witnesses have made a combined 10 false end of the world predictions: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1941, 1975, and 1994, but they claim the "governing body" is the mouthpiece for Jehovah God.

    7. The Jehovah's Witnesses(Est. 1881) claim to be "God's channel" yet 90% of their beliefs are the same as the Seventh-Day Adventist's beliefs(Est. 1844).
    Ex: SDA's(Est. 1844) believe salvation is through works and faith; JW's(1881) believe the exact same thing. SDA's(Est. 1844) believe Jesus is the archangel Michael; JW's(Est. 1881) believe the exact same thing. SDA's believe holidays are of pagan origin; JW's believe the exact same thing. SDA's believe Hell is not real; JW's believe the same thing. SDA's believe they are the only true Christians; JW's believe the same thing.

    6. Jehovah's Witnesses believe everyone outside of their religion is "worldly" and "under the power of Satan" yet they work in Government jobs, attend public school, and eat at fast food restaurants.

    5. Jehovah's Witnesses are against Catholicism, yet from 1960 to 1983, the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body used a Catholic Spirit Medium(Johannes Greber's) interpretation of the Bible to support their New World Translation.
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    4. Jehovah's Witnesses claim they do not support judging others:
    "Jesus said that we should not be judging one another."
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    Yet in their April 15, 2008 study edition of their Watchtower Magazine, it says the following: "Another example of valueless words is found among the leaders of Christendom. Those claim to speak in God's name, but most of their utterances are not based on the Scriptures, and what they are saying is basically worthless. In other words, the governing body believes what the other denominations (Catholics, SDA's, Mormons, Baptists, Pentecostals) have to say is worthless.
    The April 15, 2008 study edition of the Watchtower Magazine goes on to say: "Apostates too speak valuless words."

    3. Jehovah's Witnesses claim you can come and leave the Jehovah's Witnesses as you please, but the governing body disfellowships people from their entire family, friends, spouses, and children if they choose to no longer believe or join another Christian denomination.

    2. Most Jehovah's Witnesses will claim they are not brainwashed.
    However, the Watchtower Society supports brainwashing.
    "A musician who had lived the unreal life on drugs began studying the Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses. His associates ridiculed him, taunting "You are being brainwashed." He aptly[appropriately] replied: The shape our brains are in, they need a good washing."
    Watchtower, March 15, 1973 Page 186-187 Paragraph 27

    1. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the "only true Christians" and
    "the only right religion." They even believe all other non-witnesses and religions are under the power of Satan. Yet, at the same time, when you point out their failed predictions & their child molestation incidents, they claim to not be perfect.


    Most Witnesses are unaware of this, however, the first President of the Jehovah's Witnesses was "William Henry Conley."

    Q: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses deny William Henry Conley was their first president?

    A: William Henry Conley stopped believing in Russell's teachings, after his failed prophecies in 1874, 1878, and 1881. AND Conley donated money to non-Witness denominations.

    That's right, folks. The very first President of the Jehovah's Witnesses chose to no longer believe in the Jehovah's Witness religion, after he had discovered Charles Taze Russell scammed him out of 1,000s of dollars in "donations" that he gave after being told Armageddon would come in 1881. In 1882, Conley stopped handing Russell donations, and his name was mysteriously no longer listed as the first president of the Watchtower.
    Yet they are "the only true Christians."

    In addition, Conley donated money to Christian denominations that Jehovah's Witnesses of today claim are "false and part of "Christendom."
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    Jesus said in Mathew 7:21
    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

    Find another group of Christians that adhere to doing Jesus' Fathers will, and you have found the "True Christians"

    Oh, don't worry, smary guy, I'll wait!

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    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

    - Albert Einstein

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

    - Albert Einstein
    Einstein will probably get the reward of a ressurection and realize he wasnt as smart as he thought.

    Jesus frame of mind >>>>>>> Einsteins

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Einstein will probably get the reward of a ressurection and realize he wasnt as smart as he thought.

    Jesus frame of mind >>>>>>> Einsteins
    At least Einstein knew a whale was a mammal and not a fish.

    Einstein knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus knowledge

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    At least Einstein knew a whale was a mammal and not a fish.

    Einstein knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> Jesus knowledge
    Lol.. U cant be serious.

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    Life on the line, more relevant info, knowledge that a whale is a mammal, or knowledge of the one who can save you from death? Sigh.. I already know ur answer.

    The bible is not a text book for science. Fish, is more easily related to those in Jesus day, rather than mammal. If you take a whale outta water, it appears to be a big fish. Straw man tactics.

    Jesus helped create the universe. His knowledge is infinitely higher than Albert's. For real.

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    100% dead serious. Einstein's knowledge is far superior to most humans living now, and especially superior to any human living 2000 years ago. Jesus was a human. Nothing more.

    Just like all humans that lived 2000 years ago, they didn't know the difference between a mammal, a bird and a fish. They just figured everything that swam in the water that looked like a fish, was a fish. Everything that flew was a bird. Same reason, as stated earlier, the bible calls a bat a bird, and that a rabbit chews it's cud and all insects have 4 legs. Because the bible was written by ancient people with little understanding of the natural world.

    Jesus called a whale a fish. Because he was a human with little understanding of the natural world. He thought a man could live in the belly of a fish, because he believed the bible stories, because he was human. Jesus didn't know Noah's arc and Adam and Eve are impossible stories because he was a human.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    100% dead serious. Einstein's knowledge is far superior to most humans living now, and especially superior to any human living 2000 years ago. Jesus was a human. Nothing more.

    Just like all humans that lived 2000 years ago, they didn't know the difference between a mammal, a bird and a fish. They just figured everything that swam in the water that looked like a fish, was a fish. Everything that flew was a bird. Same reason, as stated earlier, the bible calls a bat a bird, and that a rabbit chews it's cud and all insects have 4 legs. Because the bible was written by ancient people with little understanding of the natural world.

    Jesus called a whale a fish. Because he was a human with little understanding of the natural world. He thought a man could live in the belly of a fish, because he believed the bible stories, because he was human. Jesus didn't know Noah's arc and Adam and Eve are impossible stories because he was a human.
    Yea, he was human. But before that, he was the angel spoken of in rev 18. Which means he had a hand in creation. Again, the point of the bible was to introduce humanity to God, so that we can be led to our maker. Not to decipher mammal from fish. That tidbit of info is irrelevant biblically. Thats what keeps escaping you. Life on the line, knowledge of whale being a mammal vs a fish, or knowledge of the one whom even death cannot hold? Thats what the bible is about, saving lives. Not mountains of irrelvant info.

    That said, when Jesus died, over 500 people seen him raised up. He took on different forms of people, then finally himself, with piercings from his death. Then he flew away before witnesses. Was he human?

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    10. Jehovah's Witnesses are against abortion, but they support denying babies life saving blood transfusions.
    "With you is the source of life.Psalm 36:9(New World Translation)Life, then, is a gift from God."
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    "Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."
    Acts 15:19-20(New World Translation)
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    9. Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions, but as of 2000 support receiving and donating "fractional blood." Where's the quote where Jehovah says blood is bad, unless it's fractional? I do not know.
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    According to the JW's history, they willingly accepted and donated blood until 1945.


    8. Charles Taze Russell, the Watchtower Society, and many members of the Jehovah's Witnesses have made a combined 10 false end of the world predictions: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1941, 1975, and 1994, but they claim the "governing body" is the mouthpiece for Jehovah God.

    7. The Jehovah's Witnesses(Est. 1881) claim to be "God's channel" yet 90% of their beliefs are the same as the Seventh-Day Adventist's beliefs(Est. 1844).
    Ex: SDA's(Est. 1844) believe salvation is through works and faith; JW's(1881) believe the exact same thing. SDA's(Est. 1844) believe Jesus is the archangel Michael; JW's(Est. 1881) believe the exact same thing. SDA's believe holidays are of pagan origin; JW's believe the exact same thing. SDA's believe Hell is not real; JW's believe the same thing. SDA's believe they are the only true Christians; JW's believe the same thing.

    6. Jehovah's Witnesses believe everyone outside of their religion is "worldly" and "under the power of Satan" yet they work in Government jobs, attend public school, and eat at fast food restaurants.

    5. Jehovah's Witnesses are against Catholicism, yet from 1960 to 1983, the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body used a Catholic Spirit Medium(Johannes Greber's) interpretation of the Bible to support their New World Translation.
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    4. Jehovah's Witnesses claim they do not support judging others:
    "Jesus said that we should not be judging one another."
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    Yet in their April 15, 2008 study edition of their Watchtower Magazine, it says the following: "Another example of valueless words is found among the leaders of Christendom. Those claim to speak in God's name, but most of their utterances are not based on the Scriptures, and what they are saying is basically worthless. In other words, the governing body believes what the other denominations (Catholics, SDA's, Mormons, Baptists, Pentecostals) have to say is worthless.
    The April 15, 2008 study edition of the Watchtower Magazine goes on to say: "Apostates too speak valuless words."

    3. Jehovah's Witnesses claim you can come and leave the Jehovah's Witnesses as you please, but the governing body disfellowships people from their entire family, friends, spouses, and children if they choose to no longer believe or join another Christian denomination.

    2. Most Jehovah's Witnesses will claim they are not brainwashed.
    However, the Watchtower Society supports brainwashing.
    "A musician who had lived the unreal life on drugs began studying the Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses. His associates ridiculed him, taunting "You are being brainwashed." He aptly[appropriately] replied: The shape our brains are in, they need a good washing."
    Watchtower, March 15, 1973 Page 186-187 Paragraph 27

    1. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the "only true Christians" and
    "the only right religion." They even believe all other non-witnesses and religions are under the power of Satan. Yet, at the same time, when you point out their failed predictions & their child molestation incidents, they claim to not be perfect.


    Most Witnesses are unaware of this, however, the first President of the Jehovah's Witnesses was "William Henry Conley."

    Q: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses deny William Henry Conley was their first president?

    A: William Henry Conley stopped believing in Russell's teachings, after his failed prophecies in 1874, 1878, and 1881. AND Conley donated money to non-Witness denominations.

    That's right, folks. The very first President of the Jehovah's Witnesses chose to no longer believe in the Jehovah's Witness religion, after he had discovered Charles Taze Russell scammed him out of 1,000s of dollars in "donations" that he gave after being told Armageddon would come in 1881. In 1882, Conley stopped handing Russell donations, and his name was mysteriously no longer listed as the first president of the Watchtower.
    Yet they are "the only true Christians."

    In addition, Conley donated money to Christian denominations that Jehovah's Witnesses of today claim are "false and part of "Christendom."

    Well researched. A lot more to being a Jehovah's Witness, than just going to church, as you masterfully demonstrate in this post.

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    Like I said earlier, you find a more faithful, united group of Christians, who adhere to the bible than JW, then u have a case. Otherwise it's pointless to try and demean them.

    As with time, new light is shed on scriptural basis. When those in Jesus day asked if he was here to destroy the heathen and usher in God's kingdom, he kindly let them know it was not time. But he never said they were not Christians for having a wrong thought. So why should jw be any dif? So long as they continue to adhere to bible principals, and live according to God, are they any less his witnesses?

    Find a group of christians who do Gods will more fully than Jehovah's witnesses... Im still waiting....

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Like I said earlier, you find a more faithful, united group of Christians, who adhere to the bible than JW, then u have a case. Otherwise it's pointless to try and demean them.

    As with time, new light is shed on scriptural basis. When those in Jesus day asked if he was here to destroy the heathen and usher in God's kingdom, he kindly let them know it was not time. But he never said they were not Christians for having a wrong thought. So why should jw be any dif? So long as they continue to adhere to bible principals, and live according to God, are they any less his witnesses?

    Find a group of christians who do Gods will more fully than Jehovah's witnesses... Im still waiting....
    I refer you to ABCD's JW's contradiction #1.

    • 1. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the "only true Christians" and "the only right religion." They even believe all other non-witnesses and religions are under the power of Satan. Yet, at the same time, when you point out their failed predictions & their child molestation incidents, they claim to not be perfect.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Yea, he was human. But before that, he was the angel spoken of in rev 18. Which means he had a hand in creation. Again, the point of the bible was to introduce humanity to God, so that we can be led to our maker. Not to decipher mammal from fish. That tidbit of info is irrelevant biblically. Thats what keeps escaping you. Life on the line, knowledge of whale being a mammal vs a fish, or knowledge of the one whom even death cannot hold? Thats what the bible is about, saving lives. Not mountains of irrelvant info.

    That said, when Jesus died, over 500 people seen him raised up. He took on different forms of people, then finally himself, with piercings from his death. Then he flew away before witnesses. Was he human?
    The bible can't even agree whether or not there were witnesses. Each book has a different account. Who was there, how many people, if the tomb was empty, the time of day, etc. You would think there would have been some consistency with the most important day in christianity. Can't even get that straight.

    If the book was to lead people to god, wouldn't giving false information make it seem less credible? Give something not known at the time that would have helped people would have brought more people to god than perpetuating ignorance.

    For example, telling people disease is from tiny creatures too small to see (bacteria) instead of saying disease comes from demons, as Jesus did, and just giving simple information about washing hands and sterilizing could prevent diseases from spreading.

    Doing this could have saved millions of lives at the time and advanced human knowledge by generations. Spreading knowledge that would have actually helped human society instead of perpetuating ignorance and easily avoidable death.

    Wouldn't doing this have been more convincing to not only people at that time, but also people of today, and have been more successful at bringing them to god? Much more convicing than stories of miracles that every human invented god known to man had performed.

    Giving knowledge that helped humans instead of spreading ignorance that hurt people would have brought more people to god. And if the bible's purpose was to bring people to god, then it f*cked up big time in that department. I don't know, you would think god would have seen this. Being all knowing, all seeing and all powerful.

    Jesus calling disease demons, and whales fish, and talking about a man living inside a fish, or Noah's Arc just proves he was nothing more than a human being living 2000 years ago. Nothing more.

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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    I refer you to ABCD's JW's contradiction #1.

    • 1. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the "only true Christians" and "the only right religion." They even believe all other non-witnesses and religions are under the power of Satan. Yet, at the same time, when you point out their failed predictions & their child molestation incidents, they claim to not be perfect.
    Ive already answered that. Perfection does not need to be mentioned here, because that is not the reason JW are biblically considered True Christians. They are such because as a whole, they live to do Gods will unlike any other group on earth.

    Some in individuals have engaged in misconduct, which have brought them consequences.

    As a whole, no other group followed biblical guidliness they way jw do.

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    Jesus was a human being with Bi-polar I disorder. He is the classic example of Bi-polar I, with all the symptoms.

    One of my best friends has this disease. It makes perfect sense.

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