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    Rumor Brace Yourself: Carmelo N-O-T coming to the KNICKS

    We all knew this day was coming. I mean, we root for the NY Knicks, don't we? What were the odds we would have our dreams realized, and have lady fortune finally smile upon our collective faces?

    What a Christmas treat? Just in time to spoil the holidays and our good moods, huh? After the loss in CLE, it seems the cold water of reality is splashing us in the face again.

    1- Nets about to make mega deal
    2- A few teams willing to rent Melo for a title run

    Either way, Walsh will not get his man (again), and now the Knicks are stuck in the mud.

    It appears that horrific trade, sending Jared Jeffries to HOU, is coming back to haunt Donnie Walsh and NY Knicks fans again- and will be responsible for foiling the latest attempt to get this team title-ready.

    The impetus behind the deal to send Jeffries away was to get NY under the cap to make a run at Lebron James PLUS another star. Well, it didn't work and now that trade will be directly responsible for why we cannot pursue Carmelo Anthony.

    If we didn't make the trade, we would have our 1st round pick to trade this year. We would be able to grab another 1st rounder (dealing Chandler or Randolph), and thus would be able to match DEN's requirement of 2 1st round picks.

    OH freaking well.

    On to PLAN-C.

    Target Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol in the offseason. TRADE for a few pieces now (a semi-star w/ a bad contract some team wants to move, along with a backup PG and a backup C)

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    Nets structuring new deal for Anthony

    By [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Yahoo! Sports 5 hours, 14 minutes ago

    The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] are advancing on another complicated multiteam trade proposal that would likely fit [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] criteria for signing a contract extension with the Nets, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    Anthony is inclined to accept a trade and contract extension with New Jersey over his preferred choice of New York only if the Nets are able to bring back a package of significant talent with him, league sources involved in the talks said on Monday.

    So far, there are trade scenarios that include a combination of Anthony’s Denver teammates – including forward [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] – and other league players coming to the Nets.

    “The way this is structured now, the Nets will significantly upgrade their team,” said one NBA executive involved in the talks.

    Said a Western Conference executive whose team has pursued Anthony: “ ’Melo wants something similar to the Orlando deal, where he won’t have to go into New Jersey – or anywhere he’s going – without some help right away.”

    Denver’s and New Jersey’s trade partners are still unclear, but league executives said the Nets and Nuggets are tweaking several possible proposals with multiple teams. For now, New Jersey general manager Billy King is preparing to send rookie forward [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the expiring contract of [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], two or three future first-round draft picks and $3 million to Denver for minimally Anthony and Harrington. More Nuggets and Nets would likely be on the move, too.

    Center [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is the only Nets player not involved in any of the proposals, sources said.

    The Nuggets’ sudden urgency to move the unhappy Anthony is the reason more teams have been calling lately, including two contenders who are willing to chase a championship with Anthony as a rental player, a league source said. The Nuggets could do those deals without consulting Anthony, because those teams aren’t requiring a contract extension with Anthony to make the trade.

    Several executives involved in the talks believe a deal will come sooner than later. Denver has made clear to teams the bidding process will culminate long before the Feb. 24 trade deadline.


    No deal is imminent, but sources involved in the talks believe that early January is a realistic target. The [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] are still Anthony’s preferred destination, but so far there are no trade packages involving the Knicks that interest Denver. Knicks GM Donnie Walsh and Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri have been talking more in the past couple weeks, but sources said Denver officials still prefer the Nets’ multiple picks and Favors.


    Nuggets president Josh Kroenke and Ujiri haven’t spoken in two weeks with Anthony about the approval process on a trade, a source said, but they’ve proceeded with an understanding that fattening a package for the Nets will go a long way toward getting him to sign an extension. When the time comes, the Nets are planning to have owner Mikhail Prokhorov personally sell Anthony on the Nets’ future in Brooklyn beyond 2012.


    There are no teams involved in the pursuit of Anthony, including the Knicks, who believe Anthony is willing to pass on a contract extension before the trade deadline. With the owners determined to make sharp cuts into player salaries with a new collective bargaining agreement, Anthony’s willingness to accept a compromise sign-and-trade to get his three-year, $64 million extension illustrates his reluctance to enter free agency under a more restrictive salary structure.

    The Nets would need to trade point guard [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] to a third team to help bring back more talent, and somehow they have to come out of this trade with a veteran replacement. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is a possibility, but there are questions about how much longer he can perform at an elevated level. Another player the Nuggets will likely move is shooting guard [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], who has drawn interest from the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Smith is making $6 million in the final year of his contract, and would love to end up with the Bulls, sources said. So far, Denver has resisted Chicago’s overtures on Smith because it may need to include him in a larger deal with Anthony. Bulls GM Gar Forman has been calling league personnel to do more research on the temperamental Smith, sources said.


    The Nuggets and Nets had the framework of a four-team trade with Utah and Charlotte in October, but the deal ultimately fell apart. As involved as that scenario was, one executive involved in the past and present discussions described these as “a more complex, even bigger deal.”

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    I trust in Walsh.

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    Even with Melo, the Nets won't be better than us.

    Any team that goes all in to "rent" Melo 1) is dumb if they don't win it all 2) will only be helping us out by allowing us to sign as a FA

    This deal doesn't happen imo.

    We wil get him if he is moved. No worries.

    Plus when u think about it, no team that Melo realistically can go to will be better than the team he is on. And we are better especially if we add size. That said, Melo should know we are a few players from making a run. He can roll with us or get rolled over.

    Our priority still is in the size dept., without that Melo won't matter.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Even with Melo, the Nets won't be better than us.

    Any team that goes all in to "rent" Melo 1) is dumb if they don't win it all 2) will only be helping us out by allowing us to sign as a FA

    This deal doesn't happen imo.

    We wil get him if he is moved. No worries.

    Plus when u think about it, no team that Melo realistically can go to will be better than the team he is on. And we are better especially if we add size. That said, Melo should know we are a few players from making a run. He can roll with us or get rolled over.

    Our priority still is in the size dept., without that Melo won't matter.
    Who knows what other parts NETS will get. Maybe AI. Maybe Wallace? We don't know. Melo-Lopez plus a few more parts might be enough.

    Make no mistake about this, Carmelo wants to get paid. He wants that extra year and 15-20 mil he can only get if traded now and signs extension.

    He's saying he wants to be a Knick, but that will only happen if Walsh makes a deal. TRUST ME. Playing out the season and signing Melo will not happen. I highly doubt that's even a possibility.

    This russian owner and their GM will find a way to make this happen.

    Of course, you read reports like this: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and you do get the jist that Melo wants the kNicks. Maybe he's flating this story to force Walsh to make something happen.

    I believe in 2 things though:

    1- DEN will make it very difficult for the kNIcks to get Melo. Think losing Fields, Chandler, Gallo and Randolph.

    2- About 10 percent chance Melo plays out season, risks losing millions, and we sign him as a free agent in July.

    I honestly believe the only way this works out for the Knicks is if Walsh gets creative enought to get a player like Mayo back in return, along w/ Carmelo.

    I think if Knicks can end up keeping Fields, or getting a Mayo, then Knicks have a slight chance to make something work.

    BUt remember.... we rarely catch a break here. So, don't get your hopes up.
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    I don't think losing Melo to another team is the end of the world! Like I posted in another thread, there are many players that are available that can help the Knicks become a great team!! Listen you can't believe everything you read but if for some reason that does happen do not despair this is not the end of the world!

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    I want him like the next man. I have been a fan up until the day he socked Mardy and ran from Jared and Nate.... With that being said I will be happy to see the Nets trade away all their chip for nothing.


    Even with Melo they are still scum of the division. Hey it could be the best thing for us, maybe we will finally get back to real baskeball and give up on these pipe dreams for other teams super stars.

    The best deals are the ones that are not talked about, I am not 100% sure but I dont think the Lakers yapped about Gasol months before they got him. They were stealth and they got what they wanted now look at them.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4Life_1985
    I want him like the next man. I have been a fan up until the day he socked Mardy and ran from Jared and Nate.... With that being said I will be happy to see the Nets trade away all their chip for nothing.


    Even with Melo they are still scum of the division. Hey it could be the best thing for us, maybe we will finally get back to real baskeball and give up on these pipe dreams for other teams super stars.

    The best deals are the ones that are not talked about, I am not 100% sure but I dont think the Lakers yapped about Gasol months before they got him. They were stealth and they got what they wanted now look at them.
    Well, that being said if the trade does happen they are still Keeping Lopez and Harris... That makes them serious contender and on par with NY. We beat NJ but we really didn't take hold of that game until Harris went out.... I do not want to face that trio and I am sure other fans here will agree; not with what we have now! The good news is that the Melo drama will be over and these super stars can stop holding us hostage and we can move on. If the Nets get him I hope Donny goes after Iggy! I think we get him with out giving up really anything... Maybe picks... I also hope they look at Gerald Wallace, I really hope they give him a serious look!

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    I seriously doubt he goes to the Nets, he'll be better off staying in Denver. Mello wants to compete for titles in a big market. He doesn't have to bow down to any demands or trades he doesn't want. Denver haves no real say in the matter. Mello is the captain of the ship....and rightfully so.

    I believe the Nets are blowing up the team and rebuilding reguardless if Mello goes there or not. I just hope the Nets look like a solid team by the time they come to Brooklyn.

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    That's too much to give up for Melo from any team mentioned. Let the chips roll as they will. There are other avenues. We need to improve defensively, and Melo isn't a great defender. Also what do we gain if Melo averages 24 points a game, and we give up Gallo (about 16 PPG) Chandler (about 18 PPG) Fields (10 PPG) and we aren't even talking rebounds, as in MAD system, you need second opportunities.....I'm really at a crossroads with this trade.....Let's trust Donnie

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    i really dont give a **** about Melo....I've made up my mind, we dont need him. I still have a feeling we will get him after this year. The Nets are gonna gut there team only so he can not re-sign with them. That part of it I love, **** the Nets

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    Basically no news is good news. And this is not news.

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4Life_1985
    I want him like the next man. I have been a fan up until the day he socked Mardy and ran from Jared and Nate.... With that being said I will be happy to see the Nets trade away all their chip for nothing.


    Even with Melo they are still scum of the division. Hey it could be the best thing for us, maybe we will finally get back to real baskeball and give up on these pipe dreams for other teams super stars.

    The best deals are the ones that are not talked about, I am not 100% sure but I dont think the Lakers yapped about Gasol months before they got him. They were stealth and they got what they wanted now look at them.
    Well, that Gasol to LA deal was an unique situation. Basically, ex Lakers great Jerry West just handed his former team a gift as he was about to leave MEMPHIS. Much like what Mchale did with Garnett to BOS. In the real world, on this planet, those deals never happen.

    Sure. No news is good news. And this is simply more hearsay. However, it's clear DEN is going to deal Carmelo before the trade deadline, and if Carmelo is traded the odds of him ending in NY drop significantly IMHO.

    I'm moving on. Knicks need to improve now. IN other words, there are deals to make this team better... and these are moves we have to consider. Save enough money to sign Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol, and move on with life.

    Go get a Mayo. DO something. We waited 2 years to make moves. I dont eant to si tight and wait another hoping we get a guy. If the trade deadline approaches and we dont get Anthony, Walsh has to make alternative moves.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Even with Melo, the Nets won't be better than us.

    Any team that goes all in to "rent" Melo 1) is dumb if they don't win it all 2) will only be helping us out by allowing us to sign as a FA

    This deal doesn't happen imo.

    We wil get him if he is moved. No worries.

    Plus when u think about it, no team that Melo realistically can go to will be better than the team he is on. And we are better especially if we add size. That said, Melo should know we are a few players from making a run. He can roll with us or get rolled over.

    Our priority still is in the size dept., without that Melo won't matter.
    Agree and if the Nets get and keep Melo there are other options. Plan B the way I see it is Iggy and a Center hopefully Gasol.

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    Players that are on the market or likely on the move:

    Andre Iguodala
    Richard Hamilton
    Jamal Crawford
    O.J. Mayo
    Hasheem Thabeet
    Chauncey Billups
    Sebastian Telfair
    Antawan Jamison
    Samuel Dalembert
    Tayshaun Prince
    Kevin Martin
    Emeka Okafur
    Stephen Jackson
    Gerald Wallace
    Joel Pryzbilla

    I can't think of any more. Anybody?

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    ...Here's the thing.

    The Nets suck. They're not just rebuilding, they're not just slumping...they suck. They're an outright terrible team, and the only way they bring back enough talent to convince Carmelo to sign an extension is if they pick up a TON of bad contracts (ie get Al Harrington and give a first round pick, or something like that).

    They're not going anywhere, period.

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