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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Not trying to get into a dick swinging contest with you ronoranina, but I've forgotten more about BBall than you'll ever know.

    Based on your philosphy when STAT was averaging 7 T O's a game (he's still over 4) he should have been benched. Nah I dont think so. Does Moz get into foul trouble a bit too much? Possibly? But. IMHO he's being targeted by the refs. Many of his foull calls are of the ticky tack variety. I've seen this kid develop. In preseason he had a problem with moving screens. Got coached up now you rarely see that called on him (when he actually plays). The only solution for this is to let him play and let the refs see he's game more, and coach him up.

    As far as AR I thought it was shot selection? Funny that a coach that wants shots to go up in 7 secs or less has a problem with a players shot selection. The problem is AR doesnt have a midrange jumper of note. If he did he'd be playing. It doesnt matter that defensively he could lock down a bunch of small forwards in this league. It doesnt matter that if you get him closer to the rim his shooting % goes up DRASTICALLY. If he cant run the offense to COACHES liking he's benched.

    Whats funny Gallo (although I admit he's improving) couldnt defend my 12 year old neice. But because he's the BEST SHOOTER our coach has ever seen he gets 35 mins a night. You wanna look at flaws? Lets look at Gallos. He's weak. Cant take it to the rim consistently. No handle. Cant defend. Cant shoot off the dribble. Has no left hand. Inside game is NON-EXISTENT. Yet coach extols his limited game. But offensively he fits what Mike D wants to do. Like I said in another post defense is 50% of basketball.

    In the future when you come at me make sure its real. Nitpicking at a players flaws doesnt make that player totally useless to that team.

    Basically we need a new coach...
    I don't think anyone would bench STAT for his turnovers but then again STAT is not AR!! To use STAT is just a poor example since his dominance over shadows his turnovers... All though he does turn it over at crucial times in the 4th but never enough to warrant a benching!
    To say Gallo doesn't take it to the rim consistently makes me question how much you actually watch the team... His defense is mediocre but he seems to defend all the heavy weights. As far as his inside game, he is supposed to be a perimeter player not a slasher or force in the paint. He supposed to draw the defense out to defend the longer range shot and that supposed to free up STAT and Chandler...
    AR was benched for many reasons... Whether you or I agree with those reason is irrelevant. The obvious is he is a liability on both sides but he has always used his athleticism to compensate. The Knicks are trying to win this year, not develop project players or evaluate talent..... Same with Moz, if this was Sacramento then he would play more but not with a team trying to move to the next level.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    I don't think anyone would bench STAT for his turnovers but then again STAT is not AR!! To use STAT is just a poor example since his dominance over shadows his turnovers... All though he does turn it over at crucial times in the 4th but never enough to warrant a benching!
    To say Gallo doesn't take it to the rim consistently makes me question how much you actually watch the team... His defense is mediocre but he seems to defend all the heavy weights. As far as his inside game, he is supposed to be a perimeter player not a slasher or force in the paint. He supposed to draw the defense out to defend the longer range shot and that supposed to free up STAT and Chandler...
    AR was benched for many reasons... Whether you or I agree with those reason is irrelevant. The obvious is he is a liability on both sides but he has always used his athleticism to compensate. The Knicks are trying to win this year, not develop project players or evaluate talent..... Same with Moz, if this was Sacramento then he would play more but not with a team trying to move to the next level.

    7 TO's a game is alot, but I agree you dont bench STAT. You think Gallo goes to the rim? Just lately I've seen an effort from him to get there. When he does 90% of the time one bump and he's falling on the floor flailing his arms all over the place. Unless he is untouched he aint finishing.

    AR benched because he cant consistently hit the jumper. Thats it. You're telling me that AR who got you 8 pts, 6 boards, 1.2 blocks and almost 1 steal in 18 mins a game as a rookie cant help this team win? Dont believe it. I asked this in my other thread. When are we going to stop making excuses when it comes to Mike D and his handling of bigs? He's been proven wrong twice already. I'd bet my house that he's wrong about Moz and AR.

    Think Knicks are trying to win, granted I understand. But, when we go up against the Celts, Heat, Hawks, and other teams in the playoffs, with bigs length is mandatory. I think we need to get these guys as much PT as possible without hurting our win total.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    7 TO's a game is alot, but I agree you dont bench STAT. You think Gallo goes to the rim? Just lately I've seen an effort from him to get there. When he does 90% of the time one bump and he's falling on the floor flailing his arms all over the place. Unless he is untouched he aint finishing.
    I think that's more the European style. Look at Manu (the biggest flopper of all) and it happens all the time in soccer. European basketball is about getting to the free throw line (and getting basically free points). I hate the flopping but it's the nature of the European game, nothing we can do about it really.

    But if Gallo is drawing fouls on key interior defenders, that is helpful to the team as a whole.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    I think that's more the European style. Look at Manu (the biggest flopper of all) and it happens all the time in soccer. European basketball is about getting to the free throw line (and getting basically free points). I hate the flopping but it's the nature of the European game, nothing we can do about it really.

    But if Gallo is drawing fouls on key interior defenders, that is helpful to the team as a whole.
    True. It helps. But the basket and the foul would help more...

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Not trying to get into a dick swinging contest with you ronoranina, but I've forgotten more about BBall than you'll ever know.

    Based on your philosphy when STAT was averaging 7 T O's a game (he's still over 4) he should have been benched. Nah I dont think so. Does Moz get into foul trouble a bit too much? Possibly? But. IMHO he's being targeted by the refs. Many of his foull calls are of the ticky tack variety. I've seen this kid develop. In preseason he had a problem with moving screens. Got coached up now you rarely see that called on him (when he actually plays). The only solution for this is to let him play and let the refs see he's game more, and coach him up.

    As far as AR I thought it was shot selection? Funny that a coach that wants shots to go up in 7 secs or less has a problem with a players shot selection. The problem is AR doesnt have a midrange jumper of note. If he did he'd be playing. It doesnt matter that defensively he could lock down a bunch of small forwards in this league. It doesnt matter that if you get him closer to the rim his shooting % goes up DRASTICALLY. If he cant run the offense to COACHES liking he's benched.

    Whats funny Gallo (although I admit he's improving) couldnt defend my 12 year old neice. But because he's the BEST SHOOTER our coach has ever seen he gets 35 mins a night. You wanna look at flaws? Lets look at Gallos. He's weak. Cant take it to the rim consistently. No handle. Cant defend. Cant shoot off the dribble. Has no left hand. Inside game is NON-EXISTENT. Yet coach extols his limited game. But offensively he fits what Mike D wants to do. Like I said in another post defense is 50% of basketball.

    In the future when you come at me make sure its real. Nitpicking at a players flaws doesnt make that player totally useless to that team.

    Basically we need a new coach...



    This an inane post. You're acting like you know the game but your posts say different.. The fact Knuckles2k2 agrees w u says a lot..

    Yes Amare averages almost 4 to's a game, but he's also giving you 26 and 9, so you live w that.

    Why's that so hard to understand. It's about trade offs.

    If AR and Moz had enough to bring to the table they'd be playing dude. Unfortunately our margin for victory is slim. So we can't afford dumb play (ridiculous to's and fouls) from players that can't help us drastically in another area that is of particular importance to the team.

    It's just like you and others going on about Chandler playing D on bigs when he scoring prolificly. It's like I said, you can't have it both ways. It's either have Moz on somebody like dwight, whom he'd would surely foul gratuitously, then on the other end not give us anything, or have Chandler guarding him in spot situation once in a while as he continues to own @ the other end..

    That's the reason making the so-called defensive substitution of Moz/AR for Chandler is retarted. It's a bad trade off.

    With Turiaf he can actually play great defense, but on offense he's a glue player. He doesn't hurt us at all when he's out there. That's what separates him from AR and Moz. AR/ Moz hurt us on both ends of the court. They're not ready dude. That's why the premise of your opening argument is shot to shat. Yes Turiaf brings what he brings on D, but your glossing over the fact that AR/Moz have not shown they can be trusted to stay on the floor w out fouling dudes needlessly. Yes our rotation guys each only get 6 fouls, but they've shown they have a lot more savvy w regards to how they use them. This is so simple. You can't have guys in the game that draw fouls to easily.. You just can't. This shows a lack of knowledge about the game Clydeandthepearl.

    Oh and you must not watch the Knicks that much because your assessments of Gallo are so far off the mark..

    Gallo does have a good left left hand; don't suppose you saw the nice up and under move that he punctuated with a pretty left handed finish yesterday. Infact when he drives he normally prefers to finish w the left. He can handle the ball. God, I've gone over this a million times w people. Gallo is a nice ball-handler and not just for a 6'10''. When he's aggressive he gets to the rim at will. He can draw fouls easily. Right now he's second on the team in fta'd and made. How's he getting to the rim?? He couldn't be dribling his way there could he? Gallo's ability to get to the rim when he wants at 6'10'',even against smaller faster players is primarily due to his (underrated/deceptive quickness) handle and solid footwork as he's not a fast player. Yes he fits in w what Mike D wants as he can score, process info on O and D, but he's also still learning and will be able to do more as he continues to gain experience.

    Fortunately for Gallo he's not turnover prone and he's very efficient. These are two areas AR suffers in, hence the lack of minutes. Moz is just as bad in the turnover area, as he's just not aware enough on offense. I mean to the point where I've seen passes hit him in the hands and carum out of bounds, which shows he's not ready or doesn't know when the ball's coming. You can't do that at this level.

    Now I'd like see AR & Moz get more minutes too. But if they can't play they can't play. If your going to make silly, needless fouls and dumbass turnovers you can't be trusted w minutes. THEY, SO FAR, HAVE PROVED THEY ARE NOT READY TO BE TRUSTED YET. I don't blame Mike D for not playing them.

    Fouls and turnovers.. It really is that simple dude.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    This an inane post. You're acting like you know the game but your posts say different.. The fact Knuckles2k2 agrees w u says a lot..

    Yes Amare averages almost 4 to's a game, but he's also giving you 26 and 9, so you live w that.

    Why's that so hard to understand. It's about trade offs.

    If AR and Moz had enough to bring to the table they'd be playing dude. Unfortunately our margin for victory is slim. So we can't afford dumb play (ridiculous to's and fouls) from players that can't help us drastically in another area that is of particular importance to the team.

    It's just like you and others going on about Chandler playing D on bigs when he scoring prolificly. It's like I said, you can't have it both ways. It's either have Moz on somebody like dwight, whom he'd would surely foul gratuitously, then on the other end not give us anything, or have Chandler guarding him in spot situation once in a while as he continues to own @ the other end..

    That's the reason making the so-called defensive substitution of Moz/AR for Chandler is retarted. It's a bad trade off.

    With Turiaf he can actually play great defense, but on offense he's a glue player. He doesn't hurt us at all when he's out there. That's what separates him from AR and Moz. AR/ Moz hurt us on both ends of the court. They're not ready dude. That's why the premise of your opening argument is shot to shat. Yes Turiaf brings what he brings on D, but your glossing over the fact that AR/Moz have not shown they can be trusted to stay on the floor w out fouling dudes needlessly. Yes our rotation guys each only get 6 fouls, but they've shown they have a lot more savvy w regards to how they use them. This is so simple. You can't have guys in the game that draw fouls to easily.. You just can't. This shows a lack of knowledge about the game Clydeandthepearl.

    Oh and you must not watch the Knicks that much because your assessments of Gallo are so far off the mark..

    Gallo does have a good left left hand; don't suppose you saw the nice up and under move that he punctuated with a pretty left handed finish yesterday. Infact when he drives he normally prefers to finish w the left. He can handle the ball. God, I've gone over this a million times w people. Gallo is a nice ball-handler and not just for a 6'10''. When he's aggressive he gets to the rim at will. He can draw fouls easily. Right now he's second on the team in fta'd and made. How's he getting to the rim?? He couldn't be dribling his way there could he? Gallo's ability to get to the rim when he wants at 6'10'',even against smaller faster players is primarily due to his (underrated/deceptive quickness) handle and solid footwork as he's not a fast player. Yes he fits in w what Mike D wants as he can score, process info on O and D, but he's also still learning and will be able to do more as he continues to gain experience.

    Fortunately for Gallo he's not turnover prone and he's very efficient. These are two areas AR suffers in, hence the lack of minutes. Moz is just as bad in the turnover area, as he's just not aware enough on offense. I mean to the point where I've seen passes hit him in the hands and carum out of bounds, which shows he's not ready or doesn't know when the ball's coming. You can't do that at this level.

    Now I'd like see AR & Moz get more minutes too. But if they can't play they can't play. If your going to make silly, needless fouls and dumbass turnovers you can't be trusted w minutes. THEY, SO FAR, HAVE PROVED THEY ARE NOT READY TO BE TRUSTED YET. I don't blame Mike D for not playing them.

    Fouls and turnovers.. It really is that simple dude.
    You probably misjudged what Jordan Hill and Darko bring to the table the same way you are doing with AR and Moz. The same way your coach Mike D has. You have an excuse because you dont coach in the NBA. Mike D has none.

    Your trade off BS is just that. BS. What your doing by putting a 6 8 chandler on Dwight is enhancing his game even more. Being that Dwight isnt guarding Chandler at the other end there isnt a true tradeoff. Things are easier for Dwight offensively yet there the same for Chandler.

    Basketball is a game of length. When a team has length you wanna play your length to make it a bit more difficult for the other team to score. Like I said defense is 50% of basketball. What you and your coach advocate will never win championships. Playing small may work against some less talented teams, but when you play against the good teams the bigger, longer teams almost always win. Its been proven throughout the history of the game.

    What the Knicks are doing is making other teams bigs more prolific when they play them. See the Miami game and Ilguaskis (sp) if you want more proof.

    As far as Gallo he has all the flaws in his game that I stated. Plus one that I missed. He cant finish at the rim.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    7 TO's a game is alot, but I agree you dont bench STAT. You think Gallo goes to the rim? Just lately I've seen an effort from him to get there. When he does 90% of the time one bump and he's falling on the floor flailing his arms all over the place. Unless he is untouched he aint finishing.
    I don't care if he is grabbing his knee and crying like a little girl, as long as he ends up on the charity line.... Which he is! By the way, he does throw it up and from time to time, it goes in so he get's a chance at 3!

    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    I asked this in my other thread. When are we going to stop making excuses when it comes to Mike D and his handling of bigs? He's been proven wrong twice already. I'd bet my house that he's wrong about Moz and AR.
    He is? Hmmm, I'm sorry, I thought the Knicks were wining... Also, I swear that on my television I watched Mozgov get 2 fouls within the first 2 minutes of stepping onto the court....Every game. I also remember with AR, he will block a shot but then blow the defense when transitioning down court, never mind bricking up most of his shots. AR is a long term project! One that may produce huge returns but nothing that he has done has shown that he deserves being in the rotation. It doesn't matter what he did 3 years ago, this year he hasn't earned a spot.

    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Think Knicks are trying to win, granted I understand. But, when we go up against the Celts, Heat, Hawks, and other teams in the playoffs, with bigs length is mandatory. I think we need to get these guys as much PT as possible without hurting our win total.
    Yes, I agree that Boston's bigs can cause us issues but 2 7 footers that can't get out of their own way is not the answer either! Being 7' tall isn't the only criteria needed to earn a spot!
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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    You probably misjudged what Jordan Hill and Darko bring to the table the same way you are doing with AR and Moz. The same way your coach Mike D has. You have an excuse because you dont coach in the NBA. Mike D has none.

    Your trade off BS is just that. BS. What your doing by putting a 6 8 chandler on Dwight is enhancing his game even more. Being that Dwight isnt guarding Chandler at the other end there isnt a true tradeoff. Things are easier for Dwight offensively yet there the same for Chandler.

    Basketball is a game of length. When a team has length you wanna play your length to make it a bit more difficult for the other team to score. Like I said defense is 50% of basketball. What you and your coach advocate will never win championships. Playing small may work against some less talented teams, but when you play against the good teams the bigger, longer teams almost always win. Its been proven throughout the history of the game.

    What the Knicks are doing is making other teams bigs more prolific when they play them. See the Miami game and Ilguaskis (sp) if you want more proof.

    As far as Gallo he has all the flaws in his game that I stated. Plus one that I missed. He cant finish at the rim.

    Dude Darko and Hill still suck.. Where is the loss there? Forgive me if i'm missing the value in those cast-offs..

    And you're just retarded if you can't understand that by taking Chandler out for Moz/ AR your trading a good undersized defender and venerable scorer for length that brings fouls and to's due to inexperience w virtually no scoring. So in effect your losing Chandler and getting nothing, but "length" as you say. But what's length if it's not used effectively? In the case of AR/ Moz they foul guys excessively, so I wouldn't say they're using their length well.. That I have to further clarify this point says a lot.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Dude Dark and Hill still suck.. Where is the loss there? Forgive me if i'm missing the value in those cast-offs..

    And you're just retarded if you can't understand that by taking Chandler out for Moz/ AR. Your trading a good undersized defender and venerable scorer for length that brings fouls and to's due to inexperience. So in effect your losing Chandler and getting nothing, but "length". But what's length if it's not used effectively? In the case of AR/ Moz they foul guys excessively, so I wouldn't say they're using their length effectively. That I have to further clarify this point says a lot.
    So now we know Mike Dantoni's screen name on this site. Its ronoranina.

    I'll quote you so you can understand. You seem a bit slow. Seems like you'd have to smarten up just to be stupid. "So in effect your losing Chandler and getting nothing, but "length".

    First of all you're not getting nothing. Unless you're from that Mike D school of basketball where defense doesnt count. You are getting a more capable defender on Dwight and Ilguaskis. You did see how these guys ate us up in the paint? On the offensive glass? Or were you to busy watching Gallo's three point stroke? Again DEFENSE is 50% of basketball.

    Another thing. Whats wrong with fouling Dwight? He shoots 50% from the line. He shots 99% when dunking on your head. Which would you rather have? Really?

    Again Jordan Hill and Darko arent Pat and Oakley but they are contributing to an NBA team just months after your boy Mike D said they couldnt. I'd say he is also wrong about AR and Moz.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    I don't care if he is grabbing his knee and crying like a little girl, as long as he ends up on the charity line.... Which he is! By the way, he does throw it up and from time to time, it goes in so he get's a chance at 3!
    Basically thats what he's doing. This kid has had 3-4 years to learn the NBA game and what to expect. Him not being much stronger than he was year one is a real turn off for me.


    He is? Hmmm, I'm sorry, I thought the Knicks were wining... Also, I swear that on my television I watched Mozgov get 2 fouls within the first 2 minutes of stepping onto the court....Every game. I also remember with AR, he will block a shot but then blow the defense when transitioning down court, never mind bricking up most of his shots. AR is a long term project! One that may produce huge returns but nothing that he has done has shown that he deserves being in the rotation. It doesn't matter what he did 3 years ago, this year he hasn't earned a spot.[/quote]

    I wonder exactly what was said about Darko and Hill last year? I do remember Hill being considered a long term project. Funny, He's getting 20-25 mins a night less than a year after being traded and making a contribution.



    Yes, I agree that Boston's bigs can cause us issues but 2 7 footers that can't get out of their own way is not the answer either! Being 7' tall isn't the only criteria needed to earn a spot![/quote]

    Dude if these guys were only tall they wouldnt have NBA contracts. There are alot of tall %$%% walking the street broke...

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    So now we know Mike Dantoni's screen name on this site. Its ronoranina.

    I'll quote you so you can understand. You seem a bit slow. Seems like you'd have to smarten up just to be stupid. "So in effect your losing Chandler and getting nothing, but "length".

    First of all you're not getting nothing. Unless you're from that Mike D school of basketball where defense doesnt count. You are getting a more capable defender on Dwight and Ilguaskis. You did see how these guys ate us up in the paint? On the offensive glass? Or were you to busy watching Gallo's three point stroke? Again DEFENSE is 50% of basketball.

    Another thing. Whats wrong with fouling Dwight? He shoots 50% from the line. He shots 99% when dunking on your head. Which would you rather have? Really?

    Again Jordan Hill and Darko arent Pat and Oakley but they are contributing to an NBA team just months after your boy Mike D said they couldnt. I'd say he is also wrong about AR and Moz.
    But those guys don't play good d. They foul guys. I'm sorry but 6 quick team fouls and us in the penalty is not good defense. It seems to me that Mike D doesn't want to start a parade of guys to the line for the sake of "length". This has already been clearly explained to u several times by myself and other posters. You've lost this argument already. You're making no sense.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Basically thats what he's doing. This kid has had 3-4 years to learn the NBA game and what to expect. Him not being much stronger than he was year one is a real turn off for me.


    He is? Hmmm, I'm sorry, I thought the Knicks were wining... Also, I swear that on my television I watched Mozgov get 2 fouls within the first 2 minutes of stepping onto the court....Every game. I also remember with AR, he will block a shot but then blow the defense when transitioning down court, never mind bricking up most of his shots. AR is a long term project! One that may produce huge returns but nothing that he has done has shown that he deserves being in the rotation. It doesn't matter what he did 3 years ago, this year he hasn't earned a spot.

    I wonder exactly what was said about Darko and Hill last year? I do remember Hill being considered a long term project. Funny, He's getting 20-25 mins a night less than a year after being traded and making a contribution.



    Yes, I agree that Boston's bigs can cause us issues but 2 7 footers that can't get out of their own way is not the answer either! Being 7' tall isn't the only criteria needed to earn a spot!

    Dude if these guys were only tall they wouldnt have NBA contracts. There are alot of tall %$%% walking the street broke...
    I'm still not sure what your argument is for not only putting them into the rotation but starting Mozgov??? We tried that and it failed, why would we revisit it?? Darko got an extension from a team that wasn't playing for anything based on the last few months of the season... Can you say Jerome James?
    What has Jordan Hill done for Houston? Am I missing something?
    I have to admit that I would like to see AR get some consistent minutes, but since we are always in the thick of it in the 4th, there really isn't any "garbage time" that can afford us some development time for AR, Mozgov and Rautins... Randolph needs to be on a team that will give him no less than 20/25 minutes a game to really hone his game and right some things that are off.

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    Is there that much of a difference between two young 7 footers who might foul people and eventually send them to the line, or having 1-2 fouls at the end of the 1st quarter but give up 32 points in the quarter to the Pacers, most of which were off of 2nd chance points?

    Call me crazy...but I'd rather my young players develop (which you need actual coaching and reps for) as opposed to maintaining the offensive integrity and not fouling people but let them score at will early and often.

    Catch 22...heads, I win...tails, you lose. That's what happens to young teams with inexperienced players. But they're called growing pains, they're not permanent.

    We're not winning anything this year...even if we get a backup PG and a center that D'Antoni would use in his offense. So there really is no excuse for D'Antoni not playing them other than stupidity and stubbornness, and don't talk to me about "winning now" because as patient as Donnie is he's likely to tough out the growing pains and let the players show what they have and how they're growing. Dude advocates for AR to play so I don't think he'd can D'Antoni for playing him and losing a game or two.

    How come coach Pops can transition the Spurs from a defensive juggernaut to an offensive powerhouse BASED ON THE CHANGES TO HIS ROSTER but D'Antoni can't work a young, talented, long, versatile, big like AR into his offense and give him time to grow? Is it really all about winning right now? Because if so then he's failed before he even began. Winning = title, we're not a title contender so everything should be geared towards making us one. Not trying to erase a decade of irrelevancy by making a one and done playoff appearance this year.

    And the development of young players is vital to a team's success going forward.
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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Is there that much of a difference between two young 7 footers who might foul people and eventually send them to the line, or having 1-2 fouls at the end of the 1st quarter but give up 32 points in the quarter to the Pacers, most of which were off of 2nd chance points?

    Call me crazy...but I'd rather my young players develop (which you need actual coaching and reps for) as opposed to maintaining the offensive integrity and not fouling people but let them score at will early and often.

    Catch 22...heads, I win...tails, you lose. That's what happens to young teams with inexperienced players. But they're called growing pains, they're not permanent.

    We're not winning anything this year...even if we get a backup PG and a center that D'Antoni would use in his offense. So there really is no excuse for D'Antoni not playing them other than stupidity and stubbornness, and don't talk to me about "winning now" because as patient as Donnie is he's likely to tough out the growing pains and let the players show what they have and how they're growing. Dude advocates for AR to play so I don't think he'd can D'Antoni for playing him and losing a game or two.

    How come coach Pops can transition the Spurs from a defensive juggernaut to and offensive powerhouse BASED ON THE CHANGES TO HIS ROSTER but D'Antoni can't work a young, talented, long, versatile, big like AR into his offense and give him time to grow? Is it really all about winning right now? Because if so then he's failed before he even began. Winning = title, we're not a title contender so everything should be geared towards making us one. Not trying to erase a decade of irrelevancy by making a one and done playoff appearance this year.

    And the development of young players is vital to a team's success going forward.
    Am I missing something or are we not trying to be a playoff team this year?? If so, then every game counts. We need every win we can get.

    We're not the Spurs. We don't have a 3 really good/great players like Duncan, Ginobili and Parker to provide stability while young players are brought along..

    All we have is Amare, which makes our margin for victory slimmer. Which means we can't give important minutes to players who can't be trusted not to fack up in the game.

    What is so difficult to understand about this??
    Last edited by ronoranina; Jan 03, 2011 at 19:51.

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