thankyou man!I can see where both of you guys are coming from, and agree. I can also understand where Knicksfan can say what he is saying. Yes, Ellis is a scorer on a bad team. Hopefully we all agree on that. On the other hand, IF Ellis were in a better system and good locker room leadership (ie, STAT since he's come to NY or Boston) Ellis could shake that label. Carmelo though is a much better all around player than Ellis. Rebounds at a higher rate, creates for others, AND scores the ball well. Like Rono said, Melo took a mediocre team to 50+ wins and the playoffs by himself. If Melo is a man of his word he waits it out till FAgency or forces Denver to deal him to NY at the deadline for pennies on the dollar so we can keep most of our lineup intact. If Melo is there and can be had at a reasonable price you go out and get him. For all we know the DLee deal over the summer may at one time have included Ellis but, I'm wagering a bet here that their GM valued him higher than his true value when you break down his game and stats and Donnie passed.