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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    Point differential is all that matters most. I keep saying it in game threads when same ppl complain even after wins.

    What we happen to score or what our opponent happens to score is arbitrary.

    I wonder if it would get the same reaction if we had an extra-ordinary defensive system, and won games 85-80 much of the time, with a league-worst type of offense.

    I don't think it would beget as much misunderstanding and conflict. Mainly bc there's an emotional nostalgia and ingrained sentiment in sports that defense is the always unsung hero and true seasoned sports fans know this.
    I Concur, People have to realize that i this system all Stats are inflated. This system made Duhon and David Lee look like Malone and Stockton. I would just like to add this, I don't think our "defense" is horrible but rather it is our 22nd ranking in rebounding that must be addressed. Felton, Fields, Chandler Turiaf, Douglas, even Stat and Gallo have all shown they can play reasonable on the ball defense. While our post defense could improve, its our lack of rebounding that is hurting us the most. While AR and Mozgov could conceivably help us out on the boards they are just way to inexperienced and underdeveloped to see any meaningful minutes. While I am not the biggest fan of Gallo or Bill Walker, Shawne Williams. These guys at least are consistent enough in their roles that I wuld rather bite the bullet and play them over AR and Mozgov.

    This is not D'Antoni's fault, he is just sticking to his teams strengths and has accepted that right now we are not going to be able to bang with the Lakers and Celtics with this team right now. I trust in Walsh to address this problem as his job is not just to please D'Antoni or sell tickets but to bring in the proper personal to win a championship.

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    Originally Posted by BleedOrange&Blue
    I Concur, People have to realize that i this system all Stats are inflated. This system made Duhon and David Lee look like Malone and Stockton. I would just like to add this, I don't think our "defense" is horrible but rather it is our 22nd ranking in rebounding that must be addressed. Felton, Fields, Chandler Turiaf, Douglas, even Stat and Gallo have all shown they can play reasonable on the ball defense. While our post defense could improve, its our lack of rebounding that is hurting us the most. While AR and Mozgov could conceivably help us out on the boards they are just way to inexperienced and underdeveloped to see any meaningful minutes. While I am not the biggest fan of Gallo or Bill Walker, Shawne Williams. These guys at least are consistent enough in their roles that I wuld rather bite the bullet and play them over AR and Mozgov.

    This is not D'Antoni's fault, he is just sticking to his teams strengths and has accepted that right now we are not going to be able to bang with the Lakers and Celtics with this team right now. I trust in Walsh to address this problem as his job is not just to please D'Antoni or sell tickets but to bring in the proper personal to win a championship.
    How is AR underdeveloped for a 19-20 year old when he's had success in this league? This is what I dont understand. Sure he needs to work on his 15 footer, but he can give us rebounding and blocked shots. He's done it before...

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    How is AR underdeveloped for a 19-20 year old when he's had success in this league? This is what I dont understand. Sure he needs to work on his 15 footer, but he can give us rebounding and blocked shots. He's done it before...
    your right.... AR is developed... he just dust fit in O'antonis offense...

    and AR is best suited as a 3...maybe not in our system... but in most systems..... ands there is a log jam there...

    so we never really seen him play PF on in O'antonis system...

    give me a break...thats not his game....he just doesnt fit guys....

    unless... our coach changes.. his schemes

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Big win for the Jets. I think they'll win it all now...
    Huge win! Go Jets!!

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    Originally Posted by moneyg
    your right.... AR is developed... he just dust fit in O'antonis offense...

    and AR is best suited as a 3...maybe not in our system... but in most systems..... ands there is a log jam there...

    so we never really seen him play PF on in O'antonis system...

    give me a break...thats not his game....he just doesnt fit guys....

    unless... our coach changes.. his schemes
    AR = Trash

    Another Gerald Green type player , He'll be out the league soon unless Minny resurects his career

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    AR = Trash

    Another Gerald Green type player , He'll be out the league soon unless Minny resurects his career

    AR is no needed on this team but is better than what we have seen as a knick.. with minutes he can produce but he does make mistakes in the process ...thats his problem..

    he is always goin 100 MPH.. doesnt undrstand pace..he does have skills though...its also a mental thing with him now

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    Originally Posted by moneyg
    AR is no needed on this team but is better than what we have seen as a knick.. with minutes he can produce but he does make mistakes in the process ...thats his problem..

    he is always goin 100 MPH.. doesnt undrstand pace..he does have skills though...its also a mental thing with him now
    He doesn't have skills he is overrated David Lee was a fan favorite so Donnie didn't want to look like he gave him away just for Cap space and Turiaf, so they hyped AR in that deal. After watching the Pre season you could tell AR skills weren't what they thought. This is his 3rd year in the league and it will probably take another 2-3 years before we see considerable growth. We don't have that time because STAT is in his prime and we need to try to compete now.

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    He doesn't have skills he is overrated David Lee was a fan favorite so Donnie didn't want to look like he gave him away just for Cap space and Turiaf, so they hyped AR in that deal. After watching the Pre season you could tell AR skills weren't what they thought. This is his 3rd year in the league and it will probably take another 2-3 years before we see considerable growth. We don't have that time because STAT is in his prime and we need to try to compete now.

    he does have skills.. he showed it in GS.. with limited minutes...aight..then he got injured...

    now it seems like he lost his confidence.. we just dont have thr patient for him.. but to say he lacks skills..is inaccurate

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    Defense was great today. face palm...

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    ^^^^ lmao priceless

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    Originally Posted by la2ny
    ^^^^ lmao priceless
    Its funny but sad...

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