View Poll Results: Which out of these star studded lineups, is the best?

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  • Magic Johnson, kareem abdul Jabbar, James Worthy, Kurt Rambis

    7 46.67%
  • Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Bill Walton

    1 6.67%
  • Michael Jordon, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, John Paxon

    7 46.67%
  • Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Robert Horry

    0 0%
  • Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher

    0 0%
  • Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Rajo Rondo

    0 0%
  • LeBron James, James Wade, Chris Bosh

    0 0%
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Thread: Is the Knicks plan the right plan for the future?

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    Nyk Logo The building process future plans

    So many peeps been down on PG-Toney Douglas performance this season,
    without noticing Raymond Felton 40 minutes on the court never shares the
    playmaking duties with the 2nd season PG-Douglas.
    However, Douglas relentless defensive effort has caused all kinds of havoc in
    our oponents offense. Douglas playmaking maybe young and raw but somehow
    Douglas finds away to get Turiaf/ Chandler/ Gallo/and Fields into the offense
    better than Felton who is always looking to shoot or pass to Amare.
    When Douglas has the ball the above players start moving without the ball knowing
    Douglas will hit them with the ball (they may have to dribble to get their shot off
    but they are receiving a pass closer to the basket).

    Toney Douglas & Landry Fields (growth) should be in the Knicks Future-Plans...

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The most important impression the super-stars of the past were so great
    at inwhich few of the super-stars today has commited themselves to do
    was to take a below average Rondo & Perkins and make them into Star-Players.

    Magic Johnson took a star base Laker team that could never go to the
    next-level in the postseason games for several years to the Championship
    ring level.
    Jordan & Pippin improve the level of all their teammates to go on to the
    next-level.
    Larry Bird improve the level of all the Celtics teammates to go on to the
    next-level.
    CP3 has improve the level of all his teammates in every season in his NBA
    career.

    As an old Knick-Fan their were only three star players in the Knicks
    franchise career that went all out to improve the performance of their
    Knicks teammates: Earl the Pearl Monroe, Bernard King, and Mark Jackson.
    No-offense to any other star Knick players in the past or future, but none
    has sacrifice as much at improving their teammates performance as the
    three players above while on the Knicks.

    Amare & Carmelo are actually the same frontcourt player..... weak on
    defensive effort/rebounding/and improving the level of their teammates
    performance. The two players has yet to show they are "complimentary-
    teammates" in any of the seasons in their NBA career.
    Last week I recall the Lakers vs Thunder game where Kobe Bryant was
    doing his best to prove to headcoach Jax that Kobe got distribution in
    his game LOL.

    P.S. The season before Jordan won his first Championship Ring, Jordan
    actually played all 82 games as the Bulls starting PG, with Paxon at SG,
    Pippin at SF, and Oakley at PF. This was why Knick President Chekkett
    was stupid to trade a healthy C-Bill Cartwright (who just help Ewing to
    find his offense/defense game) to the Chicago Bulls. PF-Horace Grant
    strong performance the next 4 years made it look like Charles Oakley was
    never missed in Chicago by winning 3 straight Championships, plus having
    the best winning season in the NBA without Jordan in the 4th season after
    the trade.
    I thought Cartwright at center and Ewing at the 4 would have been a tremendous 5/4 combo ala The Admiral and Duncan! Ewing didn't want to play the 4 and that forced the hands of the Knicks brass. Perfect example of how star players run the organization, not the other way around!
    I actually don't remember Jordan playing the point although I have seen Pippen play the 1 a bunch of times.
    You remember how good Horace Grant was right? I've been trying to explain to these guys Horace Grant was a tremendous player, just not a flashy one. I always thought he was a James Worthy clone.

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    If they are concern with the future

    1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

    2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

    3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

    4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

    5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    If they are concern with the future

    1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

    2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

    3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

    4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

    5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.

    Well, we all know u are mentioning Celebrity Coach Mike Damnphony

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    If they are concern with the future

    1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

    2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

    3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

    4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

    5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.

    1) ???
    2) ???
    3) Most coaches in the NBA have a short bench; this is not solely done by D'Antoni and this is a practice though out history.
    4) This is a complete myth that D'Antoni doesn't stress defense; he has a different defensive philosophy than you probably think you want. I see that a lot in this forum that we associate good defense with a slow half court game but D'Antoni's defensive scheme is not too body up the players because that will slow down the tempo, he wants to allow them too shoot but try to disrupt their rhythm using rebounding and shot blocking. He believes that if you out rebound the other team and you have the edge in the scoring percentage, that will add up to a win. It's logical when you think about it, don't give up the offensive rebounds and score 1 more point than the opponent...
    5) Gallo is not his son but the son of a friend that he played hoops with in Europe. Gallo is though of highly within the NBA ranks, not in this forum though.. Every team needs someone like a Gallo, Turgolu or Peja... Have a big man with long range abilities is a very valuable asset. Now, if you want to argue that he shouldn't start and maybe his role is better suited as a 6th man I might agree with you.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    I thought Cartwright at center and Ewing at the 4 would have been a tremendous 5/4 combo ala The Admiral and Duncan! Ewing didn't want to play the 4 and that forced the hands of the Knicks brass. Perfect example of how star players run the organization, not the other way around!
    I actually don't remember Jordan playing the point although I have seen Pippen play the 1 a bunch of times.
    You remember how good Horace Grant was right? I've been trying to explain to these guys Horace Grant was a tremendous player, just not a flashy one. I always thought he was a James Worthy clone.

    A Great Point!
    And probably the main reason why Patrick Ewing cant get in good
    grace with owner Dolan.
    The Knicks were a losing team the first two seasons with Ewing.
    Cartwright came back from a 2 year injury healthy in Ewings 3rd season,
    and with a rookie PG-Mark Jackson averaging 10 assist with the twin-towers
    the Knicks became a .500+ team again.

    P.S. The Miami Heat Big-3 is only a player away from being a 3 consecutive title team.
    So why are Knick-Fans talking about a Knick championship team, when this season
    Championship belongs to Lakers or Boston.
    Doc Rivers and Phil Jackson would SWEEP any team Dantoni coach...

    end of story

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    1) ???
    2) ???
    3) Most coaches in the NBA have a short bench; this is not solely done by D'Antoni and this is a practice though out history.
    4) This is a complete myth that D'Antoni doesn't stress defense; he has a different defensive philosophy than you probably think you want. I see that a lot in this forum that we associate good defense with a slow half court game but D'Antoni's defensive scheme is not too body up the players because that will slow down the tempo, he wants to allow them too shoot but try to disrupt their rhythm using rebounding and shot blocking. He believes that if you out rebound the other team and you have the edge in the scoring percentage, that will add up to a win. It's logical when you think about it, don't give up the offensive rebounds and score 1 more point than the opponent...
    5) Gallo is not his son but the son of a friend that he played hoops with in Europe. Gallo is though of highly within the NBA ranks, not in this forum though.. Every team needs someone like a Gallo, Turgolu or Peja... Have a big man with long range abilities is a very valuable asset. Now, if you want to argue that he shouldn't start and maybe his role is better suited as a 6th man I might agree with you.

    3) losing coaches have a short rotation in the regular season.
    Short rotation are mainly used in a postseason series (7+ players).
    4) Its obvious as a ducks quack that Dantoni knows nothing about
    team-defense on the right side or left side of the court for players
    to switch teammates quickly. Dantoni dont teach that kind of coaching
    or else u wouldve seen it when he was coaching Big-Shaq, or within
    his 3rd season with the Knicks.
    5) Gallo never did anything off the bench to earned 33 minutes per game
    or the right to be a starter on the Knicks. It makes the Knicks franchise
    look bad b/c more than half of the players did not agree with Gallo playingtime
    & being a starter, so half of the roster was DNP throughout the season.
    The Knicks had to give Amare $100M guranteed contract b/c no superstar or
    star players wanted to be apart of such foolishness under Damnphony...

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