Is the Knicks plan the right plan for the future?

Which out of these star studded lineups, is the best?

  • Magic Johnson, kareem abdul Jabbar, James Worthy, Kurt Rambis

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Bill Walton

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Michael Jordon, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, John Paxon

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Robert Horry

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Rajo Rondo

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • LeBron James, James Wade, Chris Bosh

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    15

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
Thank you for that video! What a treat to see Magic and Dr. J.... At my age I was lucky enough to catch the end of Dr. J's career... When I talk about seeing a player vs. clips and the occasional full game on a classics sports channel is night and day. When you saw Magic play, it was a real treat. Also, Jordan would not have been Jordan if not for Dr. J who really was that first flashy dunker/finisher in the NBA. I mean other players dunked balls through out history but Dr. J made it an art form.
Jordan was the first player that I saw that could take the game on his shoulders and through sheer will, get a win. Magic could dominate but he also was the greatest floor general I ever saw. This was a guy that would get the ball to a player and you would swear he threw it right through the defender... You almost wanted to check the guy to make sure he didn't have a gapping hole in his chest! lol
You know, it's funny but I guess I am starting to turn into one of these older guys that get stuck on their preconceived notions. I have been lucky enough to have seen some great PGs... I know that positions evolve over time and I guess when I watch some of the PGs of today, Paul and Williams, I see Point Guards that have expanded their games out side of the floor general role to a scoring role as well. I guess coaches like Larry Brown are having the same handicap....
Also, getting back to my original point... I like Paul and would want him I just feel that Paul and STAT is a better blend than STAT and Melo.... I think we would see a better result if we are only able to get 1 of the 2.... I see Melo a better fit with Dwight Howard than STAT....
 
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Kiyaman

Legend
I like building off the past to make a brighter future

The most important impression the super-stars of the past were so great
at inwhich few of the super-stars today has commited themselves to do
was to take a below average Rondo & Perkins and make them into Star-Players.

Magic Johnson took a star base Laker team that could never go to the
next-level in the postseason games for several years to the Championship
ring level.
Jordan & Pippin improve the level of all their teammates to go on to the
next-level.
Larry Bird improve the level of all the Celtics teammates to go on to the
next-level.
CP3 has improve the level of all his teammates in every season in his NBA
career.

As an old Knick-Fan their were only three star players in the Knicks
franchise career that went all out to improve the performance of their
Knicks teammates: Earl the Pearl Monroe, Bernard King, and Mark Jackson.
No-offense to any other star Knick players in the past or future, but none
has sacrifice as much at improving their teammates performance as the
three players above while on the Knicks.

Amare & Carmelo are actually the same frontcourt player..... weak on
defensive effort/rebounding/and improving the level of their teammates
performance. The two players has yet to show they are "complimentary-
teammates" in any of the seasons in their NBA career.
Last week I recall the Lakers vs Thunder game where Kobe Bryant was
doing his best to prove to headcoach Jax that Kobe got distribution in
his game LOL.

P.S. The season before Jordan won his first Championship Ring, Jordan
actually played all 82 games as the Bulls starting PG, with Paxon at SG,
Pippin at SF, and Oakley at PF. This was why Knick President Chekkett
was stupid to trade a healthy C-Bill Cartwright (who just help Ewing to
find his offense/defense game) to the Chicago Bulls. PF-Horace Grant
strong performance the next 4 years made it look like Charles Oakley was
never missed in Chicago by winning 3 straight Championships, plus having
the best winning season in the NBA without Jordan in the 4th season after
the trade.
:smokin: :gony: :smokin:
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Magic could dominate but he also was the greatest floor general I ever saw. This was a guy that would get the ball to a player and you would swear he threw it right through the defender... You almost wanted to check the guy to make sure he didn't have a gapping hole in his chest! lol
FANTASTIC!!!
Also, getting back to my original point... I like Paul and would want him I just feel that Paul and STAT is a better blend than STAT and Melo.... I think we would see a better result if we are only able to get 1 of the 2.... I see Melo a better fit with Dwight Howard than STAT....
:agreed::agreed::agreed::agreed::agreed::agreed:

Amare needs a scoring PG with a quick-eye and quick-passing ability
(off the dribble) to get other teammates into the offense any time he
wants to, especially a nonscoring center, which speaks high volume on
CP3 super-star performance (Tyson Chandler & Okafor).
If u add CP3 with Miami's BIG-3 thats like 6 consecutive Championship Rings!
Carmelo would be the perfect foward along with Turk & Bass in a rotation
to give D.Howard his Championship Ring.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
The building process future plans

So many peeps been down on PG-Toney Douglas performance this season,
without noticing Raymond Felton 40 minutes on the court never shares the
playmaking duties with the 2nd season PG-Douglas.
However, Douglas relentless defensive effort has caused all kinds of havoc in
our oponents offense. Douglas playmaking maybe young and raw but somehow
Douglas finds away to get Turiaf/ Chandler/ Gallo/and Fields into the offense
better than Felton who is always looking to shoot or pass to Amare.
When Douglas has the ball the above players start moving without the ball knowing
Douglas will hit them with the ball (they may have to dribble to get their shot off
but they are receiving a pass closer to the basket).

Toney Douglas & Landry Fields (growth) should be in the Knicks Future-Plans...
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
The most important impression the super-stars of the past were so great
at inwhich few of the super-stars today has commited themselves to do
was to take a below average Rondo & Perkins and make them into Star-Players.

Magic Johnson took a star base Laker team that could never go to the
next-level in the postseason games for several years to the Championship
ring level.
Jordan & Pippin improve the level of all their teammates to go on to the
next-level.
Larry Bird improve the level of all the Celtics teammates to go on to the
next-level.
CP3 has improve the level of all his teammates in every season in his NBA
career.

As an old Knick-Fan their were only three star players in the Knicks
franchise career that went all out to improve the performance of their
Knicks teammates: Earl the Pearl Monroe, Bernard King, and Mark Jackson.
No-offense to any other star Knick players in the past or future, but none
has sacrifice as much at improving their teammates performance as the
three players above while on the Knicks.

Amare & Carmelo are actually the same frontcourt player..... weak on
defensive effort/rebounding/and improving the level of their teammates
performance. The two players has yet to show they are "complimentary-
teammates" in any of the seasons in their NBA career.
Last week I recall the Lakers vs Thunder game where Kobe Bryant was
doing his best to prove to headcoach Jax that Kobe got distribution in
his game LOL.

P.S. The season before Jordan won his first Championship Ring, Jordan
actually played all 82 games as the Bulls starting PG, with Paxon at SG,
Pippin at SF, and Oakley at PF. This was why Knick President Chekkett
was stupid to trade a healthy C-Bill Cartwright (who just help Ewing to
find his offense/defense game) to the Chicago Bulls. PF-Horace Grant
strong performance the next 4 years made it look like Charles Oakley was
never missed in Chicago by winning 3 straight Championships, plus having
the best winning season in the NBA without Jordan in the 4th season after
the trade.
:smokin: :gony: :smokin:

I thought Cartwright at center and Ewing at the 4 would have been a tremendous 5/4 combo ala The Admiral and Duncan! Ewing didn't want to play the 4 and that forced the hands of the Knicks brass. Perfect example of how star players run the organization, not the other way around!
I actually don't remember Jordan playing the point although I have seen Pippen play the 1 a bunch of times.
You remember how good Horace Grant was right? I've been trying to explain to these guys Horace Grant was a tremendous player, just not a flashy one. I always thought he was a James Worthy clone.
 
If they are concern with the future

1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
If they are concern with the future

1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.


Well, we all know u are mentioning Celebrity Coach Mike Damnphony
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
If they are concern with the future

1. They would not develop and start D-League players.

2. They would find a way to keep their best talents instead of selling them off in favor for less skilled players.

3. They will rest their players accordingly, so they will have energy when the game is on the line.

4. They would put together a coaching staff that stresses both Offense and Defense.

5. They would never allow the coaching staff to sign their kids to the team...especially when said kids ruin the teams chemistry.


1) ???
2) ???
3) Most coaches in the NBA have a short bench; this is not solely done by D'Antoni and this is a practice though out history.
4) This is a complete myth that D'Antoni doesn't stress defense; he has a different defensive philosophy than you probably think you want. I see that a lot in this forum that we associate good defense with a slow half court game but D'Antoni's defensive scheme is not too body up the players because that will slow down the tempo, he wants to allow them too shoot but try to disrupt their rhythm using rebounding and shot blocking. He believes that if you out rebound the other team and you have the edge in the scoring percentage, that will add up to a win. It's logical when you think about it, don't give up the offensive rebounds and score 1 more point than the opponent...
5) Gallo is not his son but the son of a friend that he played hoops with in Europe. Gallo is though of highly within the NBA ranks, not in this forum though.. Every team needs someone like a Gallo, Turgolu or Peja... Have a big man with long range abilities is a very valuable asset. Now, if you want to argue that he shouldn't start and maybe his role is better suited as a 6th man I might agree with you.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I thought Cartwright at center and Ewing at the 4 would have been a tremendous 5/4 combo ala The Admiral and Duncan! Ewing didn't want to play the 4 and that forced the hands of the Knicks brass. Perfect example of how star players run the organization, not the other way around!
I actually don't remember Jordan playing the point although I have seen Pippen play the 1 a bunch of times.
You remember how good Horace Grant was right? I've been trying to explain to these guys Horace Grant was a tremendous player, just not a flashy one. I always thought he was a James Worthy clone.


A Great Point!
And probably the main reason why Patrick Ewing cant get in good
grace with owner Dolan.
The Knicks were a losing team the first two seasons with Ewing.
Cartwright came back from a 2 year injury healthy in Ewings 3rd season,
and with a rookie PG-Mark Jackson averaging 10 assist with the twin-towers
the Knicks became a .500+ team again.

P.S. The Miami Heat Big-3 is only a player away from being a 3 consecutive title team.
So why are Knick-Fans talking about a Knick championship team, when this season
Championship belongs to Lakers or Boston.
Doc Rivers and Phil Jackson would SWEEP any team Dantoni coach...

end of story
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Try a better detergent

1) ???
2) ???
3) Most coaches in the NBA have a short bench; this is not solely done by D'Antoni and this is a practice though out history.
4) This is a complete myth that D'Antoni doesn't stress defense; he has a different defensive philosophy than you probably think you want. I see that a lot in this forum that we associate good defense with a slow half court game but D'Antoni's defensive scheme is not too body up the players because that will slow down the tempo, he wants to allow them too shoot but try to disrupt their rhythm using rebounding and shot blocking. He believes that if you out rebound the other team and you have the edge in the scoring percentage, that will add up to a win. It's logical when you think about it, don't give up the offensive rebounds and score 1 more point than the opponent...
5) Gallo is not his son but the son of a friend that he played hoops with in Europe. Gallo is though of highly within the NBA ranks, not in this forum though.. Every team needs someone like a Gallo, Turgolu or Peja... Have a big man with long range abilities is a very valuable asset. Now, if you want to argue that he shouldn't start and maybe his role is better suited as a 6th man I might agree with you.


3) losing coaches have a short rotation in the regular season.
Short rotation are mainly used in a postseason series (7+ players).
4) Its obvious as a ducks quack that Dantoni knows nothing about
team-defense on the right side or left side of the court for players
to switch teammates quickly. Dantoni dont teach that kind of coaching
or else u wouldve seen it when he was coaching Big-Shaq, or within
his 3rd season with the Knicks.
5) Gallo never did anything off the bench to earned 33 minutes per game
or the right to be a starter on the Knicks. It makes the Knicks franchise
look bad b/c more than half of the players did not agree with Gallo playingtime
& being a starter, so half of the roster was DNP throughout the season.
The Knicks had to give Amare $100M guranteed contract b/c no superstar or
star players wanted to be apart of such foolishness under Damnphony...
 
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