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    TS% True Shooting Percentage calculates what a player’s shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers. True Shooting Percentage = (Total points x 50) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44)]

    Amare Stoudemire: 56.2 TS%
    Raymond Felton: 52.9 TS%
    Wilson Chandler: 55.9 TS%
    Danilo Gallinari: 60.3 TS%


    This is the most accurate way to judge a players efficiency as a scorer, much more accurate than fg% b/c it calculates free throws and 3 pointers into the equation.


    Maybe our 2Nd option should be Gallo instead of Felton or Wilson

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    Co-sign. A crisp, truthful post.

    There is another stat line, that is hinged on TS%, and also includes turnover ratios and such. Gallo excels even further there.
    Last edited by iSaYughh; Jan 24, 2011 at 15:29.

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    U redeemed yourself quite a bit w this one dude. Thoughtfully crafted post..

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    While useful, TS% is to an extent valuable only if the player can also play on the defensive side of the ball. Kevin Martin always has a high TS% but he's a sieve on D, look at him on Sacramento and Houston, sub .500 teams with him in the lineup.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    While useful, TS% is to an extent valuable only if the player can also play on the defensive side of the ball. Kevin Martin always has a high TS% but he's a sieve on D, look at him on Sacramento and Houston, sub .500 teams with him in the lineup.
    That's not a fair assessment of Kmart.. He was on the Kings team that went to the playoffs and gave the spurs a good battle back in 06. Yeah his defense is sub par you have a point, but he's not the reason for his teams being sub .500. Just not enough talent surrounding him in a tough western conference.

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    This is so overrated. FG% already takes into account 3pt accuracy and adding in FTs is stupid because its not a shot you can take anytime you want. FTs are conditional while everything else is free will.

    Why include a shot where no one can be 3-4 feet anywhere near you while you take it?

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    A true shooting percentage is designed to measure points scored per shot attempted. If a player takes 10 two point shots and hits 5 of them his FG % is 50% and with his 10 attempts he has scored 10 points. If a player takes 10 three point.shots and hits 4 of them, his FG% is 40%, but with his ten attempts he has scored 12 points. If a player takes 9 shots, and let's assume they are two point shots, and makes four of them, his FG% is 44.4%. If on a 1oth shot he gets fouled and makes both, then on 10 attempts, he has scored 10 points.

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    Cool, lets sell this bridge to Denver or any other team that fits his style of play. I'm not impressed at all with his flopping and dropping for points, thats cheap ball, it leaves us exposed and it slows down the tempo of the game. Williams and Walker should be ahead of him on the pine. The numbers mean nothing if they don't contribute to wins.

    Oh, and did I mention he's the coach's son?

    Our situation this year is unique like no other. We might not have another opportunity like this again. Not with Dolan, not with Walsh aging, and Zeke lurking.

    This is the vibe i'm picking up here around the board...keep the coach's non-athletic streaky shooter son, and trade away our better players...players that compliment the team more. Am I clear about this?

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    i agree with people that the TS% can only go so far.

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    Take this with a grain of salt...

    The NBA leader in true shooting %age for the last 3 years running is Nene Hilario.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    This is so overrated. FG% already takes into account 3pt accuracy and adding in FTs is stupid because its not a shot you can take anytime you want. FTs are conditional while everything else is free will.

    Why include a shot where no one can be 3-4 feet anywhere near you while you take it?
    Because it's a shot. Whether FT's are conditional or not has no baring on whether player is proficient in that particular facet.

    So because Gallo is aggressive, gets to the line a lot and is accurate from there his true shooting % is effected.

    Kewl. I like the formula.

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    TS% True Shooting Percentage calculates what a player’s shooting percentage would be if we accounted for free throws and 3-pointers. True Shooting Percentage = (Total points x 50) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44)]

    Amare Stoudemire: 56.2 TS%
    Raymond Felton: 52.9 TS%
    Wilson Chandler: 55.9 TS%
    Danilo Gallinari: 60.3 TS%


    This is the most accurate way to judge a players efficiency as a scorer, much more accurate than fg% b/c it calculates free throws and 3 pointers into the equation.


    Maybe our 2Nd option should be Gallo instead of Felton or Wilson
    this is a joke....

    maybe gallo should be our first option..

    this is yet another "lets praise gallo" thread...im not hatin on him.. but he is not nearly as good as some people think....

    he should come up with a new dance.. The EuroFlop

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92

    Maybe our 2Nd option should be Gallo instead of Felton or Wilson
    gallo's TS is high because he drives to the basket every time and draws fouls, it doesn't reflect anything else. is TS is bumped up because he is a good free throw shooter, you can't expect wilson or felton to have a higher TS because they don't get as many free throw attempts. you dont even account for the times that he EXPECTS to get fouled and then ends up throwing up an airball = turnover. the only guy on the team thats a legitimate option is amare, everyone else is not an option. we run plays and move the ball not isolation every time.

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    Originally Posted by elcol
    gallo's TS is high because he drives to the basket every time and draws fouls, it doesn't reflect anything else. is TS is bumped up because he is a good free throw shooter,.
    And can you tell me how this negatively affects our team or Gallo??? If anything this benefits us,our best freethrow shooter getting to the line at 6 times a game and hitting them at a high clip.Think about it if Gallo gets 5 touches on the basketball and he gets to the line 3 times and converts 1 three pointer he would have 9 points on 1FGA while putting the other team 2 fouls away from the bonus. Now let's say Felton takes 5 touches on the basketball and converts 3-3 on three pointer and misses the other two shots he will have 9 points on 3-5FGA and that's it. So why shouldn't Gallo have a higher TS than Felton?

    Originally Posted by elcol
    you can't expect wilson or felton to have a higher TS because they don't get as many free throw attempts.
    I don't expect them to, nor should they be our 2nd and 3rd option when it is obvious that Gallo is performing more efficiently.You are making it seem as if Gallo's penetrating and getting to the freethrow line is actually hurting the team when it is helping because besides Amare no one else draws fouls.

    Originally Posted by elcol
    you dont even account for the times that he EXPECTS to get fouled and then ends up throwing up an airball = turnover.
    Now you are trying to single little things out to find a fault because Gallo barely shoots air balls. However I do agree there are times he braces himself for contact doesn't get the call and misses the layup, but these are accounted for and count as a missed FG. Also even with these lapses in his game Gallo still perfomes at a higher clip than Wilson and Felton.

    Originally Posted by elcol
    the only guy on the team thats a legitimate option is amare, everyone else is not an option. we run plays and move the ball not isolation every time.
    This post confused me a bit, What are you trying to say is Amare a legit option because we iso him or is it because we run no plays for anyone else??
    However if you just take a simple look at the Game logs you will see besides Amare Gallo is out performing everyone else on the team in terms of scoring.

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