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Thread: If we get melo..we cant get a max in 2012 w/o giving up gallo..so give him up now..

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    Originally Posted by la2ny
    I'd take Lawson or Birdman instead of Billups. Hell why hasn't anyone thought about getting Afflalo.Also didn't he state he doesn't want to leave Denver and he'd seek a buyout if traded?
    denver wont give up lawson.... and probably not affalo either......

    if billups gets traded here he will play this season out... he knows we wont be picking up that team option...and Denver doenst plan on either.... so he can return to denver if he wants in the summer..

    In this case...

    our only problem would be... who is our PG to sart the 11/12 season????

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    Originally Posted by moneyg
    denver wont give up lawson.... and probably not affalo either......

    if billups gets traded here he will play this season out... he knows we wont be picking up that team option...and Denver doenst plan on either.... so he can return to denver if he wants in the summer..

    In this case...

    our only problem would be... who is our PG to sart the 11/12 season????
    We should keep felton and trade him for cp3 in the 11/12 season

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    We should keep felton and trade him for cp3 in the 11/12 season
    how is felton valuable to any team.....

    after next year when he can go whereever he wants...

    if felton gets us melo... do it..

    We would of been happy with gettin both Amare and Melo and building around them last July... were about 7 months behind the plan.. but its not to late..

    give denver a good deal and lets get this over with.. then maybe we can start to incorporate defensive player around them...

    Denver would rather roll the dice....than take a low ball deal.. lets be logical

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    Originally Posted by la2ny
    I'd take Lawson or Birdman instead of Billups. Hell why hasn't anyone thought about getting Afflalo.Also didn't he state he doesn't want to leave Denver and he'd seek a buyout if traded?
    I agree but part of them sending us Billips is ridding themselves of his contract. That's why they would want to include him in the deal. I would love Affalo and would easily take Lawson or Birdman but I doubt they would want to send them off when they could get rid of Billups.

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    Denver gets: H.Thabeet, D.Gallinari, W.Chandler, E.Curry, 1st round pick from Memphis

    Memphis gets: A.Harrington, K.Azubuike

    Minnesota gets: A.Randolph, R.Mason

    New York gets: C.Anthony, C.Anderson, O.Mayo, S.Telfair

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    with the New CBA coming out how do we know what a max salary will be?

    If Chris Paul wants to get paid he better get traded now or re-sign with N.O. because FA's are about to get max deals starting at about 14.5 million with very few years guaranteed (I'd say 4 at the best).

    so imagine if The Knicks sported this roster

    Amare
    Melo
    Gallo
    Feilds
    Mozgov (surely by then he wouldve learned how to catch the ball)
    Toney D


    I think Paul would take a pay cut to run that team even if he didnt get max money!

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    with the New CBA coming out how do we know what a max salary will be?

    If Chris Paul wants to get paid he better get traded now or re-sign with N.O. because FA's are about to get max deals starting at about 14.5 million with very few years guaranteed (I'd say 4 at the best).

    so imagine if The Knicks sported this roster

    Amare
    Melo
    Gallo
    Feilds
    Mozgov (surely by then he wouldve learned how to catch the ball)
    Toney D


    I think Paul would take a pay cut to run that team even if he didnt get max money!
    i dont believe CP3 can not sign an extension until next year.. after the CBA...

    if the CBA cuts back max contracts.. the question is.. do they cut the salary cap.. or do they increase it.. i hope they increase it....

    however.. all this is spectulation... the future...

    MELO is the past, present and the future.. and there aint another player on our team or a combination of them (other than stat) that can give me us a definite..

    MELO CAN

    Amare has been callin out his teamates all year....

    MELO OR BUST

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    If everything stays the same, there will not be enough cap space to sign CP3, if we get Melo. Remember, Lebron and Bosh took $14.5 mil and Wade took $14 mil to play together. Amare is getting $20 mil and with Melo's extension, Melo will get $21 mil. Our guys are too greedy to allow a 3rd max contract. It is finacially impossible for us to sign CP3 and Melo. Unless CP3 is willing to take $8 mil (he would laugh at that) or the cap increases to $66-70 mil (all indicatons are it will shrink).

    And if we can't expect Melo to wait out a season for free agency, how can we expect CP3 to wait out two seasons?

    CP3 will be traded. And if we give away all our assets to get Melo, we will have nothing to trade to get CP3 and no cap space to sign him. Having Gallo + Fields + Randolph + draft picks + Turiaf's expiring contract to offer for CP3 THIS SUMMER, is our best route to get CP3. Then we can compete for a championship next year.

    So actually, if you want CP3 here, it is better for us to sign Melo this summer, not trade for him.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    If everything stays the same, there will not be enough cap space to sign CP3, if we get Melo. Remember, Lebron and Bosh took $14.5 mil and Wade took $14 mil to play together. Amare is getting $20 mil and with Melo's extension, Melo will get $21 mil. Our guys are too greedy to allow a 3rd max contract. It is finacially impossible for us to sign CP3 and Melo. Unless CP3 is willing to take $8 mil (he would laugh at that) or the cap increases to $66-70 mil (all indicatons are it will shrink).

    And if we can't expect Melo to wait out a season for free agency, how can we expect CP3 to wait out two seasons?

    CP3 will be traded. And if we give away all our assets to get Melo, we will have nothing to trade to get CP3 and no cap space to sign him. Having Gallo + Fields + Randolph + draft picks + Turiaf's expiring contract to offer for CP3 THIS SUMMER, is our best route to get CP3. Then we can compete for a championship next year.

    So actually, if you want CP3 here, it is better for us to sign Melo this summer, not trade for him.

    Where were you in the other thread when I wrote about how we needed to keep some assets to trade for CP3 and everyone said the plan is to sign CP3 in the offseason as it was some sort of possibility?

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    If everything stays the same, there will not be enough cap space to sign CP3, if we get Melo. Remember, Lebron and Bosh took $14.5 mil and Wade took $14 mil to play together. Amare is getting $20 mil and with Melo's extension, Melo will get $21 mil. Our guys are too greedy to allow a 3rd max contract. It is finacially impossible for us to sign CP3 and Melo. Unless CP3 is willing to take $8 mil (he would laugh at that) or the cap increases to $66-70 mil (all indicatons are it will shrink).

    And if we can't expect Melo to wait out a season for free agency, how can we expect CP3 to wait out two seasons?

    CP3 will be traded. And if we give away all our assets to get Melo, we will have nothing to trade to get CP3 and no cap space to sign him. Having Gallo + Fields + Randolph + draft picks + Turiaf's expiring contract to offer for CP3 THIS SUMMER, is our best route to get CP3. Then we can compete for a championship next year.

    So actually, if you want CP3 here, it is better for us to sign Melo this summer, not trade for him.
    Bingo.

    My argument against pulling the trigger on the Melo trade was that we should stockpile our assets for a potential trade for a Chris Paul/Deron Williams trade (although I doubt Utah is going to trade Deron Williams, they'd probably rather let him just walk out of spite).

    If we sign Melo as a free agent then we can trade Felton + Gallinari + Randolph + Walker + first rounder for Chris Paul (is a Wilson Chandler Sign + Trade possible if he's an RFA? That'd be an interesting angle to pursue). The Hornets don't have an owner, they might very well get contracted, there's no better time to trade CP3 than when his contract is an expiring.

    It'll be similar to what the Celtics did when they made their super-team, they started with Paul Pierce and then got two superstars in one off-season, except our superstars will be players who are in their primes and thus ready to dominate for the next 5-6 years.

    We'd have to have decent drafts to build talent but keep this in mind - having CP3, Carmelo, and Amar'e would allow us to sign prime free agent role players to minimum and/or MLE-level deals. That means we could pick up guys like Samuel Dalembert or TJ Ford at minimum-level deals and create a team of 3 superstars + roleplayers.

    Don't forget that a team doesn't really need to be that awesome from 1-5. All you really need is two superstars and good roleplayers around them to win a championship (ie Lakers). If we can pick up our own big 3 and then surround them with solid roleplayers like Landry Fields and Timofey Mozgov and Dalembert/Ford/Perkins/whatever, we'll be well on our way to a championship (I still think we have to find the right coach, but whatever)

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    Seriously, think about it like this.

    We're at a point where we can pick up Carmelo Anthony as an FA where the only player we lose is Wilson Chandler (I'm pretty sure we can't afford the cap hold to retain his bird rights while having the cap space to sign Carmelo to a max deal).

    If we lose Chandler and sign Carmelo as an FA, that leaves us with plenty of trading assets for CP3. Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov, TD, Walker, Fields, Rautins, Randolph, all of these guys are expendable for CP3.

    Trade 4 of those players for CP3 in the off-season and sign Carmelo and we're the next Boston Celtics and well on our way. Could you imagine the damage a player like CP3 could do in this offense (or any offense, for that matter)?

    Have we truly thought about the reality of a CP3-Amar'e Pick and Roll duo being quite possibly the best of all time? Or Amar'e kicking it out the CP3 on the wing or Melo from mid-range? Let's be honest if we got CP3 and Melo to go with Amar'e we'd have the best Knicks team ever since the 70's.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Seriously, think about it like this.

    We're at a point where we can pick up Carmelo Anthony as an FA where the only player we lose is Wilson Chandler (I'm pretty sure we can't afford the cap hold to retain his bird rights while having the cap space to sign Carmelo to a max deal).

    If we lose Chandler and sign Carmelo as an FA, that leaves us with plenty of trading assets for CP3. Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov, TD, Walker, Fields, Rautins, Randolph, all of these guys are expendable for CP3.

    Trade 4 of those players for CP3 in the off-season and sign Carmelo and we're the next Boston Celtics and well on our way. Could you imagine the damage a player like CP3 could do in this offense (or any offense, for that matter)?

    Have we truly thought about the reality of a CP3-Amar'e Pick and Roll duo being quite possibly the best of all time? Or Amar'e kicking it out the CP3 on the wing or Melo from mid-range? Let's be honest if we got CP3 and Melo to go with Amar'e we'd have the best Knicks team ever since the 70's.
    Unfortunatley, this will not happen either. Melo wants his money. When was the last time a star athlete didn't get everything they wanted?

    We will trade many of our assets for Melo because Melo is demanding his money. And we will forever be a 3rd/4th seed 2nd round exit in the playoffs because of it.

    Well, at least Melo will be happy with his $65 mil, instead of $50 mil, even though he's already made over $100 mil in his career so far. Good for him. I'm glad we are able to make Melo happy at the sacrifice of ever winning a championship. As long as Melo is happy, the Knicks shouldn't matter.

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    Either way this is a very hypothetical situation which probably will have 0% chance of happening after the new cba.

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    I just did a trade through the trade machine on espn and it makes a lot of sense, its a 3 way between clipps, knicks, nuggets

    Knicks get: Melo, Deandre Jordan( RFA after season)

    Nuggets get: Chandler, Curry, Gallo and Mason jr

    Clipps get: Anthony Randolph

    What do u guys think

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    Originally Posted by knicks47
    I just did a trade through the trade machine on espn and it makes a lot of sense, its a 3 way between clipps, knicks, nuggets

    Knicks get: Melo, Deandre Jordan( RFA after season)

    Nuggets get: Chandler, Curry, Gallo and Mason jr

    Clipps get: Anthony Randolph

    What do u guys think
    Dont really understand why LA would do that deal

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