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    Originally Posted by Red
    The verdict is in.

    ARE you on drugs? 6th seed in the East means NOTHING!!!!!!!

    BEHIND Bos, Mia, Chi, and Orl...

    Mind as well say we made strides by having an allstar get voted on. In the grand scheme means nothing. Dont get it twisted.

    2nd in ppg, 29th in opg. You think that's a coincidence? Really? One has nothing to do with the other? You, of all peple who can supposedly analyze objectively, haven't figured that out. Wow.

    How much evidence do you need... on top of the fact it hasn't won given plenty of ample opportunity?

    Wow, you know what, out of all the arguing and insults and whatever, you have yet to prove you can analyze objectively. You have yet to show you understand the limits and what needs changing.

    That's insane, according to Einstein. All the evidence suggests

    MDA is nothing more than an offensive coordinator. That's it. Again preaching and teaching are 2 different things. There is nothing with mda's defense to teach. Rotations.... seriously? Putting Jared Jeffries or Chandler on the opponents best player.... really?

    If Mda was 1/2 the defensive coach he is offensive then maybe he has a shot at a chip.

    And I am more than aware of MDA's (and the media, msg) increased usage of Defensive vernacular when being interviewed or on the sidelines. Its so obvious to me, he chooses spots to over emphasize defense to the viewing public, for his rep.

    But I'll look at it like this, I don't think eveyone has the ability to see if defense is taught or spoken. I do, and when I see it I'll let you know.

    Verdict is in and the 6th seed means nothing!? You are silly! So answer me this...do we have a better roster than any of the teams ahead of us? Which one of those teams should we be ahead of if only we had a different coach?

    It means a lot and is not a moral victory like an all-star birth as you suggest. It factually gives us a playoff birth and a chance at a chip. We were the 8th seed and made the finals so anything is possible. Probable? No, but possible! Further you are ignoring that we have a big gaping 14+ million dollar hole in our roster!

    Further, you keep repeating this mantra of the difference between teaching and preaching defense pretending to have some insider information on what goes in practices that we all don't have. Now, you use the Kiyamanesque induction of D'ants inner motives and have concluded that his talk about defense is only for media consumption!

    Lets get a bit of prespective thats actually based on fact:

    It’s worth noting that Jeffries was a bit of an anomaly: the only Knicks starter who was on the court purely for his defense. Coach Mike D’Antoni loved Jeffries’ length and his versatility – he could guard all five positions and switch on every pick-and-roll.

    Jeffries, in fact, presents a strong counter-argument to those who contend that D’Antoni cares only about offense. Jeffries was easily the Knicks’ least skilled offensive player. Yet he started 37 of 52 games this season and was sixth in minutes per game (28.1). He led the Knicks in charges drawn.
    What did JJ have to say?

    I think that Mike’s a realist,’’ Jeffries said. “Defending, like anything else in the NBA, is a talent level. And you can’t have people that are not great defenders and expect them to be great defenders. Just like you can’t have people that aren’t great scorers and expect them to be great scorers. He put me out there to be a defender and he puts guys out there to be scorers. He does focus on defense, but if you don’t have defensive players, then you’re not going to be a great defensive team.’
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    Check to the mate! He is backing up everything I have always said...it's the roster not the coach that will determine how good a team is on defense. You rather blame a system while ignore the roster that forced us to play small which in turn causes us to be out rebounded and give up more points as a result of the extra possessions.

    You keep pretending to read minds and cling to a preformed "verdict" in spite of new information all you want but it does not fool me.
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    Originally Posted by MusketeerX
    There is so much here it is hard to parse out, but I do want to address that if we had a different coach it wouldn't solve our size problem. D'Antoni is the reason for that problem. He wants smaller teams for his offense. How many times have we seen him. Go small (First Lakers Game This Year) and get burned by it. This is how D'Antoni like his system, and he either has to change his mind or we are going to need a different coach to accept us more all-around plyers into the line-up.
    D'ant started the year with Moz as the starting center so you are wrong. Who on the roster do you suggest he start when Turiaf is injured, Moz was a Russian rookie project only now showing any type of readiness and AR who is a perennial under achiever not yet ready for meaningful minutes on a team competing for the playoffs?

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Verdict is in and the 6th seed means nothing!? You are silly! So answer me this...do we have a better roster than any of the teams ahead of us? Which one of those teams should we be ahead of if only we had a different coach?

    It means a lot and is not a moral victory like an all-star birth as you suggest. It factually gives us a playoff birth and a chance at a chip. We were the 8th seed and made the finals so anything is possible. Probable? No, but possible! Further you are ignoring that we have a big gaping 14+ million dollar hole in our roster!

    Further, you keep repeating this mantra of the difference between teaching and preaching defense pretending to have some insider information on what goes in practices that we all don't have. Now, you use the Kiyamanesque induction of D'ants inner motives and have concluded that his talk about defense is only for media consumption!

    Lets get a bit of prespective thats actually based on fact:



    What did JJ have to say?



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    Check to the mate! He is backing up everything I have always said...it's the roster not the coach that will determine how good a team is on defense. You rather blame a system while ignore the roster that forced us to play small which in turn causes us to be out rebounded and give up more points as a result of the extra possessions.

    You keep pretending to read minds and cling to a preformed "verdict" in spite of new information all you want but it does not fool me.
    Ha.... show me a team who makes the playoffs w a losing record and I'll show you a loser.

    The very definition of fools gold.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    D'ant started the year with Moz as the starting center so you are wrong. Who on the roster do you suggest he start when Turiaf is injured, Moz was a Russian rookie project only now showing any type of readiness and AR who is a perennial under achiever not yet ready for meaningful minutes on a team competing for the playoffs?
    Mozgov was ready... look at Detroit. D'Antoni had no confidence in the kid and just didn't believe him to be. Antohny Randolph can't be an underacheiver if he never gets a chance to prove himself... the kid needs playing time to get better. Ronny did play that game. He was taken out of starting line-up by choice. He played 6 minutes.... Gallinari was injured.

    Yes. You play your players. You need to sacrifice short term sometimes for the long term. MDA likes small teams... it is why he is always going to have an empty ring finger... our team is small b/c of the coach. Our team is a poor defensive team b/c of the coach. He likes offensive players over defensive.... we are in this position b/c of the coach.... not the players.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Ha.... show me a team who makes the playoffs w a losing record and I'll show you a loser.

    The very definition of fools gold.
    Dodge and deflect all you want but we factually have a WINNING record with 14 + million of our salary wasted on a burger eating trash bag. Further, I presented facts and quotes and you presented conspiracy theories and inferences of motive without a shred of proof!

    Dude, you formed this opinion when we were 3-5 on November 12th! It's no wonder you have taken the idiotic stance that the 6th seed means nothing.

    I also noticed that you failed to answer my direct questions so let me ask again:

    Do we have a better roster than any of the teams ahead of us?

    Which one of those teams should we be ahead of if only we had a different coach?

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    Originally Posted by MusketeerX
    Mozgov was ready... look at Detroit. D'Antoni had no confidence in the kid and just didn't believe him to be. Antohny Randolph can't be an underacheiver if he never gets a chance to prove himself... the kid needs playing time to get better. Ronny did play that game. He was taken out of starting line-up by choice. He played 6 minutes.... Gallinari was injured.

    Yes. You play your players. You need to sacrifice short term sometimes for the long term. MDA likes small teams... it is why he is always going to have an empty ring finger... our team is small b/c of the coach. Our team is a poor defensive team b/c of the coach. He likes offensive players over defensive.... we are in this position b/c of the coach.... not the players.
    Stating something as true and proving your case are two different things. You are guilty of the first and have yet to try the second...

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Dodge and deflect all you want but we factually have a WINNING record with 14 + million of our salary wasted on a burger eating trash bag. Further, I presented facts and quotes and you presented conspiracy theories and inferences of motive without a shred of proof!

    Dude, you formed this opinion when we were 3-5 on November 12th! It's no wonder you have taken the idiotic stance that the 6th seed means nothing.

    I also noticed that you failed to answer my direct questions so let me ask again:

    Do we have a better roster than any of the teams ahead of us?

    Which one of those teams should we be ahead of if only we had a different coach
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    We have a roster equal to the Atl. Hawks and at one point we were competing with them for the 5th seed but Damntoni's small ball and play starters 35+min finally caught up to us and we went on to drop 6 games in a row, 4 of which we had no business losing.

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    We have a roster equal to the Atl. Hawks and at one point we were competing with them for the 5th seed but Damntoni's small ball and play starters 35+min finally caught up to us and we went on to drop 6 games in a row, 4 of which we had no business losing.
    No we don't. They have multiple stars and Crawford our former starter as their 6th man. Further, they have played together as a team for years while we are new. Please, stop.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    No we don't. They have multiple stars and Crawford our former starter as their 6th man. Further, they have played together as a team for years while we are new. Please, stop.
    Felton>Bibby
    Joe Johnson>Fields
    Gallo>Marvin Williams
    Amare>Josh Smith
    Horford>Mozgov

    Bench:
    Chandler=Crawford
    Douglas>Teague
    Walker,Williams= Pachuila, Wilkens

    How are they a better team again?With a no-nonsense coach we would have about 30wins already.How do you lose to the Cavs,Kings and Clippers? Small Ball is how

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    Felton>Bibby
    Joe Johnson>Fields
    Gallo>Marvin Williams
    Amare>Josh Smith
    Horford>Mozgov

    Bench:
    Chandler=Crawford
    Douglas>Teague
    Walker,Williams= Pachuila, Wilkens

    How are they a better team again?With a no-nonsense coach we would have about 30wins already.How do you lose to the Cavs,Kings and Clippers? Small Ball is how
    Because most of the major cogs of the Hawks have been playing together for the last 3 years as opposed to the last 40 games.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Because most of the major cogs of the Hawks have been playing together for the last 3 years as opposed to the last 40 games.
    How long had the Big 3 been playing together when they went on to win the Championship?

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    How long had the Big 3 been playing together when they went on to win the Championship?
    Do we have as much talent as (either) Big Three?

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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    Felton>Bibby
    Joe Johnson>Fields
    Gallo>Marvin Williams
    Amare>Josh Smith
    Horford>Mozgov

    Bench:
    Chandler=Crawford
    Douglas>Teague
    Walker,Williams= Pachuila, Wilkens

    How are they a better team again?With a no-nonsense coach we would have about 30wins already.How do you lose to the Cavs,Kings and Clippers? Small Ball is how
    I don't think the comparisons are that easy.

    There is a degree of how much a player is better then the other.

    Like Joe Johnson is MUCH MUCH better then Fields, and STAT is better the Josh Smith. Harford is MUCH better the Mozgov.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    And I am more than aware of MDA's (and the media, msg) increased usage of Defensive vernacular when being interviewed or on the sidelines. Its so obvious to me, he chooses spots to over emphasize defense to the viewing public, for his rep.
    Damn I though I was the only one to notice that.

    I dare anyone to go back (if you can find it) and look at old JVG post game interviews when he speaks on defense. You can clearly see he is more passionate about it, thus it comes across as genuine. Dantoni seems like he's just mentioning it to satisfy the masses.


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    Originally Posted by Knicksfansince92
    Felton>Bibby
    Joe Johnson>Fields
    Gallo>Marvin Williams
    Amare>Josh Smith
    Horford>Mozgov

    Bench:
    Chandler=Crawford
    Douglas>Teague
    Walker,Williams= Pachuila, Wilkens

    How are they a better team again?With a no-nonsense coach we would have about 30wins already.How do you lose to the Cavs,Kings and Clippers? Small Ball is how
    You forget that we have been playing both Chandler and Amare out of position due to our lack of depth. Further as Kblack pointed out the comparisons are flawed and not as simple as you try to make them appear and they have a cohesive unit that has been playing together for years.

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