I mean their system isn't designed to utilize a big off the low blocks. He does exactly what the system needs him to do, what our system needs someone to do, and he's one of the best at it.
Size, set screens
Intimidates, alters shots, blocks
Get put backs.
The dirty work. He's not really the focus of their system, but when he gets it going, he gets his regardless. What he lacks is grace and decision making. That usually comes with maturity.
Do you think our systems are similar? One thing I notice is our system really isn't desinged for any individual, but rather a team based system, where anyone can go off.
That to me can be good and bad. Because at times a player might be hot, or have a mismatch and it cantbe exploited. And two when (if) we get stars, they expect plays to be run for them. I really don't see that. I see the basic get Amare the ball at the elbow let him do soemthing, but not really the curls screens used for specific players. Its more of a ball movement team concept, wait for the open shot, and again if a certain player is on fire it seems the only way he can keep it up is running the same exact play. If we deviate then chances are another takes the shot.
Simmons put my thoughts on D12 pretty well (and better than I ever could, seeing as he is a pro writer):
I do think that Amare would be a good "share-er" in the system, he loves the spotlight, which is why he is in NY. But he wants Carmelo here. He wants a title, and I think he knows that to attain it we are going to add significant pieces (but not at the cost of losing all the assets we have). If anything, I think that most people will admit that if you are not in the D'Antoni-doghouse (see: Robinson, Nate and Hill, Jordan), he is the best players coach. Amare, Carmelo and whomever of the 3 Fields, Gallo, Chandler are left never (excuse the pun) will even SNIFF the doghouse. Say what you want about D'Antoni, he dealt with personalities and stars on Team USA, he knows how to deal with big-time players, something that not everyone (see: Brown, Mike and Spoelstra, Eric (early season)) can do. If we get Carmelo, I don't see many people being able to deal with star power as much as I think D'Antoni can.He's one of the best players in the league, but you'd never make the case that he's the best. He's one of the most valuable players in the league, but you'd never say he's most valuable. We don't take him for granted, and we don't think he's overrated. He's Dwight Howard: the best center since Shaq, a franchise player for a fringe contender, someone who's very very very very very very good but not quite great. And that's why he's properly rated.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60
If you remember he tried a 10 man rotation at the beginning of this season. Unfortunately he found he did not have the players to sustain it and win consistently.
In Phoenix he usually ran teams game to game w an 8-9 man rotation during the reg reason and in the playoffs. This, unequivocally, did not work--> =great reg season, deep playoff runs & no chip.
I think and hope Mike D has learned from his experience, as well as what he's seen work for his former assistant coach Gentry.
IME, if coach D'antoni gets enough solid players to implement a 10 man rotation during the reg season, he could keep his players sufficiently fresh enough to shorten his rotation in the playoffs w positive effect- ie ability for his players to sustain effort on the defensive end while continuing to flow and flourish w SSOL style.
We need to be able to be fresh enough come playoff time to run and give a good 48 effort on dfense. To do this expanding the rotation during the regular season is the key. In order to expand it w good effect we need players. We're only in the first phase at this point. This is the formula I see for our team w Mike D going forward.
And yes theoretically we'd have to field a better team than what Mike D had in Phoenix. But isn't that the direction we're going in? I mean, its not out of bounds to ask for the best playerz possible to run your system right? That's the expectation of any org/ coach. And if you think about it those teams Mike D had in Phoenix over achieved IMO. We NEED to fill out our roster.
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Maybe if we overachieve this year, and go deep next year.
But like Lupica says the pressure is on coach to achieve and mounting the more "better" players we acquire.
And patience has never been our strong suit.
Seriously Hitman, I get you don't agree with the thread, won't I don't get is why take time to reply with nothing to say?smh.
You see, everyone always assumes hidden motives, but I tryuly wanted to facilitate this site, because I read the threads and noticed we go off course and don't stick on topic. I don't need a thread to defend my position on MDA because I already have.
Notice how we can NOW discus Melo in the trade thread, and anything else in another appropriate thread without getting into MDA. Here is for MDA.
When I want to hear from you, I'll create a KO's worst poster thread. K?
And kudos to you adults who stayed on topic and decreased the insults.
Black be the bigger person and discuss your stance. No one will care who was first. Unless you have nothing new, but you and I know it will be rehashed at some point.
Better now than never. Besides we got a whole week of Melo and no bb!
with the way the Knicks treated Ewing, I hope Pat does a Charles Oakley and tells Dwight Howard to stuff it in the Knicks face.
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Step 1. He gives old arguments beaten to death in other threads.
Step 2. I give rational responses, which inevitably are similar to or the same as the old responses because they are responding to the old arguments.
Step 3. Clyde does not read the post, consider the other side of the argument, calls me an idiot and tells me to find people who can explain it to me.
Not worth my time...on the other hand, if he wanted to discuss how he "only presents facts" in the other thread, I am happy to discuss, but he ran from that thread too.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60
Red, I completely agree with you, I think Mike D'Antoni gets way too much of a pass for the consistent lack of defense his teams traditionally display. Having a fast-paced offensive system is no excuse for the lack of defensive intensity the Knicks have demonstrated since he's been the head coach. Other Knicks coaches were lambasted for the same types of consistent mental lapses and lack of defensive intensity, why is D'Antoni given a pass by some? In the third year of his coaching regime I would have hoped to see more improvement in this area. I think offensively the team looks alot better with STAT anchoring the offense he obviously plays a huge role but I'll give D'Antoni credit for that much. But any Knick fan who seriously ever wants to contend for a championship should hope to see much better defense being played than what we've seen so far under this head coach.
You've been asking me the same question for two weeks. So show some intelligence and figure it out for yourself. I'll give you some options.
a) I feel I answered your question
b) I dont have an answer
c) You dont understand the point being made
d) You're an idiot
Choose one. Hell choose 2, 3 or all of the above just move on.
I notice you still haven't presented any dispute on TODAY'S topic. Cat got your tongue?