So if one your kids grew up to be a fine young adult, and had a girlfriend, but he didn't brush his teeth because you never taught him to...she has been with him for a couple of months after two decades of not doing it. Him not brushing his teeth would be her fault, not yours.
I only used Ray as an example b/c I watched him get burned by Bledsoe and Davis at the last game I went to, not to single him out. I do think he is rather good, I think he is better in an uptempo system though, like last year when he played against us, and we tried to run against Ray/G-Wall and Felton was throwing oops all day. He is just not a guy I think that is good in a Larry Brown system, but he is very fast in our system.
And unlike Clyde and the Pearl will have you believe, I got no hate for you if you come in and debate intelligently and logically, and you own up to facts. I just don't think he does, and I'm not alone in that opinion.
And still, no comment about massaging the AR facts? Pathetic.
I'll let you two go at it if you insist on continuing this charade.
In regards to Ray, I agree with you I've always felt he was much better suited for an uptempo style game. He used to run the break a lot in NC that's more his style of game. He had issues getting along with Larry Brown in Charlotte because of all the demands he sets on his PG's, which is nothing new for guys that run the point playing for him, but 1 thing is he definitely benefitted from having coach Brown drill the importance of playing D into his skull. If I recall correctly Chauncey Billups was never a really great defensive player until he got to Detroit & got to play for Larry Brown. I could be wrong on this if I am feel free to correct me.
Plain and simple, @ the NBA level it comes down to the players be willing to give the effort @ the defensive end. All of them know how to stay in front of somebody, or take a charge, or get a steal by the time they get to the league. It's just nonsense to say otherwise. It's also important to understand that by the time these players come to the league they have certain tendencies. Some guys like Nash and STAT can only get so much better on defense.
To me the single most important thing that will determine how much effort our guys are ABLE to give is the length of the rotation. I believe the system tires guys more due to what we do at the offense end. The best way to mitigate the "offensive minded effect" if you will, is to spread minutes around more liberally so guys have the energy to give effort defensively the team needs.
It would also be nice if the second unit in our 10 man rotation were guys that can play D. I want that second unit to be more of defensive unit that can go out and cause turnovers, get stops and give effort.
Coach can implement this type of rotation and tell them to go out and be focused defensively - that's his part- those players he brings into the game need to have the desire and the ability to execute what he is deploying tho or it just won't work.
I am not sure about Chauncey before Brown, I was too young to remember, but Chauncey benefited in Detroit from playing with a GREAT defensive starting lineup, including The Wall Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince. We don't have anyone even LIKE those 3.
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Amar’e Stoudemire: ‘I Was Never Taught Defense’
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From the NY Daily News:
“Stoudemire says defense is more of a priority than at any point in his career as he proved on Wednesday with six blocked shots against the Bobcats.
He’s still not a great one-on-one defender but Stoudemire produced the defensive play of the game by rejecting Stephen Jackson’s potential go-ahead dunk with 35 seconds left after Jackson had driven past Danilo Gallinari on the perimeter.
‘When trying to win ball games, defense is what does it,’ Stoudemire said. ‘Getting stops, getting rebounds … it’s imperative for me to bring that defensive intensity.’
The falling out D’Antoni and Stoudemire had in Phoenix centered on D’Antoni feeling that Stoudemire lacked focus on defense. The irony of course is that D’Antoni has a reputation for not stressing defense (although he’ll gladly debate anyone who says just that.)
Stoudemire doesn’t argue that his reputation as a poor defensive player was well deserved and seemed to suggest that D’Antoni was indirectly responsible.
‘It was fair,’ he said. ‘I was never taught defense. I just never was taught it in high school and also in the NBA.’ Stoudemire added that prior to his final season with the Suns ‘I took it upon myself to get better defensively’ and that Phoenix head coach Alvin Gentry was responsible for that new outlook. ‘I’ve got to give it to Alvin Gentry,’ Stoudemire added. ‘He really implemented some strategies that were helpful to me. I took what I learned last year and carried it over to this year.’”
That is a problem if he was never taught D in the NBA. I have a hard time believing that though. How could he have never been taught to any fundamentals in the NBA?
I think the onus is on him to put in the effort. I mean what does it really take to stay in front of somebody-- effort, willingness. Phoenix has schemes i'm sure he would have had to learn. That is a retarded comment on the part of STAT that I have a hard time believing as fact. Some of it, i think, comes from the disagreements between he and coach when they were together on Phoenix.
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STATVP these guys wont get it. They'll continue to claim they dont understand, or MDA was playing or STAT has to be first team all defense. Anything to circumvent your CORRECT argument.
You've won the war but this battle is lost. They'll never admit to defeat.Even though their general (MDA) sent them out guns empty and with no ammunition. Hell those quotes are akin to him telling the enemy they were coming.