I think your quotes merely say what we all know already. Mike D has a style. Yes it is offensively centered. Could defense be emphasized more? Maybe. Is it emphasized quite a bit already? Absolutely.
Where you and others tend to lose me is w your overvaluing/misevaluating of our young big men, when 1. You don't know what they're doing in practice and coaches like Mike D and our assistants have a MUCH better vantage point. And 2. You've, just like us, seen them perform poorly at the beginning of the year when our coach gave them a chance, resulting in the early season skid. Why continue to go on about coach not wanting to play BAD bigs? He's shown he's willing to play bigs that can execute the offense adequately as has been the case w Turiaf and Moz more recently. Why continue to harp on this when you have evidence to the contrary?
On defense, we run so stats that apply to more conventional teams prolly shouldn't be used to determine whether we're a good or bad defensive team. A more UNconventional stat like points per 100 possessions is more applicable IMO. Try to open your mind a little Clydeandthepearl. Mike D isnt trying to reinvent the wheel, but he is tweaking the Hell out of it. We are not a conventional team.
This is the beginning and good progress from where we were last season (111.6).
We'll make strides as Mike D gets better players, they become more accustomed to his schemes, and he employs a longer rotation IME.
Food for thought-- in the seasons where Mike D took Phoenix to the playoffs his Drating (def per 100 possessions) was pretty good, and I think where we'll ultimately end up.
During the 2007-08 season his Suns had a drating of 108.1, good for 16th in the league; 06-07 - 106.4, good for 13th in the league; 05-06 - 105.8, good for 16th in the league; 04-05 - 107.1, good for 17th in the league. So it's safe to say based on evidence that w his unconventional high scoring system his teams were in the middle of the pack according to the most useful and accurate defensive stat. That would mean there's an emphasis on defense. Don't believe Orating and Drating are the best ways to judge teams offensively and defensively?? Then ya'll need to wake up..
Points per Possession Rating
Points divided by possessions times 100. Also called simply "Rating", "Offensive Rating" for points scored per 100 possessions, or "Defensive Rating" for points allowed per 100 possessions. A related term is Adjusted Points per Game
This method applies in a straightforward manner to teams. It can also be applied to individuals, but the method is more complex.
Points per possession is the best way available to measure the quality of offenses and defenses. The method takes into account points scored, field goal percentage, turnovers, offensive rebounds, and free throw percentage - everything (except for assists and, maybe, fouls) that can justifiably be looked at in measuring offensive or defensive quality. Possessions, as they were defined previously, make such a complete measurement possible. Repeating what is so important: When a team has the ball, its whole purpose is to score as many points as possible before it becomes the defense. If it were easily accomplished, teams would try to get fouled every time, miss the last free throw, get the offensive rebound, try to get fouled, miss the last free throw, etc., never having to play defense. Score lots of points in a possession and you are not giving the opposition a chance to catch up. The most common way to do that now is to score two points every time down the court. Points per possession shows which offenses do it best and which defenses stop it best.
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The very fact that:
1. This thread exists
2. You (in general) keep making claims about D'Antoni's defense being poor and using obviously tongue-in-cheek comments to make your claim
3. You criticize us for not playing good interior defense when literally the 2 centers on our team are an undersized Ronny Turiaf and an undrafted rookie Free Agent Center from Europe who had to learn the American game
4. You ignore that D'Antoni has us where our talent/experience dictates we should be
5. You are begging for Anthony Randolph, so much so that you will massage the facts to show he never played (no response to that Clyde)
6. You refuse to watch videos of D'Antoni coaching defense because you "don't care about" learning all the facts about the coach, you know what you know even with your lack of total knowledge.
All indicators that you think coaching is more important than the players.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60
As has been rehashed over and over on this board, we are in Phase 2 of a long term rebuilding process, the process has just begun to occur. We spent two years (!) trying to get under the cap to make a play for free agents and attain cap flexibility. Now, we are 40-something games into the first season where we are (1) trying to win games, and (2) have even one star player, with a rookie center, a rookie SG, and a bunch of guys all learning right now how to play with one another...
This whole thread of D'Antoni hate just shows they hate the guy, they want to blame the coach for being a SIX seed (because it is easier to blame the coach than look at the entire roster as, right now, pretty deficient), and that they really think coaching is more important than the players.
If they really didn't think coaching was more important than the players the argument: "If we had Coach X we would be so much better" would not apply.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60
No one here is trying to evade points (except for you, see: your 60%/80% "facts" about confidence, your avoidance of you massaging the facts re: Anthony Randolph), my theory about there being two different types of people on this board EXPLAINS the dichotomy.
There are people here who are simply more likely to blame a coach when a team struggles, and people here who are simply more likely to blame players. You are the former, I am the latter. These diamterically opposed personality traits dictate our ideas and opinions, creating ideas and opinions that are (quite obviously) different from one another. Those traits INFORM every opinion on here, on way or another and is the root cause of our differences.
Originally Posted by Knicksin60