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    Originally Posted by Toons
    ur such a bitch....he banished these two players? ur hormones are out of wack.....havent seen ur period in a few months huh?

    mike d implemented plays for melo from denver, and adjusted the entire offense in one night....give the guy some slack
    Yawn. Another tough guy behind a keyboard getting all worked up over the slightest, and most trivial, of meaningless things. Your feminine references are really original... Bet you've been saving those zingers, huh?

    Basic reading comprehension people!

    When I write: "But I wont accept a tight 8-man rotation that banishes these 2 players." I was talking about the next 27 games moving fwd (and the post season), while you're assuming I was talking about their DNP-CD last night.

    Any 11 yr-old should have that figured out.

    Ergo, again... IF Williams and Brewer remain on this team, and we do not add anything to the current roster, than those aforementioned players should be given the chance to contribute and not be banished... and the rotation should be more than last night's starting-5 + Douglas, Shawne & Walker.

    AND... again... If you want to insult people at least offer some insight, like the poster who hinted that these 2 guys might be on the trade block.

    Don't be Mr. Obvious. Of course these guys just arrived. This had nothing to do with that. MD prefers small lineups and he favors 8 to 9 man rotation. This is a fact.

    So stop trying to pull my hair and be a man. Grow a thicker skin and get out more.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    I have been on the forum for 2 years and a ticket holder for 16 ...so yes I feel your pain.....the difference now is we have 4 starters that I want on the court 80 percent of the time at least......there is no more who should start and who should sit......
    so I do not totally agree about the bigger rotation....i did pre-carmelo but not now...
    I do think if we land a solid bigman who could start out bench rotation could make more sense.....

    New center
    and
    turiaf
    williams
    douglas
    plus one more off the bench...but who

    If we get a new C then I am totally fine with benching Williams and Brewer. No doubt. But we do know rebounding and defense will be issues, and in the playoffs against CHI & BOS we're going to need just that.

    Make the newbies feel welcome. Like in baseball when you call up a kid from the minors... get him in a game and let him get his feet wet, or else rust starts to accumulate.

    We know Douglas is banged up and inconsistent. Walker and Williams sort of offer the same thing... I think Williams is a definiete need, b/c Turiaf gets injured a lot. So, if we dont get a center and Turiaf is hurt, suddenly we need Shelden.

    PLUS, does Fields really need to play 43 minutes?

    That's all.


    Same issue might arise even if we trade for a big man. He probably wont play. Carmelo, Stoudemire and Billups will (and should) be on the court for 35+ minutes. It's the pieces we run in and out around them that will change.

    My complaint with MD's 8 or 9 man roation is this: He prefers shooters over size. Douglas plays solid defense. With Williams we probably don't need Brewer. It's just the size thing to me. Not that Williams is Ewing. It's just what happens when Turiaf is out?

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    If we get a new C then I am totally fine with benching Williams and Brewer. No doubt. But we do know rebounding and defense will be issues, and in the playoffs against CHI & BOS we're going to need just that.

    Make the newbies feel welcome. Like in baseball when you call up a kid from the minors... get him in a game and let him get his feet wet, or else rust starts to accumulate.

    We know Douglas is banged up and inconsistent. Walker and Williams sort of offer the same thing... I think Williams is a definiete need, b/c Turiaf gets injured a lot. So, if we dont get a center and Turiaf is hurt, suddenly we need Shelden.

    PLUS, does Fields really need to play 43 minutes?

    That's all.


    Same issue might arise even if we trade for a big man. He probably wont play. Carmelo, Stoudemire and Billups will (and should) be on the court for 35+ minutes. It's the pieces we run in and out around them that will change.

    Fields played 43 minutes in my view because he has been a starter from day 1.....this new team is a bit overwhelming or the guy..he is playing with 3 hall of famers...he looked nervous and a bit awkward at times...not all year did he seem this way...He needs to work that out and minutes will do that....with Billups showing him the way....he will be very instrumental in our success....

    I say sign foster for rebounds

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    Foster would be perfect. Camby and Jeffries are other names. Jeffries is obviously a target (and his defens eon Rondo might come in handy). I would put my list in this order:

    Camby
    Dalembert
    Pryz
    Jeffries
    Foster
    Barron

    I'm sure we'll get one of these guys.

    They also talked about Jerome Jordan being a guy they will coach up like they did with Mozgov.

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    Dude is asking if I'm ever happy, in his 2nd post? As if you've been here before the Knicks traded for Carmelo?

    Good point about them being possible trade assets. Hear that.

    I wasn't complaining at all... Just stating the obvious, and for those who have actually watched the Knicks the last 2.5 years since MD arrived... He only plays 8 or 9 man rotations. Just pointing out a fact, but if that is never being happy... then yeah, I guess I'm not content.
    Most coaches implement a 8-9 man rotation unless they are blosing out a team or getting blown out... Injury will dictate who's played but for the most part it is very common that teams play a short rotation.
    Before you give me Boston, if we had the players Boston has we would have a longer rotation but the reality is; when STAT comes out and now Melo; we have no players that can take control and keep scoring for a time so that these guys can rest. Douglas might become that guy if he can stay healthy but that's it. Walker??? Not consistent enough to be leaned on.
    I am sure Brewer will get a chance to show what he's got but not until this team has more games under their belt. Remember, we are in a play-off run and during this transition time we still need to win so STAT, MELO, Fields and Billups will be HEAVILY leaned on until there is more familiarity, coherency and consistency with these guys.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    Most coaches implement a 8-9 man rotation unless they are blosing out a team or getting blown out... Injury will dictate who's played but for the most part it is very common that teams play a short rotation.
    Before you give me Boston, if we had the players Boston has we would have a longer rotation but the reality is; when STAT comes out and now Melo; we have no players that can take control and keep scoring for a time so that these guys can rest. Douglas might become that guy if he can stay healthy but that's it. Walker??? Not consistent enough to be leaned on.
    I am sure Brewer will get a chance to show what he's got but not until this team has more games under their belt. Remember, we are in a play-off run and during this transition time we still need to win so STAT, MELO, Fields and Billups will be HEAVILY leaned on until there is more familiarity, coherency and consistency with these guys.
    That's true. We need these guys to develop chemistry on the fly, and now only have 27 games to do so before the playoff run. PLUS, game was in question so we couldn't afford to expand the rotation.

    I just think Brewer is the better defensive player (compared to Walker and probably Williams). And Shelden our 2nd best defensive BIG. Brewer and Williams/Turiaf could surround the BIG-3 when we need stops. Walker-Williams when we want 3-point shooting.

    BUT... we'll know more soon... Trade deadline might bring more... Should at least sign somebody after that after we see who gets cut.

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    Originally Posted by mafra
    That's true. We need these guys to develop chemistry on the fly, and now only have 27 games to do so before the playoff run. PLUS, game was in question so we couldn't afford to expand the rotation.

    I just think Brewer is the better defensive player (compared to Walker and probably Williams). And Shelden our 2nd best defensive BIG. Brewer and Williams/Turiaf could surround the BIG-3 when we need stops. Walker-Williams when we want 3-point shooting.

    BUT... we'll know more soon... Trade deadline might bring more... Should at least sign somebody after that after we see who gets cut.
    Sheldan is an intersting player... He's undersized but a HUGE body! The issue with Sheldon is that he can't score and he's not built for the run and gun system. THe Knicks will need another Big body because Turiaf can't play huge minutes and we have nothing else.....That is the glaring need right now

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    Heres what I propose and I think this will still keep Mike D happy.

    Release Balkman, Mason, and Carter

    Sign Murphy and Barron

    Murphy is an offensive minded center, but he can still grab rebounds and is a legit 7 footer. Earl Barron is a nice option to have too.

    Heres your lineup:

    C-Murphy
    PF- STAT
    SF- Melo
    SG- Fields
    PG- Billups

    Bench:
    Douglas
    Brewer
    Shawne Williams
    Turiaf
    Barron
    Bill Walker
    Azubuike (when healthy)

    Inactives:
    Shelden
    Rautins

    If TJ Ford becomes available then just release Shelden or Azu and sign him and your pretty set for the most part. I think Murphy would prosper in Dantoni's system. Id rather a legit big grinder down low, but with Sammy D not on the block who else is there? Its pretty much Troy Murphy or Bust.

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