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    Well I think first and foremost we have to release Anthony Carter and Mason. Both are completely useless. Then ideally I would love for Balkman to somehow get off the team, Azu's contract, and maybe Billy Walker for Samuel Dalembert or Chris Kaman or even Marcus Camby/Przybilia.

    C- Camby
    PF- STAT
    SF- Melo
    SG- Fields
    PG- Billups

    6th Man: Brewer
    Turiaf
    Shawne Williams
    Shelden Williams
    Douglas
    Barron
    Rautins

    Id go to war with this group

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    Originally Posted by 1970KnicksLove
    Melo has only gotten past the 1st round twice in his career.
    Melo has made the playoffs every year in the league including 2 WC finals without a second superstar. (no, an over the hill AI does not count)

    He is no Michael Jordan or Kareem.
    Melo is 26 and scores 25 and boards 8 per game ion his sleep. To even compare him to MJ or Kareem and draw a definitive conclusion is a joke. That said, no one is stating he is of that caliber but he is just a slight notch below and has the potential to attain that status if he can win some chips in NYC.

    We still need a big man or several like the Celtics have.
    Correct...STILL need as in we were already getting dominated on the boards and in the paint therefore this is a constant and irrelevant to this trade. If anything Melo is a big upgrade with regards to rebounding over Gallo.

    Our depth just became pathetic and Isiah is the true GM.
    Meh. D'ant runs a tight rotation and if anything Shaun Williams and Walker can step up and get more minutes now. Further, I doubt we are done and at least we will sign a back up center. BTW, Sheldon Williams and Corey Brewer can easily crack the rotation and provide some adequate depth.

    This is not good for the future of the Knicks
    Loosing a bunch of role players to get a 26 year old mega star is great for our future. We can fill needs over the next few years to round out our roster and that is always easier than securing a talent like Melo. A core of Amare and Melo is very attractive to vets looking to get a chip and you will see them flock to NYC for a chance at glory. (I predict Artest will end his career as our stopper off the bench on a very cheap contract in a few short years) Add in the fact that every contract other than Melo and Amare is a short term deal and we have flexibility moving forward.


    Simply put, you are wrong!

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    I think if they get rolling, we can get to the ECF's against (probably) Boston. I don't think we win that series this year, but it would be amazing!

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    Originally Posted by BreenForPrez
    Chandler was gone after this season anyway so the immediate future would be

    Felton
    Fields
    Melo
    Amare
    Moz

    With Gallo coming off the bench

    Now we have

    Billups
    Fields
    Melo
    Amare
    Turiaf/Barron (Barron who did average 11 and 11 last season in 7 games)

    With Brewer and Shawne Williams (Better 3 point shooter than gallo) off the bench



    Now PLEASE tell me how this is not good for the future?


    Im SICK of people saying this isnt good for the future and either not backing it up or overrating the pieces that were never praised two weeks ago. This is just people trying to dump on this trade. Get over it, we are way better today, tomorrow and in 2 years
    +1 Agree 100%

    There is NO WAY this trade is bad for the future. Some are probably just over rating the guys we lost, not to mention under rating the acquisition of a 2nd superstar in Melo.

    We would never of won a championship with just one star, it never has happened or will happen. We needed Melo, and just wait till this time next year to see who will follow STAT and Melo, then we can talk future...

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    My expectation is that this NY Knicks team will be a tough out in this years playoffs, possibly winning a series depending on the matchup.

    Gotta remember, it takes time to gell together as a team plus this deal we made was to benifit us for years to come, not just this year. We still need to round out our roster, which will come in time I have no doubt.

    Im telling you, for the Knicks to compete for the next 4-6 years this deal NEEDED TO HAPPEN. You are not going to beat the Heat, Lakers or even aging Celtics in the playoffs with only one superstar. Now that we have both Melo and STAT, just wait and see by this time next year where this team will be at and who they have acquired to round out this team.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    are you crazy?we desperately needed a back up pg,we should release roger mason.
    Yeah, but Anthony Carter is terrible. It's not like he was backing up Billups when they were on Denver. Thas why they drafted Lawson. TD is definitely better than Carter. Hell I'd rather see Rautins them him.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Yeah, but Anthony Carter is terrible. It's not like he was backing up Billups when they were on Denver. Thas why they drafted Lawson. TD is definitely better than Carter. Hell I'd rather see Rautins them him.
    Ya, Carter is a 3rd stringer. God willing we powermove the draft and secure Kemba (or ideally Jimmers). Move Douglas back to being more of a backup to Fields.

    Billups-Jimmers
    Fields-Douglas
    Melo-Williams
    STAT-Turiaf
    Jordan-Jordan

    Would be the dream, I guess. Idk how we actually get Jordan 1, but possible...

    I also dunno how we ever get the 3rd star to fulfill the three star blueprint we just sealed our destiny too.

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    TO TR1LL10N Melo has made the playoffs every year in the league including 2 WC finals without a second superstar. (no, an over the hill AI does not count)

    From ESPN: Anthony led the Nuggets to the playoffs in each of his first seven seasons in Denver after winning a national title at Syracuse as a freshman and had them positioned for another playoff run this year. But Denver advanced out of the first round just once during that time.

    The Nuggets have NOT gone to the WC finals twice. WRONG.


    Melo is 26 and scores 25 and boards 8 per game ion his sleep. To even compare him to MJ or Kareem and draw a definitive conclusion is a joke. That said, no one is stating he is of that caliber but he is just a slight notch below and has the potential to attain that status if he can win some chips in NYC.

    The point is that giving up 4 starters and all those draft picks is only worthy of a Kareem or a Jordan. If Walsh were actually running the show they wouldn't have to give up that much. Mike Lupica also agreed.
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    Correct...STILL need as in we were already getting dominated on the boards and in the paint therefore this is a constant and irrelevant to this trade. If anything Melo is a big upgrade with regards to rebounding over Gallo.



    Meh. D'ant runs a tight rotation and if anything Shaun Williams and Walker can step up and get more minutes now. Further, I doubt we are done and at least we will sign a back up center. BTW, Sheldon Williams and Corey Brewer can easily crack the rotation and provide some adequate depth.

    Isiah is in the asylum now and running the show. This is not good at all.I hope we are not done we need a lot more help.



    Loosing a bunch of role players to get a 26 year old mega star is great for our future. We can fill needs over the next few years to round out our roster and that is always easier than securing a talent like Melo. A core of Amare and Melo is very attractive to vets looking to get a chip and you will see them flock to NYC for a chance at glory. (I predict Artest will end his career as our stopper off the bench on a very cheap contract in a few short years) Add in the fact that every contract other than Melo and Amare is a short term deal and we have flexibility moving forward.


    Simply put, you are wrong!

    NO I am not wrong. Just my opinion. I have been a KNicks fan since 1967 which was probably before you even born. Lupica agrees with my opinion so I will leave it at that.
    Last edited by 1970KnicksLove; Feb 22, 2011 at 12:14.

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    Great post. I go back as far as you and agree this is the end for the Knicks. Walsh had this team poised to make the jump and knows what it takes to build a championship team. He is now gone. Isiah and Dolan are back which is THE END. Melo and STAT will produce some wins but a title, NEVER. Sad sad sad day. Good bye my beloved Knicks. I'll see you in a decade when Dolan sells the team.



    Originally Posted by 1970KnicksLove
    TO TR1LL10N Melo has made the playoffs every year in the league including 2 WC finals without a second superstar. (no, an over the hill AI does not count)

    From ESPN: Anthony led the Nuggets to the playoffs in each of his first seven seasons in Denver after winning a national title at Syracuse as a freshman and had them positioned for another playoff run this year. But Denver advanced out of the first round just once during that time.

    The Nuggets have NOT gone to the WC finals twice. WRONG.


    Melo is 26 and scores 25 and boards 8 per game ion his sleep. To even compare him to MJ or Kareem and draw a definitive conclusion is a joke. That said, no one is stating he is of that caliber but he is just a slight notch below and has the potential to attain that status if he can win some chips in NYC.

    The point is that giving up 4 starters and all those draft picks is only worthy of a Kareem or a Jordan. If Walsh were actually running the show they wouldn't have to give up that much. Mike Lupica also agreed.
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    Correct...STILL need as in we were already getting dominated on the boards and in the paint therefore this is a constant and irrelevant to this trade. If anything Melo is a big upgrade with regards to rebounding over Gallo.



    Meh. D'ant runs a tight rotation and if anything Shaun Williams and Walker can step up and get more minutes now. Further, I doubt we are done and at least we will sign a back up center. BTW, Sheldon Williams and Corey Brewer can easily crack the rotation and provide some adequate depth.

    Isiah is in the asylum now and running the show. This is not good at all.I hope we are not done we need a lot more help.



    Loosing a bunch of role players to get a 26 year old mega star is great for our future. We can fill needs over the next few years to round out our roster and that is always easier than securing a talent like Melo. A core of Amare and Melo is very attractive to vets looking to get a chip and you will see them flock to NYC for a chance at glory. (I predict Artest will end his career as our stopper off the bench on a very cheap contract in a few short years) Add in the fact that every contract other than Melo and Amare is a short term deal and we have flexibility moving forward.


    Simply put, you are wrong!

    NO I am not wrong. Just my opinion. I have been a KNicks fan since 1967 which was probably before you even born. Lupica agrees with my opinion so I will leave it at that.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    Just ignore him guys,he doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Actually, he's not that far off! James carried many a horrible Cleveland squad into the playoffs on his back and to the finals... Melo has not. Amare, Billups and Melo does not trump James, Wade and Bosh nor do they trump Pierce, Garnett, Rondo and Allen.
    We will need size up front to support Amare! Amare does not play D and neither does MELO!!!! So, that being said we have a foundation to build on but we still need more pieces if we are going to beat Boston and stay competitive with Miami and the west over the next 5 years! We should be a competitive team; thank GOD we kept fields, and we should be fun to watch but we still have a few more moves to make to solidify this team as a bonafide contender for the championship.
    We need to sign DWIGHT HOWARD or DERON WILLIAMS; preferably Dwight. But if he ends up in LA; then Deron!

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    Originally Posted by Papajoe
    Great post. I go back as far as you and agree this is the end for the Knicks. Walsh had this team poised to make the jump and knows what it takes to build a championship team. He is now gone. Isiah and Dolan are back which is THE END. Melo and STAT will produce some wins but a title, NEVER. Sad sad sad day. Good bye my beloved Knicks. I'll see you in a decade when Dolan sells the team.
    Were you around when the Knicks won their titles?
    Dolan is a complete idiot!
    I wish he would sell the team now.
    I wanted the Knicks to get Melo but not at that cost.

    Walsh would have gotten him for a lot less.

    Walsh will be kicked to the curb or he will leave on his own with dignity and maybe go back to Indiana.

    Isiah is now running the Knicks again and this is not good at all.

    Leeches only suck blood out of their victims but don't contribute at all.

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    I'm going to honestly say we will win about 46 games. right now we are on pace for about what... 42 wins? I say 46 wins and that should slide us into like the 5th seed. last year 46 wins is the 6 seed, but Cleveland is worse and Milwaukee is worse too.

    now this would put us up against the Bulls or Hawks. Melo would be guarding Deng or who, Josh Smith? I think Melo would shine in the Bulls series and Amare would shine against the Hawks.

    We are looking at two similar teams to us in the Bulls and Hawks..

    Rose, Boozer, Deng
    Melo, Amare, Billups

    Johnson, Smith
    Melo, Amare

    BUT in the playoffs the bench is very important and we don't play our bench because it is horrible. and it just got worse..

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    Actually, he's not that far off! James carried many a horrible Cleveland squad into the playoffs on his back and to the finals... Melo has not. Amare, Billups and Melo does not trump James, Wade and Bosh nor do they trump Pierce, Garnett, Rondo and Allen.
    We will need size up front to support Amare! Amare does not play D and neither does MELO!!!! So, that being said we have a foundation to build on but we still need more pieces if we are going to beat Boston and stay competitive with Miami and the west over the next 5 years! We should be a competitive team; thank GOD we kept fields, and we should be fun to watch but we still have a few more moves to make to solidify this team as a bonafide contender for the championship.
    We need to sign DWIGHT HOWARD or DERON WILLIAMS; preferably Dwight. But if he ends up in LA; then Deron!
    The Celtics and Lakers are way deeper than the Knicks. The Knicks need a lot of help especially down low. Howard has said that he wants to go to the Lakers. I like Deron more than Chris Paul.

    I also hope that we can find a better coach than D'Antoni.
    I believe that no team that led the league in scoring with poor defense has won the title.

    DeAndre Jordan would be a good addition.

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    i say second round. this year and next year i expect nothing short of a top 4 seed in the east and a trip to the ECF

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    Do you know how to use the quote functions? Obviously not...

    he Nuggets have NOT gone to the WC finals twice. WRONG.
    Wow, so I was wrong, I thought he made it twice, not once big deal.

    The point is that giving up 4 starters and all those draft picks is only worthy of a Kareem or a Jordan. If Walsh were actually running the show they wouldn't have to give up that much.
    What a blatantly made up assertion. We gave up 4 starters on a .500 team and got 2 starters in return. One of those starters (chandler) was gone at the end of the year. Just stop. Further, claiming Walsh would have gotten a better deal is you once again talking out of your ass. I already proved that Melo would have signed the extension with the Nets or stayed in Denver if the Knicks offer fell through. Therefore we needed to beat the Nets offer or Denver would have sent him to NJ.

    Again:

    Anthony had told Dolan he wanted that $65 million contract extension, and had no plans on waiting for free agency and the massive pay cut the new collective bargaining agreement would bring. That's why Denver kept pushing for more and more in this deal, and why the Knicks had to keep giving more and more.

    As much as the Brooklyn-born forward burned to play for the hometown team, he wasn't about to risk his $65 million payday to do it. Anthony wanted his money, even if he had to take it from the Nuggets or the New Jersey Nets.

    "The Knicks knew if they didn't get Carmelo at the trade deadline," said one source close to the negotiations, "they were never going to get him."

    This wasn't the case with LeBron James, because James never said he wanted to play in New York. Anthony told everyone he wanted to spend the balance of his prime in the Garden. If the Knicks didn't make it happen, they would've lost whatever respect they had left around the league.
    Isiah is in the asylum now and running the show. This is not good at all.I hope we are not done we need a lot more help.
    Isaih may or may not have influenced this deal but his "running the show" is not a result of the trade even if the trade was a result of him "running the show". Attacking the trade because of Isiah instead of focusing on the merits of what we got verse gave up is why you fail. (well one of the many reasons)

    NO I am not wrong. Just my opinion. I have been a KNicks fan since 1967 which was probably before you even born. Lupica agrees with my opinion so I will leave it at that
    Lupica is a human being and is entitled to his opinion and so are you. That said, his opinion is just one opinion out in the ether. Being a fan since 67 doesn't mean anything about your knowledge or ability to look at this trade in it's proper context. My evidence for that would be each post you have made...


    here is an opinion of you by another poster that I agree with. Does that make it fact like you suggest?

    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    Just ignore him guys,he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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