Pshh... being reasonable will get you nowhere Trill
Players deserve the credit for every good thing.
Dantoni deserves to be mocked and blamed for every bad thing.
It's that simple right?
If you haven't noticed...
The stars run this ship now. MDA is a figurehead. These vets have taken it upon themselves to implement what they're comfortable with, o both sides.
Just sit back Mike, we got this. And just in case, for all those who want MDA to take credit for an improvement defensively, don't even try it. He could've proven his defensive accumen when he had rookies and newbies that needed coaching. He failed.
Now the students will have to show the teacher.
Pshh... being reasonable will get you nowhere Trill
Players deserve the credit for every good thing.
Dantoni deserves to be mocked and blamed for every bad thing.
It's that simple right?
You probably have a point there. I've never heard defense talked as much as we do now. Melo, STAT and Billups have been talking defense more in the past week than we've heard in three years with MDA. Heck, last week someone asked him about his defense against Cleveland and he reverted back to his offensive philosophy.
But. Red if this cat is open to change, truly open you gotta give him some props. If he realizes that playing defense isnt just a passing fancy, with the offense he runs we'll be a VERY HARD OUT come the playoffs.
So you spent the last 3 years blaming D'ant for our lack of defense while I and others said it had more to do with the roster then coach. You adamantly disagreed furthering your emotional outbursts that D'ant can't and doesn't teach defense. I and others provided quotes, videos and articles that clearly show what is so obvious...that an NBA coach with a winning record and COY award understands and does coach defense but you chose to ignore each bit of proof every step of the way. Now that we have NEW PLAYERS and played great defense you take the exact polar opposite opinion and CREDIT the PLAYERS for defense! So which is it guy? Has it been the players all along failing at defense or not? Can't have it both ways.
P.S.
^^Could that be a reason for the improved defense in addition to players committed to defending?
So you spent the last 3 years blaming D'ant for our lack of defense while I and others said it had more to do with the roster then coach. You adamantly disagreed furthering your emotional outbursts that D'ant can't and doesn't teach defense. I and others provided quotes, videos and articles that clearly show what is so obvious...that an NBA coach with a winning record and COY award understands and does coach defense but you chose to ignore each bit of proof every step of the way. Now that we have NEW PLAYERS and played great defense you take the exact polar opposite opinion and CREDIT the PLAYERS for defense! So which is it guy? Has it been the players all along failing at defense or not? Can't have it both ways.
P.S.
^^Could that be a reason for the improved defense in addition to players committed to defending?
I have to give props to everyone including MDA for a win or loss, because its a team effort. That said, I agree I hold out hope that MDA can adapt, but what I didn't really expect was that these new vets came to play regardless of MDA 's system. That's a blessing and underscores his value or lack there of. A coach is most valuable to teaching (not preaching) young players. Vets don't need that. They've been coached up already. So it works out. Mda system is his system, how its viewed and implemented is now up t our big three.
Listen, you're a schmuck. If you can't understand that every coach has defensive system as does MDA, f*ck you, go read a book. His system on defense is remedial at best, and everyone knows this.
But with stars who actually have bb iq something everyone clammored that Gallo had, they limit mistakes on both ends, and limit the ancillary limatating affects of ssol.
But the fact remains MDA has a lot to be desired, and hopefully this is his lesson.
Don't sell me your garbage. I know basketball, and an argumentative broad when I see it.
You f*cking spin doctor, trying to give MDA credit after two maxs arrived. N*gga please. Save that sh*t.
F*cking pathetic and predictable. Gtfoh you pee-on.
Like my eyes and bb iq were lying after we saw years and years of ineptitude. Reminds me of your posts.
Most of defense is just effort...and being willing to do it
I agree with Red in that the defensive tenacity since the trade seems to be from a more renewed effort from the players than D'Antoni.
Billups said after the game last night (I'm paraphrasing): "We know we can win games by scoring 108 pts, but to win games with 91 pts... we need to learn how to do that.
That was a clear statement by me that Billups is not going to buy into D'Antoni's offensive philosophy -- too old and too set in his ways. Chauncey may be the best thing to happen to NY in a LONG time.
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1st of all.. wow.. this was one game
2nd.... The entire league know O'antoni doesnt preach defense as much as he should...show me one person is basketball that can tell us thet mike does a good job teachin defense.. just one person..
?I think that Mike?s a realist,?? Jeffries said. ?Defending, like anything else in the NBA, is a talent level. And you can?t have people that are not great defenders and expect them to be great defenders. Just like you can?t have people that aren?t great scorers and expect them to be great scorers. He put me out there to be a defender and he puts guys out there to be scorers. He does focus on defense, but if you don?t have defensive players, then you?re not going to be a great defensive team.??
He added, ?It?s not like he tells the guys, ?Don?t go out there and guard anybody, just try to score.? That?s not the case at all.??
3rd...the player brought it.. billups is the real leader...greatdefensive coaches can do it without the player by implementing a system that fits the player
4th...mike cant make good adjustments on the defensive end
5th.. dont you think that because everybody talkin about our coach's lack of a defensive strategy.. is the only reason why he is bringing it up so much now.. what happen to the D in the past??
First of all..wow, I was not drawing any grand conclusions but rather responding to one. My point was about Red's blatant hypocrisy and logical inconsistency. Simmer down and learn the meaning of context.
Okay:
What happened to it being one game? BTW, did we not play good defense in several games this year including the last game against the Hawks?
Really? Didn't he ADJUST his rotation to include Carter and Balkman for defensive purposes?
I think he wants to win and will ADJUST where he sees fit. He knows that our offense will be fine with Melo, Amare and Billiups anchoring it so that affords him the luxury to concentrate MORE on the defensive end.
so you agree its only recently that he is now focusing on defense more
id expect JJ to take his back....amare.. who doesnt need anthong form O'antoni.. called him out for not teaching defense.. who do you believe????
but a good coach would get something out of his players on d.. see Tom tibs...bozer got better.. rose got better...etc
see doc rivers.. pirece got better.. ray allen got better...etc
when mike took over..we had better defensive players than we have now.. he wanted scores..so thats what we got...
Christ -
So it was the PLAYERS. Which is what everyone has said all along. The coaching is always always always overvalued in comparison to players, which is what I, Trillion and others have been saying for the past 3 years on this board.
Surprise - when a PLAYER comes in with defensive tenacity, skills and mindset, we play better defense because ULTIMATELY the players on the floor play the D.
1. You asked for one, I provided one and you deflect. Funny how that works!:thumbsup:
2. Jeffries stated that comment last year not now in the hopes of making a return.
3. Amare made his comment in the guise of being attacked for his defense. Do you actually believe he was not taught ANY defense as he stated? He also happily reunited with D'antoni after making those comments and admitted that he grew up. BTW, why didn't the Suns play good defense with Porter or Gentry?
4. Dude, Rose and Boozer are good defenders so yes Thib is maximizing their skill sets. I do not count the first two years D'ant was coach as we had major trades and were in a cap shedding mode where salary was more important then talent. Going off this year, our teams two best defenders, Turiaf and Azubukie were injured. D'ant plays Turiaf for the sole purpose of defense when ever he is healthy. Further, now we have Billiups who is a good defender leading by example. It's really common sense, the Knicks have such firepower that concentrating on defense post trade is obvious especially with the addition of DEFENDERS.
5. Size cannot be overcome with coaching therefore our struggles in rebounding magnified our weak defense because it gave the opponents more shot attempts. This trade actually made our roster better at rebounding even though we lost height. Melo is an upgrade over Gallo in rebounding. Billiups is a a 6'3" PG who rebounds and defends better than Felton. Turiaf is now starting or getting more minutes and is a better rebounder than Moz.
So in conclusion, as I have stated since day one, defense has more to do with personnel then coaching and Billiups and Jeferies agree. Further, the improvements in our roster with regards to rebounding should limit the oppositions shot attempts making our defense even more effective post trade.
boozer is one if the worst defensive PF in the league.....
its funny you could only find one......99% of the leauge agree with me...
JJ agrees with you..SMH
boozer is one if the worst defensive PF in the league.....
its funny you could only find one......99% of the leauge agree with me...
JJ agrees with you..SMH
Don't really care about the Cavs loss, it was just one game but really I watched that Denver game and it looked like our guys were trying to play some D, I really think Pringles has to go I know it's a topic thats kind of taboo but if our guys want to get better on D then Dantoni has got to go