RunningJumper
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The Warriors are MUCH better than the previous two years in which David Lee was there. It's very reasonable to believe David Lee is having an impact. Monta Ellis isn't even there anymore.So you would rather have someone who's stats don't determine wins and losses as opposed to an individual who can have a major impact on wins and losses. Maybe in golden state thats acceptable but not with a contending team. Kevin loss not affecting wins and losses with his game imo is the definition of empty stats. You should get better when your star returns not stay the same. That has nothing to do with what i believe his limitations are as a player, in which i don't think there aren't many. Rondo is not an empty stat player, when he doesn't play the celtics are putrid on both sides of the ball. Impact players vs consistency is i guess the discussion here. When has a contending team ever traded away the impact player for the more consistent but just blends in the game-we cant go to you in crunch time because u can't dominate player. 2 trades that pop up immediately are the sixers swapping theo ratliff for deke and the celtics swapping al jefferson for kg. Al Jefferson was a monster but he isn't kg as far as determining wins and losses with his contributions on the court. I guess david lee at 3rd or 4th option is good for him to just blend in and not try to do to much like stat does alot. But he is clearly our second best player and our second best player should be better then the warriors 3rd best player because we are deeper and better then them correct?
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On this Knicks team I'd have more faith in David Lee as a player. Stoudemire has to prove he can be that BIG impact player he once was. I haven't denied his impact when he was on. It's been about two years since we saw that Stoudemire consistently.
I understand you're meaning of empty stats player, impact player, we both agree on the meaning of it. I just don't understand why you feel that way about David Lee, especially with the big turn around the team has gone, and actually, Curry got injured last season after they started well.
I don't base players off of stats, but I've read that the Celtics defense is better without him, at least in previous seasons. The Celtics aren't even in the top 8 in the East. He's not the incredible player people say he is to me. Obviously it's a team game and KG and Pierce aren't what they used to be, and I haven't watched Rondo much this season, but Rondo never impressed me enough to be an All-Star in my eyes, let alone superstar. He'd had some big games, but not enough to me.