Official Draft Thread 2010 LIVE

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE ROSTER come Sept to judge. Heck, what if we sign Bosh or Amare, and LJ? Keep Curry or deal Eddy for Okefor. Would we really need Jarvis Varnado then?

BUT, if Walsh gets nothing and swings and misses come free agency.... COMPLETE DISASTER.

However, only a fool would make the Jeffries deal unless he felt (heard) he had a better than 50/50 chance to land LJ. Say, for example, someone saying LJ will come to NYC ONLY if you can bring Bosh as well? Who knows. Find out next week.

If we got Okafor, Bosh, and LeBron James, we would STILL need a center because Okafor is decent but we have NO depth at the Center position off the bench (unless you're in the minority that thinks Earl Barron's decent 7 games means he's all of a sudden a solid bench contributor).

If we got Okafor, Bosh, and LeBron, we'd STILL need a point guard, and we STILL don't have one. Jarvis Varnado would help because like it or not Bosh isn't great on defense and he could've come in as a defensive stopper.

If we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh we're STILL stuck with the fact that we have five small forwards (LeBron, Gallo, Chandler, Walker, Fields) and no interior defense whatsoever (Varnado, Alabi, etc. would've helped that) and NO depth at the guard position (Chandler can play SG but he's not that good, Rautins looks like a catch and shoot player off the bench at best, and Walker is decent but injury prone and not really starting material. Even if Walker and Chandler handle the role fine we still need a point guard which we don't have)
 

flknickfan

Benchwarmer
Here's another thing

Rautins is 23. He will be 24 years old by the time the 2010 NBA season is a month in.

Why the **** are we drafting a 24 year old? Are we high?

Donnie, if you like Landry Fields so much, SIGN HIM AFTER THE DRAFT BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WAS DRAFTING HIM

Dude... Patrick Ewing was 23 when we drafted him = senior
 

LeFlume

All Star
Rautins is experienced. Play for the Canadian national team. He can shoot and he can defend and is a great passer, and most of all. HE HAVE BASKETBALL IQ and he will never be a **** up or a cancer. He will sit on that bench for years to come if he have to. A great TEAMMATE.
 

mafra

Legend
If we got Okafor, Bosh, and LeBron James, we would STILL need a center because Okafor is decent but we have NO depth at the Center position off the bench (unless you're in the minority that thinks Earl Barron's decent 7 games means he's all of a sudden a solid bench contributor).

If we got Okafor, Bosh, and LeBron, we'd STILL need a point guard, and we STILL don't have one. Jarvis Varnado would help because like it or not Bosh isn't great on defense and he could've come in as a defensive stopper.

If we get LeBron James and Chris Bosh we're STILL stuck with the fact that we have five small forwards (LeBron, Gallo, Chandler, Walker, Fields) and no interior defense whatsoever (Varnado, Alabi, etc. would've helped that) and NO depth at the guard position (Chandler can play SG but he's not that good, Rautins looks like a catch and shoot player off the bench at best, and Walker is decent but injury prone and not really starting material. Even if Walker and Chandler handle the role fine we still need a point guard which we don't have)

I think Douglas is fine, and I also think we'll be trading for a PG or signing one (Shaun Livingston). Varnado is a solid HELP defender, but he'll get eaten alive down in the post by the likes of Shaq, Howard and big NBA centers.

I agree. I would have taken a C, but I have to wait and see the big picture before I flip out. What if Zoubek agreed to sign with us if he goes undrafted? Are you sure those other guys are a lock to be better options?

If we get LJ and BOSH, people will come begging to play wiith us!
 

New New York

Quiet Storm
CALM DOWN Everbody!


Our Savior is not going to be found in the second round!


Lets be real.....one of if not both of our picks will likely not be in the league 4 years from now as is the case for most of the second round players drafted!

I mean do we just draft a Center of PG for the sake of doing so?

Wojciech Mydra was one best collegiate shot blockers, did that materialize to a solid NBA career?

Ed Cota was a legend at UNC running the point one of the All Time Leading assist men in College and he wasnt drafted


Point being.... in the second round you draft the best player available, trying to fill a need in round 2 is like trying to find your dream car on a random used car lot! Or like trying to find your dream girl at a drunken Mardi Gras party

So hopefully we made the most of at least one of the picks we made.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
no center, no defense.
d'amntoni = no defense, no center
makes perfect sense for an imperfect team.

could've sworn Knicks would choose Sol's Alibi when he dropped down so far.
the skinny center was top pick available for the entire 2nd round.

chicago and miami have outsmarted Donnie Walsh's PLAN 2010,
both teams have better core players and better coach.
can't see any top tier F.A. maxi-pads coming our way...
wtf?

Donnie Walsh is the master...baiter
walshatwork.gif

:barf::gony:
fan-f*cking-tastic!
poor x-'cuse for a draft!
Andy Rottens?

We don't even have a semblance of a front court let alone a center.

**** the Russian Roulette style man!

Either Donnie's in the know, or he's gonna go solely after James with only a city to sell, and a team full of players that play the same position as he does.

At this stage, not one poster here can deny that everything is a big, festering poo.
 

flknickfan

Benchwarmer
CALM DOWN Everbody!


Our Savior is not going to be found in the second round!


Lets be real.....one of if not both of our picks will likely not be in the league 4 years from now as is the case for most of the second round players drafted!

I mean do we just draft a Center of PG for the sake of doing so?

Wojciech Mydra was one best collegiate shot blockers, did that materialize to a solid NBA career?

Ed Cota was a legend at UNC running the point one of the All Time Leading assist men in College and he wasnt drafted


Point being.... in the second round you draft the best player available, trying to fill a need in round 2 is like trying to find your dream car on a random used car lot! Or like trying to find your dream girl at a drunken Mardi Gras party

So hopefully we made the most of at least one of the picks we made.

Thank You for seeing the light
 

flknickfan

Benchwarmer
no center, no defense.
d'amntoni = no defense, no center
makes perfect sense for an imperfect team.

could've sworn Knicks would choose Sol's Alibi when he dropped down so far.
the skinny center was top pick available for the entire 2nd round.

chicago and miami have outsmarted Donnie Walsh's PLAN 2010,
both teams have better core players and better coach.
can't see any top tier F.A. maxi-pads coming our way...
wtf?

Donnie Walsh is the master...baiter
walshatwork.gif

:barf::gony:
fan-f*cking-tastic!
poor x-'cuse for a draft!
Andy Rottens?

Miami has no core and no coach there ARE ONLY 2 PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER; WADE & BEASLEY. They are trying to get rid of Beasley as we speak
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
Dude... Patrick Ewing was 23 when we drafted him = senior

Patrick Ewing was also drafted in an era where most players finished college. It isn't like nowadays when any player worth half his salt is usually out of college by sophomore year. When was the last time a college senior actually made a decent NBA impact? Never, that's when - because players that stay in college for 4 years usually stay because they have no shot of getting drafted in the first three.

Patrick Ewing also came out of college considered to be one of the top prospects of all time. Scouts thought he was going to change the way the center position was played. He was so highly touted and everybody knew that he was unquestionably the #1 pick in that draft.

Andy Rautins isn't anywhere close. He's undersized, slow, and unathletic. He might be a decent player, but why not take your chances with Lance Stephenson instead, who has freakish athleticism and is FIVE YEARS YOUNGER?

Or Solomon Alabi who has a skill that's actually rare and hard to find (ie being really tall)? Rautins might not be a terrible pick but he's nothing special.

Don't even get me started on Landry Fields - we shouldn't have drafted him because NOBODY was going to - we could've signed him as an undrafted free agent and used our second pick on Solomon Alabi.

And you're right - Varnado will get eaten alive by some big guys, but so will Earl Barron, Chris Bosh, and Emeka Okafor. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It'd be one thing to take the best player available if there was some rationale behind it - ie you don't want to be like the Blazers and pass on Michael Jordan because you already have a SG.

But Andy Rautins is not Michael Jordan, and neither is Landry Fields. Neither of them looks like an NBA starter, to be quite honest.
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
Miami has no core and no coace there ARE ONLY 2 PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER; WADE & BEASLEY

Wade and Beasley > Douglas, Walker, Chandler, and Gallo (and two scrubs who will have been waived by the time training camp starts).

Even then just having Wade alone is way more valuable than having Douglas, Walker, Chandler, and Gallo.

Point being.... in the second round you draft the best player available, trying to fill a need in round 2 is like trying to find your dream car on a random used car lot! Or like trying to find your dream girl at a drunken Mardi Gras party


I would've been fine with not drafting a C or PG if we were going after the best player available.

For example, if we drafted Lance Stephenson (an SG, who we already have), I wouldn't have cared, because although he's young and raw he has HUGE upside and is athletic and is projected to be a damn good player.

Andy Rautins and Landry Fields were NOT the most talented players available. Period.
 

flknickfan

Benchwarmer
Patrick Ewing was also drafted in an era where most players finished college. It isn't like nowadays when any player worth half his salt is usually out of college by sophomore year. When was the last time a college senior actually made a decent NBA impact? Never, that's when - because players that stay in college for 4 years usually stay because they have no shot of getting drafted in the first three.

Patrick Ewing also came out of college considered to be one of the top prospects of all time. Scouts thought he was going to change the way the center position was played. He was so highly touted and everybody knew that he was unquestionably the #1 pick in that draft.

Andy Rautins isn't anywhere close. He's undersized, slow, and unathletic. He might be a decent player, but why not take your chances with Lance Stephenson instead, who has freakish athleticism and is FIVE YEARS YOUNGER?

Or Solomon Alabi who has a skill that's actually rare and hard to find (ie being really tall)? Rautins might not be a terrible pick but he's nothing special.

Don't even get me started on Landry Fields - we shouldn't have drafted him because NOBODY was going to - we could've signed him as an undrafted free agent and used our second pick on Solomon Alabi.

And you're right - Varnado will get eaten alive by some big guys, but so will Earl Barron, Chris Bosh, and Emeka Okafor. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It'd be one thing to take the best player available if there was some rationale behind it - ie you don't want to be like the Blazers and pass on Michael Jordan because you already have a SG.

But Andy Rautins is not Michael Jordan, and neither is Landry Fields. Neither of them looks like an NBA starter, to be quite honest.

Alabi is not going to start either. Second, its the 38th pick. If Alabi or Zoubek don't get drafted and we sign one of them what will you say then.

Do you know how many second rounders actually make the team; not many.

Too many people on this board are acting like we had the 10/11 picks in the draft.
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
Alabi is not going to start either. Second, its the 38th pick. If Alabi or Zoubek don't get drafted and we sign one of them what will you say then.

Do you know how many second rounders actually make the team; not many.

Too many people on this board are acting like we had the 10/11 picks in the draft.

Alabi got drafted by the Mavericks, so that's that.

I KNOW not many second rounders make the team. That doesn't mean you should waste the pick on a player with no potential. Not many second rounders make NBA rosters, but teams get all-stars out of the second round (Gilbert Arenas, Carlos Boozer, Rashard Lewis, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobili, Dennis Rodman, Mark Price, etc.) and we'd be stupid not to take second round players who are raw and have potential (ie LANCE STEPHENSON).

And even if we end up signing a decent undrafted FA as a center, it'll still be a stupid pick because we could've gotten that center with the 39th pick and signed Landry Fields as an undrafted FA instead (because honestly nobody was going to draft him and most scouts didn't even have him in the top 100), but no we wasted our pick on a kid who was a bench player for his first two years in college.
 

flknickfan

Benchwarmer
Wade and Beasley > Douglas, Walker, Chandler, and Gallo (and two scrubs who will have been waived by the time training camp starts).

Even then just having Wade alone is way more valuable than having Douglas, Walker, Chandler, and Gallo.



I would've been fine with not drafting a C or PG if we were going after the best player available.

For example, if we drafted Lance Stephenson (an SG, who we already have), I wouldn't have cared, because although he's young and raw he has HUGE upside and is athletic and is projected to be a damn good player.

Andy Rautins and Landry Fields were NOT the most talented players available. Period.
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This statement actually shows lack of bball IQ. The core of the Cavaliers outside of Lebron is BETTER than anything the heat, knicks, or bulls have as teams; and they have not won. So if you think that you can just throw LJ with wade/Beasley and then anyone else on the floor and they win then you know nothing about basketball; sorry.
 

SSj4Wingzero

All Star
This statement actually shows lack of bball IQ. The core of the Cavaliers outside of Lebron is BETTER than anything the heat, knicks, or bulls have as teams; and they have not won. So if you think that you can just throw LJ with wade/Beasley and then anyone else on the floor and they win then you know nothing about basketball; sorry.

Do you seriously think the core of the Cavaliers outside of LeBron is better than the Bulls or the Heat?

The Bulls have Derrick Rose, one of the best up and coming players in the game today (along with Kevin Durant, Tyreke Evans, and Brooke Lopez).

The Heat have Dwyane Wade, a superstar and top 5 player in the NBA.

The Cavaliers have Mo Williams (who's a DECENT player but you'd have to be a moron to think he's as good as Rose or Wade) and Antawn Jamison (who is old and showed he could no longer produce come playoff time, not to mention he still has more time left on his contract). The rest of their team sucks.
 
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