Decision coming on Starting 5

Who Should Start?

  • Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler

    Votes: 12 41.4%
  • Felton, Shumpert, Copeland, Anthony, Chandler

    Votes: 7 24.1%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Total voters
    29

NYk_Reloaded718

★KNICKS-TAPE★
With Iman Shumpert back and Raymond Felton getting closer, Mike Woodson is going to have some interesting choices to make regarding his starting lineup.

Shumpert started Thursday because Woodson didn't want the second-year guard to tighten up after warmups.


The Knicks are getting healthier -- Iman Shumpert made his season debut Thursday in London.

Many believe Shumpert will eventually start for the Knicks anyway. But what happens to Jason Kidd when Felton comes back? Does he go to the bench?

What about Amar'e Stoudemire? Will he eventually return to the starting lineup?

Below, we present a few potential starting fives for the Knicks, once everyone is healthy.

Felton, Kidd, Shumpert, Anthony, Chandler: Assuming Woodson wants J.R. Smith to continue coming off the bench, this is the best starting five in my opinion, although that comes with a caveat*. This lineup allows Carmelo Anthony to stay at power forward, where he can take advantage of mismatches. And it keeps a two-point-guard configuration on the floor, which the Knicks have had success with.

(*The Knicks, though, would benefit from bringing Kidd off the bench after Felton gets back. Kidd has been playing too many minutes with Felton out, and bringing him off the bench would allow Woodson to keep him fresh for late in the regular season and the postseason.)

Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler: This is the Knicks' best five-man unit, in my opinion. It's unlikely to be the team's starting five, though. Woodson likes to have Smith's scoring off the bench. Though it's worth noting that, of the Knicks' five-man lineups that have played at least 50 minutes together, two of the top three in terms of projected win percentage have Smith at shooting guard, according to 82games.com. This is the lineup that will likely be finishing games once everyone is healthy.

Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler: This lineup inserts Stoudemire back into the starting five. The issue here, as has been discussed, is the spacing between Stoudemire and Anthony -- and, more importantly, Stoudemire and Chandler. On Thursday, Stoudemire looked extremely strong off the bench, and it appears he'll have continued success taking advantage of overmatched defenders in opponents' second units. So I think he should continue to come off the bench.

What do you guys think? If you were Woodson, what would your starting five be?

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New New York

Quiet Storm
Felton
Shump
Cope
Melo
Tyson

Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
 

NY17KNICKS

★Melo Mafia★
Felton
Shump
Cope
Melo
Tyson

Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's
YESSSS Cope
 

NY_Swagger

Benchwarmer
Felton
Shump
Cope
Melo
Tyson

Better offensively than defensively but not horrible on D either

Shump and Cope >> Kidd Brewer

Both Melo and Cope will present problems for PF's trying to guard them

Kidd brings intangibles Shump does not have but defenses will have to commit to Shumps penetrations more than they do Kidd's

Yeah I would use this lineup ^
or
when/if ever healthy?

Felton
Shump
Melo
Camby or Wallace
Tyson

Bench:
Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
Smith
Novak
Kidd plays the 2
Pablo plays the 1
 

ChrisN7

Benchwarmer
Voted for Felton, Shump, Melo, Amar'e, Tyson. Difficult to leave Kidd out, and maybe a bit harsh as he's played pretty well this season. However with Kidd coming off the bench it saves his legs a bit. Amar'e has looked ok off the bench coming back but I think he will start eventually and he and Melo I think are starting to work better together with Amar'e realising this is Melo's team now. JR off the bench is a cert, love the offence and energy he brings to the second unit.
 

tiger0330

Legend
Minimize the time Stat, Melo and Chandler are on the floor at the same time. We've seen Stat at the 5 so I like this lineup as well for stretches of the game.

Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Stat:
 

deamon

Benchwarmer
Kidd should definitely rest till PO. When Felton back, Kidd shouldn't play in b2b games, use Prigioni as backup.

PG Felton 28min/Kidd 20min
SG Shumpert 24min/Smith 24min
SF Melo 33min/Copeland 15min
PF Camby 12min/Wallace 10 min/Stoudemire 10min/Novak 16 min
C Chandler 28min/Stoudemire 20min

Prigioni (only garbage time and b2b games as 2nd PG)
Brewer (only garbage time)
James (only garbage time)
Thomas (only garbage time)

If Wallace can't play, bring on Martin, we need size.
 

tiger0330

Legend
If Wallace can't play, bring on Martin, we need size.
Not sure what the problem is with KMart. When he went unsigned they said he didn't want to play for the min, now that he will play for the min and on 10 day contracts nobody still want's him. The Heat and the Lakers could use him and he doesn't seem to be on their radar, almost like he's been blackballed.

ESPN Insider doesn't expect the Knicks to make a move. BTW, the 8.8% is the chance for us to win an NBA ring among three systems this writer used.

5. New York Knicks | 8.8 percent

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Iman Shumpert made his season debut in London on Thursday, and while his game showed plenty of rust, he was able to log 15 minutes without any trouble. Ray Felton is due to return from his hand injury before long, so New York will soon have as close to its full contingent of talent as it's going to get this season. Rasheed Wallace insists that his foot problem isn't going to end his season, but it's also not known when he might get back on the court.
If Wallace's injury does become a season-ender, then maybe the Knicks will seek another big man for insurance, though the depth chart still has Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire, Marcus Camby and Kurt Thomas. The roster is at the 15-player limit, the Knicks are way over the tax line and they don't have any cap exceptions left to use. Chances are, they won't be making any major moves.
The biggest area to upgrade is the perimeter defense. The Knicks are allowing far too many 3-point looks, and according to HoopData.com, rank 19th or lower in percentage allowed in each zone from 10 feet and out. A return to health by Shumpert is the best option for shoring up this weakness. If someone does emerge on the buyout market, the Knicks could open a roster spot by eating the rest of James White's contract, as his performance in limited minutes hasn't been of much help.
The Knicks can afford to be patient as they wait to see if Shumpert can play a major role and if Wallace can get back onto the floor.
 
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Paul1355

All Star
I am really suprised that 3 people voted to have Amare in the starting lineup with Anthony and CHandler. Amare still needs to score consistently to be in the starting lineup.

However Amare is beginning to thrive in his role as backup center. With Sheed and Camby out I believe Amare should stay as the back up and have plays run for hom with Prigs at the point and JR/Novak/Cope hitting outside shots to spread the floor for him.

I voted for Felton/Kidd/Shump/Melo/CHandler. Our perimeter defense is at its best with this lineup and we have the miss match with Melo at PF.

The best statistical lineup is Felton Kidd JR Melo and Tyson which is a +63. However JR and Amare are thriving in their role and we should keep them there unless there are injuries.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Coach Woody decision on the 5 starters will show his mistakes

ReLoaded .. your lineup of Tyson/Melo need Ibaka, or Evans, or a strong defensive-rebounder in it for the midseason & postseason games.

Your lineup of Felton, Shumpert, Smith, Anthony, Chandler: would be considered a small-ball lineup with 4 players who can put the ball on the floor .. its a decent lineup to trade-points .. it's weakness is giving up offensive-rebounds (with Tyson defendin-peremeter LOL).

Felton is our 28 minutes startin PG throughout the regular season.

JR.Smith is the SG that belongs with Felton in the starting lineup ..
the two have to learn to co-exist in the backcourt through the midseason.
especially if JR & Felton plan on being Knicks in the 2013-14 season.

A 2nd season Shumpert is our 30 minute weapon u bring off the bench to opose the weakness in our oponents backcourt guards rotation for STOPS .. Shump is a finisher not a starter.

Kidd is the best PG to tutor the future of Shump performance throughout midseason, this brings Kidd off the bench with Shump .. at least untill the postseason games.

Melo is our 32 minute startin SF .. a position where he could get his best mismatch on offense .. however on DEFENSE we dont want Melo defending bigmen anywhere near the paint. We need Melo to follow Paul Pierce defensive strategy. We need our center & PF to co-exist down-low on the defensive-end so they dont get caught up in the low-post switches.

Novak & Copeland are decent peremeter SF .. although both have a grade C- minus when trying to defend the PF post .. poor box-out, and poor at claiming rebounds.

Our starting PF should be either Novak, or Kurt, or Sheed, until Amare is ready to take the starting job.

After Amare's Fire-Extingusher postseason in a lineup with JR/Melo/Tyson, the best way Amare performance could help the Knicks be a winning postseason team is to bring Amare off the bench in his own 2nd-unit lineup without Tyson/Melo/JR.
A 2nd-unit lineup fits Amare perfect .. Amare career is use to being in a short 6 to 7 man rotation .. since Amare return to the rotation coach Woody been shufflin Amare in and out of 20 different lineup changes ..
This is not the way to GELL Amare into a rotation with 9 new teammates.

Starters .. Felton/JR/Melo/Novak/Tyson
2nd-Unit .. Kidd or Pablo/Shump/Copeland/Amare/Camby
 

New New York

Quiet Storm
Yeah I would use this lineup ^
or
when/if ever healthy?

Felton
Shump
Melo
Camby or Wallace
Tyson

Bench:
Stat in 5-6min after tip for Camby/Wallace/Cope
Smith
Novak
Kidd plays the 2
Pablo plays the 1


Camby starting allows for teams to play tighter double teams on Melo

His offense is Jared Jefferies type bad so far
 

CoolClyde

Moderator
Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Stoudemire, Chandler:

Felton will be back in the starting lineup when healthy.
Kidd has x-amount of minutes he can play, if he's going to end games, he'll come off bench, as per start of season. Knicks can use his presence as the double-headed PG we've seen, and 3-point charge off bench.

Shumpert is better than Brewer or Cope, is another PG-type distributor, and a better defender. The fact that he's in starting lineup the second he's able to play attests to fact that Wood Son loves him and wants him there.

STAT, if he's ever going to gel with Melo, needs to get in the starting lineup as soon as he's able, he's better than Sheed or Thomas, who Knicks had starting as second big in his absence.

Felton/STAT is a tried and true formidable P&R combo yet to be seen, that needs run in starting lineup.

Melo/Chandler goes without saying.

I guarantee this lineup will be Wood Son's thinking within the next couple weeks, as long as everyone stays healthy.
:gony::smokin:
 
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erivera

Benchwarmer
i like a lineup of felton, shumpert/kidd, melo, copeland, and chandler. i just like this lineup because without camby and sheed this lineup gives us a little extra size in the frontcourt. i know copeland isn't the best defender or rebounder, but until shumpert plays for a couple weeks i wouldn't want him to play bigger forwards.
 

Rob Low

Rotation player
I thought the first option would win by a landslide. It's the best mix of guard play and spacing. We were at our best at the beginning of the year with Felton,Kidd,Brewer,Melo, and Tyson. Replace Brewer with Shump and we'd be even better. It also allows us to have almost as strong a second unit as a first.


Felton
Kidd
Shump
Melo
Tyson

Prigioni
JR
Novak
Amare
Camby
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Would a healthy 15 man roster have Woodson FIRED???

Camby starting allows for teams to play tighter double teams on Melo

His offense is Jared Jefferies type bad so far


Putting Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson was FOOLISH, DUM, STUPID, and a strong reason to question Mike Woodson ability to coach a contender team in the NBA.

1) The purpose of signing C-Camby was to backup C-Tyson Chandler.

2) Camby return from injury happen to be the same time as Amare return from injury .. coincidence

3) Rather than coach Woodson let the two returning bigmen C-Camby & PF-Amare GELL as a frontcourt tandem coming off the bench getting their minutes together for 10 or more games, coach Woodson does the foolish.

4) Putting Camby in the starting lineup without an injured Tyson, Camby automatically caught the Sheed alergic foot injury .. we could thank coach Woodson STUPIDITY for an injured Sheed & Camby.

5) Our "OLD-HEADS" want to play in a steady lineup with the same teammates in the lineup so they could GELL - CO-EXIST with the players in the lineup. They do not want to be SHUFFLED around in so many different lineups where they never get the chance to GELL with any of their teammates after 5 or more games.

6) This is why we have a poor-Frontcourt rotation with poor-DEFENSE, poor-REBOUNDING, and so many damn INJURIES .. Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.
:crossfingers::crossfingers::crossfingers:
:gony:
 

erivera

Benchwarmer
Putting Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson was FOOLISH, DUM, STUPID, and a strong reason to question Mike Woodson ability to coach a contender team in the NBA.

1) The purpose of signing C-Camby was to backup C-Tyson Chandler.

2) Camby return from injury happen to be the same time as Amare return from injury .. coincidence

3) Rather than coach Woodson let the two returning bigmen C-Camby & PF-Amare GELL as a frontcourt tandem coming off the bench getting their minutes together for 10 or more games, coach Woodson does the foolish.

4) Putting Camby in the starting lineup without an injured Tyson, Camby automatically caught the Sheed alergic foot injury .. we could thank coach Woodson STUPIDITY for an injured Sheed & Camby.

5) Our "OLD-HEADS" want to play in a steady lineup with the same teammates in the lineup so they could GELL - CO-EXIST with the players in the lineup. They do not want to be SHUFFLED around in so many different lineups where they never get the chance to GELL with any of their teammates after 5 or more games.

6) This is why we have a poor-Frontcourt rotation with poor-DEFENSE, poor-REBOUNDING, and so many damn INJURIES .. Now we have to worry/wonder about coach Woodson foolish-substitution in the backcourt when both "Shump & Felton" return to the rotation.
:crossfingers::crossfingers::crossfingers:
:gony:


can you stop being so dramatic please? woodson is trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.
 
Most of these line ups will work....depending on who we play. This team is so deep you can practically custom make a line up for each team the Knicks play, if the injuries weren't a issue.

However, I would like to start Felton, Melo, Shump,Chandler, and Brewer at some point. Give Melo early buckets to get in the game. Play early explosive defense to wear down the other teams starters. Start rotating in more offense according to the game. To be clear....not a definite starting line up...but one i would like to see.
 

DaTPRiNCE

The Knicks are Back
maybe after the break we add STAT back to the starting 5. he's working his way back into it and him starting would maximize our talent as we would have respectable player on the perimeter and the post, so that more than likely takes away the oppositions double team scheme, thus allowing melo to rape anyone he faces 1-on-1 without having to worry about someone coming to attempt and break it up. it allows stat to work and bully his way to numerous and 1's and pick-and-roll dunks with felt. shumpert is the all round dude that will nit pick and beast when called upon (by the playoffs his role will be vital and hell emerge as a legitimate top young player) .
 
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