You have it reversed. We have seen it. We have evidence. We have seen evolution occur, in real life. We have all the evidence in the world. I've even shown you this several times in several threads.
Noone has seen god. You have no evidence.
God doesn't have to have a personal conversation with me. Just find one bit of evidence that proves evolution false. Find a rabbit (or any mammal) fossil that existed 500 million years ago. Or a dinosaur fossil that lived 50,000 years ago. There are a million examples that could prove evolution false. But not one, ever has been found. Every single piece of evidence strenghtens evolution. And with our recent understanding of genetics and DNA, and the mapping of genomes, it is 100% certain evolution is true.
Like I've said a hundred times. I have mountains of evidence (literally) you have zero. I'll stick with the evdence over some invisible being that nobody has seen.
mat 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Happening now.
Isa 2:2 And it must occur
in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3
And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
Is it really a coincidence that there just happens to be a group of people called by the name of Jehovah God, made up of all nations on earth, who refuse to fight in wars?
Dan 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the
God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;
People laugh when JW say that God's Kingdom is an actual government, set up in heaven, and that is where Jesus currently has taken up post as King of God's actual Kingdom. This is why we preach. We preach the Kingdom of God. Is it a coincidence that thousands of years ago God showed Daniel what would happen in our day, and it is actually taking place?
What you call, lack of evidence, I see it to be very tangible. No JW is blind. God said A will happen, and it does. All one has to do is pay attn.
I never said Neaderthals couldn't mate with humans. The thought that they might actually, again, strengthens evolution. So I don't know why you always bring this up. It actually hurts your argument.
You said Neanderthals were not human. If that is the case, there is no way they could mate. Not until I posted that wiki article where it said it was possible did you clarify by saying "not modern human".
And because science learns more and adjusts doesn't mean they're wrong. People at one point thought the earth was the center of the universe. Does this mean we don't know that the earth is the 3rd planet from the sun and the sun is the center of our solar system, and our solar system is on a spiral arm of the milky way galaxy? No. In fact, not too long ago we believed the Milky Way galaxy was the only galaxy. No we know there are hundreds of billions of galaxies.
I see how this works. Only science is allowed to revise, or be wrong. If a JW says "new light" it's met with ridicule. But hey, science can get all the passes necessary
And I am fine with Scientific revision. As you learn more, clouded thoughts become clearer. Nothing wrong with revision. Scientific or religious.
People in Jesus' time, even Jesus himself, thought illness came from demons. Now we know that simple sanitation can save lives.
We know they were wrong then. That doesn't mean we're wrong now. That's the point of science. To learn. Advance knowledge, which you refuse to do. I have yet to see science reverse understanding, only enhance it.
And again, this is a childish response from someone who can't debate the topic at hand. Change the subject and get your last word in so you can boost your obviously low self-esteem.
I asked you to site the verse, where Jesus said demons make people sick. Because I am 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 % sure you are taking this way out of context.
The Jews were given specific instructions on cleanliness by Jehovah, when surrounding nations were bathing in fecies. They even washed their hands to their elbows before meals. Clearly, you are taking this out of context.
Now about my self esteem. I really do not see the relevance of it in this conversation. And it's hilarious that you call me a child, and dumb, and such, yet, you resort to the tactics, pretty often, that would put you in that light.
Also, I know the truth. I can build a relationship with God, based on that. I have a great wife, gorgeous kids, decent Job, built like Marvin Hagler in his prime, and strikingly handsome. But I'll let you call it!*Kanye shrug*
Once again, you misinterpret the bible. This passage is referring to creating all kinds of animals.
The message:
God spoke: "Earth, generate life! Every sort and kind:
cattle and reptiles and wild animals—all kinds."
And there it was:
wild animals of every kind,
Cattle of all kinds, every sort of reptile and bug.
God saw that it was good.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 1&version=MSG
Contemporary english version:
God said, "I command the earth to give life to all kinds of tame animals, wild animals, and reptiles." And that's what happened. 25God made every one of them. Then he looked at what he had done, and it was good.
You have real problems interpreting the bible. Not surprising coming from a group that keeps prediciting the end of the world and getting it wrong.
Incidentally, in this passage the bible states that god created domestic animals. More evidence that proves the bible is wrong. We created domestic animals during the Mesolithic Period. Cows, dogs, etc did not exist before we got hold of their ancestors and through Artificial Selection, we have created the animals that you see today.
More evidence for evolution and against the bible. Damn. It just keeps getting worse and worse for you. How much longer can you keep this charade up? I have evidence and facts that contradict the bible, you have false statements in the bible and invisible friends that nobody can see or has ever seen.
No, you just quoted a bible that fits your viewpoint better. But, does this really need to be addressed? You may be booksmart, but geez, common sense escapes you often in these posts. You say that this verse refers to animals, and yes, it does. But in a broader spectrum, it refers to all of God's creations. How do we know? Simply by looking around. Seeds from and apple tree will never produce oranges. A cat will never have a pitbull. And Monkey's will never produce humans. All of these species produce "According to their kinds". I do not need to see a specific bible verse to show that, the evidence is already there. Sheesh.
Bingo!! Variations within species!! This is the basis for evolution. Variation within species. When populations within species migrate, or are split apart from various physical or meteorlogical changes in the earth, the natural selection forces differ in those areas, and drive SPECIATION!!! It's a proven fact. Speciation over hundreds of thousands of years, millions of years, billions of years is evolution. If we can change animals so drastically in a few thousand years through artificial selection, think how different species can change though natural selection over billions of years.
Just because God has allowed an amount of variation within species, does not mean that evolution is a fact. Sorry.
And do you hear yourself? Over hundreds of thousands of years? Who is going to be around to witness that? It's been 6 k with modern humans, we have not changed a bit yet. Who will be around to document these changes? And does that not seem convenient? Science can say in, in billions of years from now. X will happen over 3004949303894847236345268129039, 094874626172330204930430200-2834874583933009340. Then they say this "FACT". Who saw that? There is no God. So what human saw these changes? Why didn't the hunter gatherers document any of this? Smart enough to make tools, but not smart enough to document humanities most important events?
Yet, In a short 6 k years, Modern humans have managed to keep track of History pretty dang well. And we have spaceships. SMH
Who said we are stuck like this? You think in such short periods of time. Neandrthals occured 50,000 years ago. We are quite different from them. Obviously we are evolving. But for short-sighted people like yourself, you can barely comprehend a little longer than your immediate history/life/future.
We're so quite different, that we possibly hit that. Sure.
Why it's lost is what we understand poorly. But like everything on this earth and in this universe, there is imperfection. Nothing is perfect. Whenever something is copied over and over and over, typically little bits of information are lost.
If you want to play god of the gaps (i.e. what we don't know must be god) go ahead. I won't let ignorance run my life. I will always look to educate and learn more.
All it takes is for one little bit of data to contradict what I know and support what you believe for me to change. Just one little bit. Actual data, evidence. Not more bible misinterpretations. Facts that can be verified. Just one. Until then, I will follow the facts and evidence.
You call incomplete data facts and evidence? Hey, it works for you! Me? I want complete answers. And Jehovah gives them. "We understand it poorly" coincides with not knowing why we get old and die.
Yeah 3 years. And each year you say it's real soon. That you believe it's happening within 2-5 years. Well, you've got two more years before your time is up.
How long will you be able to get away with saying it's coming real soon? 20 years? You'll see eventually. Like I said, it may not be until you are close to your deathbed since you are so deep into the JW cult and can't get out, but eventually you'll see.
I know god is not coming down to murder 99% of his favorite creation. I am 100% certain of this. I will always be here to remind you. Every year that goes by.
I said I doubt we have 10 years left in this system. Then you asked what would it take for me to question it. I said 20. Why? Because of new light, we have a better understanding of a certain biblical verse. It speaks of a generation not passing off before the comes. That generation is the group of annointed, or those who give up earthly life, for heavenly life co ruling God's Kingdom for 1000 years. Jesus said before that generation passes away, they will see the end actually happen. We used to think that generation was those born around 1914, and diff years, which has contributed to our "false predictions" in many cases.
Now we know that generation is strictly the annointed and the remnant that live today. That it applies strictly to that group. How? Because when Jesus said it, every Christian alive had the hope of the heavenly reward, since it was open to 144,000. That recruitment, so to speak continued throughout the ages, but was obviously tremendously slowed, because true worship was trampled upon, once the Apostles died off. We do not know how many were of the Annointed exactly in Jesus day, but fair to say thousands.
When true worship was restored, in our time, everyone thought they had the heavenly hope. Until the numbers grew past 144k. Once that happened, a lot in the faith really prayed on what their calling was, and the number of annointed dropped drastically since. As with new light, comes new adjustments. A lot more started focusing on living forever on earth. Jehovah will let you know if you are going to heaven. It will be clear. today, we have just a few thousand who actually partake in eating the emblems. The bread, and drinking the wine. These people are very old. If it is true that some of the remnant will be alive to see the end, as Jesus said they would, then it has got to be close. Each year, they die off. And again, they are OOOOOLLLLDDDD!!! I don't mean 70. I mean OLD! On top of that, the world HATES religion. The Governments are making more and more subtle moves, removing it's power. It will happen. It's a matter of when. It will be shortly.
Wait, it makes sense that an all-knowing, all powerful, all-seeing, all loving being is going to kill 99% of his favorite creation to prove that he was right. And these dead people are somehow suppossed to learn a lesson or something. How are they suppossed to learn a lesson if they're dead?
For a brief second they realize they were being decieved by another invisible creature that the invisible all-knowing being created and then they're dead. What is the f*cking point?
And the only people that are saved are the ones that were right all along, so what do they have to learn? Nothing, they've been living the right way from the beginning. What's the f*cking point?
Sounds like some real petty, egomaniacal, cruel, sadistic sh*t to me
No. He is going to rid the world of Unrighteousness, and wickedness, so that Those who love Righteousness, can live in peace, as God intended. You can call that petty if you wish, your right. But for those who hate what this world is, and this world, right now is plain disgusting, let's call it what it is, it's a good thing. There is no love, no peace, stress, greed, immorality. I'm sorry, that is just bad. Everyone will say that it is bad, and we all agree that if these things were not so, humanity will be better off, yet people complain when God says he is actually going to do JUST THAT! Rid humanity of it's ills! Sheesh, talk about unappreciative.
It's the equivalent of telling your child not to eat any candy, then placing candy all over the house, and when your child ate some candy, you shoot him in the head, even though you knew ahead of time he would eat the candy anyway. Yeah, makes perfect sense. WHAT A SICK MOTHERF*CKER!! SMH.
This analogy is not accurate.
God gives us his written word, to help us AVOID the pitfalls of Satan's system. He tells his people to be in the world, but not of it! Therefore, there is no candy placed all over the house, if you're in God's house! But there is a lotta Candy in the God of this system's house
Why does god have to wait to get to the point where we live the way he wanted? He's god. He can do anything. This seems to hint that god doesn't want what he created? He is unhappy with us? How could a PERFECT, ALL-KNOWING, ALL-SEEING being not be happy with something HE CREATED? That does't make any sense. He created it!! If he can see in the future, is all-knowing and all-seeing, how the f*ck could he make something that he didn't know he was going to be unhappy with. It shows imperfection, if anything.
And why the f*ck would an all-knowing, all-seeing, perfect being that can see into the future create Satan?!? He would have known Adam was going to sin before he even created satan. HE'S ALL-KNOWING!!!
Because we are not robots. If he wanted that, he would have made them. But just because he is hurt that we choose to leave him, should not be a strike against him being God. Why would he not want us to love him? Would it not disappoint you if you did all you could for your kids, and they showed no love or appreciation for your efforts in raising them?
God being all seeing, knowing, is IRRELEVANT when it comes to free moral agents he made, with the ability to choose to love or not.
And maybe he did see that this would happen. And if he did, you know what that shows about God? HIS LOVE! Because he saw that he would be hurt by the very thing he created out of love, and made them anyways for the ones who choose to love him!!!!!! Then, to resuce us, he sends the closest being to him in existence, His only creation he ever made alone, to die for us! Like I said dude, you're evidently extremely book smart, but jeez, common sense is lacking.
So why go through all this to prove what he already knows? That his creation cannot do what he wants. He would have known this from the moment he created anything, even before he created anything. He already would have known. But he goes through with it anyway. .
Are you lost? They are called his witnesses because they showed with their actions that they choose to love God. Just because some chose the other way does not mean God failed. Those who chose wrong, failed. Sorry. You are wrong. I know you hate that, but you are.
Meanwhile thousands of years of suffering, billions of deaths later he proves to the people that already know, and he already knows, what he wants, which the good people already know and he knows. Yet, the people that don't know, will not know because they will be killed.
Why the f*ck would a PERFECT, ALL-KNOWING, ALL-SEEING being prove to himself what he WOULD ALREADY KNOW?!?
I'm sorry, none of that makes any sense or follows any sort of logic. I can't believe you actually tell yourself this. SMH.
I'll stick with the facts. Thanks.
Actually, most people come from out of the world to the truth. So a lot of them did not already know. And he is not proving to himself anything. He is proving to his witnesses. That is why he allows satan to demean him. So that once and for all, this issue can be settled, and never happen again. A true, one and done. Sorry you don't get it. Should be easy with your superior intelligence.