stannhuang1
Rookie
It has been a thing that I found on knicks offense, because after Jeremy Lin got crazy, I started to look at their games. Their offense strategies has been dramatically different! I took some offense examples and I can show you guys how this stuff is changing for the knicks. I took the game VS Lakers and VS Heat.
My drawing are not great, but one line illustrates one player, a triangle symbolizes where they're at when the shot is taken, the Line starts when their offense start moving.
Lakers: When Lin is on point, with Fields/Walker/Jefferies/Chandler, the ball movement is as fast as personnel movement. The movement allows the people to have open looks, and it is almost like Phil Jackson's Triangle offense + D'Antoni offense. Just simply look at this pic below.
Landry Fields/Walker almost switched wings at the same time. Chandler and Jefferies switched locations. Lin drew a big circle to get away from the double defenders after the pick. Jefferies took the shot, and Chandler is ready to pickup and rebounds.
Note: Walker was almost open. Fields had a defender that was a bit far from him. He was free to do a ball fake and then penetrate for goal/kickout. This is the beauty of the TEAM basketball. We shoot WHEN WE'RE OPEN!
Heat:
Lin WITH STOUDEMIRE. ANTHONY WAS ON THE BENCH.
When Landry gets a possibility to penetrate the basket, Novak got up towards the top, so that the defenders would not all concentrate on Fields. Lin moved to the left wing to prep for 3 or restart offense. Chandler moved towards a possible rebound. and what did STOUDEMIRE do? Almost sideline. You think he's thinking about a rebound or wanting to let Landry Fields kick out? I bet Stats wants his kickout and maybe do his Jumper...... I got nothing to say. Stats did not really move at all!
WITH STOUDEMIRE AND ANTHONY + Lin.
Anthony did not move around. He sleeps in his corner, waiving his hands for the ball to be in his hand. Stat sits in the middle, doing rebounds? No. Doing attack? No, but I guess he still wanted it in this example... Lin moved to the right side to weaken defense, and Chandler threw himself in the paint for rebounds. Fields was sandwiched in the middle, he couldn't move, because if he moves, his defender would have time to double on 'Melo.
everybody was guarded, nobody had a chance to make a shot. 'Melo does his iso-jumper, and hit the rim, no basket.
This time, the poor Stoudemire finally gets to attack..
Lin took a pick n' roll and sent it to Stoudemire. He runs from the almost corner straight to the basket. He did it, but it wasn't pretty.
If STATs didn't make the shots, 4 Heat players are in the paint, available for rebound. Chandler couldn't get in, because his defenders can simply help against STATs. Melo sleeps on his corner, while his defender (James) already went to defend against Stats. Lin couldn't move, and Landry couldn't either.
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my point is, when Knicks re-gained their superstars, the offense becomes more... like everybody are glued to the ground. while Baron davis threw 8 assists with bench (ex-Jeremy Lin's startup team), it is crazy of how the offense with superstars helped Knicks NEGATIVELY while the big 3 + Lin are on the floor. Baron Davis and Lin both have similar PG styles, and that is one of the reasons why Lin threw some 8-9 assists per game without 'Melo.
Melo's problem to the offense is that D'Antoni's offense doesn't need a star SF. When Steve Nash reigned the 05-06 season, I saw these guys in their rosters with him: Joe Johnson (got a bigger contract later, of course, 3pt capable), Shawn Marion (pro defender + 3pt), Boris Diaw (point forward, 3pt capable), and Steve Hunter/Stoudemire dominates the Paint for the suns. The start of offense starts with Pick-roll. and then all the 3pt capable shooters wait outside the line, if Stats&Nash decides to kick out.
With Knicks's current style, Stats + Lin/Davis + Novak + JR Smith + Bill Walker/Shumpert/Fields can be a re-do of the Phoenix D'Antoni offense. I mention bill walker because he is NOT selfish. He passes the ball, do jumpers, do 3s, and defended Kobe finely with the help from Shumpert/Fields. Novak PF, Stats =C, and then SF/SG + Lin/Davis.
With a better defensive model, ,Chandler replacing Stats can also be an good idea. He is better in rebounding, and he can do pick n' roll like Stats..
If Josh Harrison develops his 3pt capability, it's going to be scary, because the lanes will be wide open for PG to penetrate, being that the defense cannot shrink for the PG, and PG can either finish basket, or give it to the pick-n-roll PF/C, or kickout for 3pointer. However, Josh is still a rookie. he should concentrate more on the Inside, learn stuff from Chandler and grab more rebounds for second-chance offense and kill the second-chance of the opposing team.
Please make comments about my idea, whether you think it's good or wrong. that way we would have a good discussion. Thanks!
My drawing are not great, but one line illustrates one player, a triangle symbolizes where they're at when the shot is taken, the Line starts when their offense start moving.
Lakers: When Lin is on point, with Fields/Walker/Jefferies/Chandler, the ball movement is as fast as personnel movement. The movement allows the people to have open looks, and it is almost like Phil Jackson's Triangle offense + D'Antoni offense. Just simply look at this pic below.
Landry Fields/Walker almost switched wings at the same time. Chandler and Jefferies switched locations. Lin drew a big circle to get away from the double defenders after the pick. Jefferies took the shot, and Chandler is ready to pickup and rebounds.
Note: Walker was almost open. Fields had a defender that was a bit far from him. He was free to do a ball fake and then penetrate for goal/kickout. This is the beauty of the TEAM basketball. We shoot WHEN WE'RE OPEN!
Heat:
Lin WITH STOUDEMIRE. ANTHONY WAS ON THE BENCH.
When Landry gets a possibility to penetrate the basket, Novak got up towards the top, so that the defenders would not all concentrate on Fields. Lin moved to the left wing to prep for 3 or restart offense. Chandler moved towards a possible rebound. and what did STOUDEMIRE do? Almost sideline. You think he's thinking about a rebound or wanting to let Landry Fields kick out? I bet Stats wants his kickout and maybe do his Jumper...... I got nothing to say. Stats did not really move at all!
WITH STOUDEMIRE AND ANTHONY + Lin.
Anthony did not move around. He sleeps in his corner, waiving his hands for the ball to be in his hand. Stat sits in the middle, doing rebounds? No. Doing attack? No, but I guess he still wanted it in this example... Lin moved to the right side to weaken defense, and Chandler threw himself in the paint for rebounds. Fields was sandwiched in the middle, he couldn't move, because if he moves, his defender would have time to double on 'Melo.
everybody was guarded, nobody had a chance to make a shot. 'Melo does his iso-jumper, and hit the rim, no basket.
This time, the poor Stoudemire finally gets to attack..
Lin took a pick n' roll and sent it to Stoudemire. He runs from the almost corner straight to the basket. He did it, but it wasn't pretty.
If STATs didn't make the shots, 4 Heat players are in the paint, available for rebound. Chandler couldn't get in, because his defenders can simply help against STATs. Melo sleeps on his corner, while his defender (James) already went to defend against Stats. Lin couldn't move, and Landry couldn't either.
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my point is, when Knicks re-gained their superstars, the offense becomes more... like everybody are glued to the ground. while Baron davis threw 8 assists with bench (ex-Jeremy Lin's startup team), it is crazy of how the offense with superstars helped Knicks NEGATIVELY while the big 3 + Lin are on the floor. Baron Davis and Lin both have similar PG styles, and that is one of the reasons why Lin threw some 8-9 assists per game without 'Melo.
Melo's problem to the offense is that D'Antoni's offense doesn't need a star SF. When Steve Nash reigned the 05-06 season, I saw these guys in their rosters with him: Joe Johnson (got a bigger contract later, of course, 3pt capable), Shawn Marion (pro defender + 3pt), Boris Diaw (point forward, 3pt capable), and Steve Hunter/Stoudemire dominates the Paint for the suns. The start of offense starts with Pick-roll. and then all the 3pt capable shooters wait outside the line, if Stats&Nash decides to kick out.
With Knicks's current style, Stats + Lin/Davis + Novak + JR Smith + Bill Walker/Shumpert/Fields can be a re-do of the Phoenix D'Antoni offense. I mention bill walker because he is NOT selfish. He passes the ball, do jumpers, do 3s, and defended Kobe finely with the help from Shumpert/Fields. Novak PF, Stats =C, and then SF/SG + Lin/Davis.
With a better defensive model, ,Chandler replacing Stats can also be an good idea. He is better in rebounding, and he can do pick n' roll like Stats..
If Josh Harrison develops his 3pt capability, it's going to be scary, because the lanes will be wide open for PG to penetrate, being that the defense cannot shrink for the PG, and PG can either finish basket, or give it to the pick-n-roll PF/C, or kickout for 3pointer. However, Josh is still a rookie. he should concentrate more on the Inside, learn stuff from Chandler and grab more rebounds for second-chance offense and kill the second-chance of the opposing team.
Please make comments about my idea, whether you think it's good or wrong. that way we would have a good discussion. Thanks!
