It's not Thomas or Marbury - Eddy Curry is the Problem

nixon7 · Dec 02, 2007, 09:46

> "It's going to take some patience to work, some hard work," Curry said. "We're two players who need the ball to make our
> presence out there. It's going to take some work. I think they're trying to look for me."

Do not get me wrong. Both Thomas and Marbury have done some bone headed things. The Knicks doubtless would be better off with Jerry West as GM, Rick Carlyle as coach, and a true point guard with less "talent" than Marbury.

However, the quote above shows that Eddy Curry has learned exactly ZERO in his previous six years as a "professional". The Knicks would have a chance at becoming winners precisely when Eddy Curry learns how to and desires to be effective and contribute without the ball.

Just imagine the Knicks, if Eddy Curry consistently put in the defensive effort that Andrew Bogut gave in the fourth quarter of Friday's game.

Combine this with the fact that, despite the offseason hype and the encouraging weight-loss, Curry is still not in NBA shape (according to Greg Anthony on the Knicks-Celtics gamecast - and a guy has to be pretty badly out of shape for a national broadcaster to admit it). Put simply, if he had the upper-body development of the average NBA player, Eddy Curry would not be getting stripped of the ball and having his layups rejected by 6-1 point guards. Just look at Curry's arms and shoulders, and then look at any NBA player whom you admire. The difference is obvious; the conclusion is shameful.

thekidd13 · Dec 02, 2007, 13:01

u know that weight gives him that POWER! but ok umm who can replace curry than?

Starks · Dec 02, 2007, 13:11

It's all of them.

Years later, this team will go down in the history books as one the most obtuse rosters ever assembled in NBA, maybe even sports, history! Thomas and the Knicks are an icon of undisputed failure from top to bottom.

This is the worst possible team for every person on our roster to be on based on their overall game, defense, and leadership abilities. It's quite remarkable actually, when you think about how one GM can be so horrific about his job, and still be employed and get paid millions.

Only in America

nyKnicks126 · Dec 02, 2007, 13:45

He is 7 years in the league, you would think he could at least improve more. He wont. Turnovers turnovers and turnovers are Eddy Currys bad habits. I disagree with the title its not Thomas or Marbury 100%. The Problem is Isiah Thomas and Marbury. Curry can be the problem too. BUT again who was the one to bring him in? ISIAH THOMAS....

metrocard · Dec 04, 2007, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Starks

It's all of them.

Years later, this team will go down in the history books as one the most obtuse rosters ever assembled in NBA, maybe even sports, history! Thomas and the Knicks are an icon of undisputed failure from top to bottom.

This is the worst possible team for every person on our roster to be on based on their overall game, defense, and leadership abilities. It's quite remarkable actually, when you think about how one GM can be so horrific about his job, and still be employed and get paid millions.

Only in America

Agreed 100%

Knicks4lyfe · Dec 05, 2007, 15:36

The defense gets broken down more so than not because of his lack of awareness and hustle. That is all defense is, awareness and hustle. Two things Im not sure Curry would ever be associated with on the defensive end. It's so bad, when he makes 1 decent defensive play in a game, they fine two columns in the paper to speak on it. Ewing did 7 times that a night on defense his whole career here, and we speak of him as an albatross because he did not have the personel to help bring a title here. If Ewing had these same players in his prime that Curry has, we'd be one of th ebest teams in basketball right now.

That is why I say it's mainly Curry's fault than anyone's.

And Isaiah is getting fired.

lanceroy · Dec 05, 2007, 20:30

Two main problems of Curry are his work ethic and lack of good coaching to develop his defensive skills. Patrick Ewing could have guided this guy. Now he's with Orlando turning Dwight Howard into a future MVP. Of course Curry's no MVP, but he seriously lacks right coaching, and I'm surprised Knicks management hasn't considered this a high priority for the past couple of years. We know he could score, as evidence last season when he would score 20+ points consecutively. This guy just doesn't exert as much effort playing defense and rebounding. After all these years, it's incredible actually. Anyway after all I've said I still think that major changes should start with the head coach. The players need a change of coaching atmosphere.

knickzrulezH20 · Jan 18, 2010, 19:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

It's all of them.

Years later, this team will go down in the history books as one the most obtuse rosters ever assembled in NBA, maybe even sports, history! Thomas and the Knicks are an icon of undisputed failure from top to bottom.

This is the worst possible team for every person on our roster to be on based on their overall game, defense, and leadership abilities. It's quite remarkable actually, when you think about how one GM can be so horrific about his job, and still be employed and get paid millions.

Only in America

2 years later, and this post still deserves some rep points lol. How true it is. And how joyful is it to know that Isiah Thomas has NOTHING to do with the Knicks.

knicklover · Dec 02, 2007, 15:21

Curry doesn't really need to lose weight. He needs to change his diet and start lifting weights. That will turn all that flab and fat into well defined muscle. If he would do that, he would increase his quickness on defense and offense, be even stronger, and maybe even jump a little better.

I do want to add one small thing in Curry's defense.

He's obviously not a "good" rebounder, but one of the reasons his rebounds are down is that Zach is such a good rebounder. There are only so many rebound attempts per game. So if you add one player that is especially good at it, he will take rebounds away from the other players. I think even Lee's rebounds per 48 minutes are down a bit- most likely for the same reason. When he's in with Randolph, Zach gets a few rebounds that Lee would have otherwise gotten and did get last year.

nixon7 · Dec 04, 2007, 09:31

Point taken that if he gained the muscle I want, his weight would not drop (might even increase). But we meant the same thing: lose the fat, increase the stamina and muscle. I don't want to trade Curry, I just want to have hime play off the bench until they can get him into a serious weights and aerobics training program, as well as serious coaching of defensive footwork.

In the interim, I would like to see Morris and Chandler getting serious minutes, as well as an increase in minutes for Lee and Balkman. I like that Jones is getting more court time, and hope that Collins, and even James, gets used when healthy.

I do not like the way Thomas juggles minutes, such as Nate's recent DNPs. Many similar teams (deep but not great starting five) have been successful with a scheme where 10-12 players gets 16-20 minutes a night, unless a particular player gets red-hot on a particular night. This allows players to stay healthy and all be in game shape. It also allows for more consistent defensive pressure because players have no excuse to "save" themselves for the fourth quarter.

I agree that Marbury and Thomas have the wrong approach. However, in terms of what the biggest problem on the court is right now, it is the lack of a shot-blocking interior help-defense and stopping the pick and roll. I believe that Morris and Chandler would be more effective defensively than Curry right now, and that Curry would be more effective getting spot offensive runs off the bench. When Curry is on the court, I would NOT feed him in the half-court post. I would force him to play run and gun for 15 minutes a game until he gets in real shape.

TR1LL10N · Dec 04, 2007, 09:39

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Originally Posted by knicklover

Curry doesn't really need to lose weight. He needs to change his diet and start lifting weights. That will turn all that flab and fat into well defined muscle. If he would do that, he would increase his quickness on defense and offense, be even stronger, and maybe even jump a little better.

I do want to add one small thing in Curry's defense.

He's obviously not a "good" rebounder, but one of the reasons his rebounds are down is that Zach is such a good rebounder. There are only so many rebound attempts per game. So if you add one player that is especially good at it, he will take rebounds away from the other players. I think even Lee's rebounds per 48 minutes are down a bit- most likely for the same reason. When he's in with Randolph, Zach gets a few rebounds that Lee would have otherwise gotten and did get last year.

If that were entirely true Q would not be rebounding like a beast. Fact of the matter is rebounding has more to do with effort and timing then jumping ability.

MSGKnickz33 · Dec 04, 2007, 10:19

Curry is built to dominate, more so then anyone else on the team but yet hes soft like a teddy bear. He is the biggest dissapointment in the entire league and hes the #1 problem with this team, with Crawford closely behind him.

nyKnicks126 · Dec 06, 2007, 13:20

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Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33

Curry is built to dominate, more so then anyone else on the team but yet hes soft like a teddy bear. He is the biggest dissapointment in the entire league and hes the #1 problem with this team, with Crawford closely behind him.

No you just dont see it. Crawford is a good player without your Marbury.... JC could shake and bake those old legs anytime... Eddy is a problem. JC is just a player that needs to be more consistent and not turn the ball over. Crawford barely takes open shots... Most are contested...

hometheaterguy · Dec 06, 2007, 15:25

First of all Isiah traded for Curry, gave up 2 lottery picks to get him, so Isiah is accountable for Curry's contribution (both negative and positive). How can you excuse Marbury when he didn't do a damn thing for the Knicks before Curry was here. Isiah has to shoulder the blame for the teams struggles and lack of success. I actually blame Isiah more than I blame the players!!! He keeps adding on to the roster more players whose games conflict with the existing players on the team. The GM is supposed to gauge the needs of the team. He is supposed to be able to evaluate the current talent and see where the wholes are and try to patch them. Isiah just makes moves to just make a move. There doesn't seem to be any type of science or intelligent thought process behind it.

thekidd13 · Dec 07, 2007, 10:38

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Originally Posted by nyKnicks126

No you just dont see it. Crawford is a good player without your Marbury.... JC could shake and bake those old legs anytime... Eddy is a problem. JC is just a player that needs to be more consistent and not turn the ball over. Crawford barely takes open shots... Most are contested...

Yea I agree with you. I mean Crawford is a good Solid NBA player. I mean I am pretty sure any team will be happy getting Crawford and he will probably start for like 80% of the teams in the NBA. The Curry situation i just don't know but Curry is a good center. He needs to get double teamed every time the ball means someones open right? Like Shaq he never knew how 2 pass the ball out intill they got him good coaches and now hes doing fine. Well hey at least he can pass the ball up. I don't think we need to let go of curry especially to the Sixers because if we do hey Eddy and the Sixers mite ruin our season and blow us out all the time. We need the right coaches in my eyes