Lebron might get his star player to play along side him

johnstarky · Jan 31, 2010, 17:31

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=24076

If this trade happens the Cavaliers will be getting a special little star player that could help them in the long run.They would be short-handed in the center position without Ilgauskas but if you're a Cavs fan you have to be doing cartwheels if Iggy ends up in Cleveland.

JayJ44 · Jan 31, 2010, 17:42

That wouldn't make any sense for the Sixers, at all. Why would they give up a young star in Iggy, for basically nothing? Ilgualskus and maybe Hickson for Iggy? That's ridiculously one-sided, Philly can get more than that.

johnstarky · Jan 31, 2010, 18:05

It's the annual star player give away that bad NBA teams do every year when they give their best players to contending teams.The Kevin Garnett give away 3 years ago and the Gasol give away two years ago are good examples of the rich getting richer.

ANU · Jan 31, 2010, 22:34

that would pretty much **** are 2010 plans.

DontForgetDerekHarper · Feb 01, 2010, 05:27

sorry not sold on this yet. Didnt he just sign a 6 year contract in 2008. And any matching salaries the cavs would use to trade for him would be expiring. Which would mean the Cavs would lose Shaq after this year, Big Z prob in a trade, and then Resign Lebron. Your team would be Verejo Hickson Lebron, Iggy, and Mo williams. Thats a decent squad but I wouldnt say that makes them any better than they are now, being that the hawks arent getting any worse, the Magic are going to continue to get better, and the east is continuing to improve. Iggy has been solid for a terrible sixers team, but he isnt an all star, and his impact in the east on a team like the cavs will be similar to the impact that Richard jefferson has had on the spurs in the west...not much. So this thread is titled "get his star" Im trying to remember a time where Iggy was even mentioned as a possible all star, or an all league player, or a top 10 something, or ever led his team to a post season series win. A star means "star" what it should say, is cavs look for back court help with trade for Iggy. Not "get his star" iggy is not even close to a star in this league.
I Can think of 24 better players right now, but I am not going to make a list for you, just watch the all star game.

TunerAddict · Feb 01, 2010, 08:20

Since when is Andre Igouldala a star player?

johnstarky · Feb 01, 2010, 17:17

I didn't say Iggy was a superstar.There is a difference between a star player and a superstar player.A superstar is one of few NBA elite players.A star is a player on a team who leads his team in scoring and in other offensive categories.Just because a player is never voted to an all-star team doesn't mean that he's not a star.It just means that the player isn't popular enough with fans or doesn't play on a team that's good enough to contend.I don't buy the idea that in order for a player to have star consideration that player has to carry his entire team towards a winning record whether he has a good supporting cast around him or whether he doesn't.It usually has more to do with the coach of that team when a certain team, that is mostly consisted of bad players, makes the playoffs.

Andre Iguodala has lead the Sixers in scoring a number of times, has averaged a decent number of assists every year, and was a major reason why his team made the playoffs twice in the last couple of years.I know the Sixers haven't been the same since the departure of Andre Miller but it isn't Iggy's fault that he has Louis Williams as his point guard, a past his prime Allen Iverson for a shooting guard, and Elton Brand who hasn't been the same player since he left the Clippers.Iguodala would be an upgrade to Delonte West if he gets traded to the Cavs.Sure the Cavs frontcourt would suffer this season without Ilgauskas but they could easily acquire a big man in the near future to replace him.

johnstarky · Feb 01, 2010, 18:21

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Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper

....the hawks arent getting any worse, the Magic are going to continue to get better, and the east is continuing to improve. Iggy has been solid for a terrible sixers team, but he isnt an all star, and his impact in the east on a team like the cavs will be similar to the impact that Richard jefferson has had on the spurs in the west...not much.

The Hawks could be losing their best player Joe Johnson to free agency this summer and until they knock off an elite team in the playoffs I'm not going to buy any of the hype that surrounds them, the Magic haven't gotten better this season after the loss of Turkoglu, and Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis will both be dinosaurs in a few years.I forgot to mention how four of the best players on the Boston Celtics are older than 31 years of age.Who in the East do you see improving other than the Charlotte Bobcats? The NBA East has been a crapshoot ever since the days of Michael Jordan's Bulls came to an end.When it seems like a team is going to be really dominant in the East for a long time they end up disappearing after a few stellar seasons.If I were Danny Ferry I'd take 3 solid players who are still in their 20's over any 3 players that the Magic,Hawks and Celtics have right now.

You can't compare Richard Jefferson's role with the Spurs to Iggy's possible future role with the Cavs.Jefferson is a 30 year old player whose best days are behind him.He is playing for a San Antonio Spurs team that has regressed and is no longer the dominant team that they once were.He also is the fourth scoring option on his team.Iguodala is a player who is still in his prime and if traded to the Cavs he will be playing for one of the best teams in the NBA.He would be the Cavs second scoring option.

knickzrulezH20 · Feb 01, 2010, 19:06

Iggy is not a first option of a winning team. He would be a very solid second option. But would Iggy and Bron Bron mesh? Both of them need the ball in their hands, and the offense run through them. But it can't hurt to try and shake things up. (Hopefully it would be a complete failure because I don't want to see the ****ings Cavs win the trophy)

DontForgetDerekHarper · Feb 01, 2010, 19:16

all im saying is iggy has had many years to polish his game, and he actually declined this year with even more touches. Therefore, I can compare him to richard jefferson because Iggy is as good as he is going to get. I do not see him putting up more than 13-4-4 numbers in a cavs jersey sharing the rock with mo will, and lebron. Which basically says what is the point of the CAVS taking on his bloated 12 million dollars a year. They would only do it if they had an inkling that Lebron isnt staying and they would need someone decent to play for them next season.

johnstarky · Feb 01, 2010, 20:05

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Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20

Iggy is not a first option of a winning team. He would be a very solid second option. But would Iggy and Bron Bron mesh? Both of them need the ball in their hands, and the offense run through them. But it can't hurt to try and shake things up. (Hopefully it would be a complete failure because I don't want to see the ****ings Cavs win the trophy)

Could you explain to me how a player who offensively led a team that made the playoffs two times isn't a first option on a winning team? Iggy was able to mesh with Andre Miller, why can't he mesh with Lebron James? Are you saying that Lebron can't have another player on his team that demands the ball a lot? If that is the case then there isn't really any good reason to pair Lebron James with another elite player in the future.None of us want to see the Cavs get better but let's at least try to look at things objectively here.

johnstarky · Feb 01, 2010, 20:22

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Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper

all im saying is iggy has had many years to polish his game, and he actually declined this year with even more touches. Therefore, I can compare him to richard jefferson because Iggy is as good as he is going to get. I do not see him putting up more than 13-4-4 numbers in a cavs jersey sharing the rock with mo will, and lebron. Which basically says what is the point of the CAVS taking on his bloated 12 million dollars a year. They would only do it if they had an inkling that Lebron isnt staying and they would need someone decent to play for them next season.

He might be having an off year this season but that might be due to his team not having a good point guard.Don't you believe that his point percentage would improve if he had Lebron James distributing him the ball? Why can't Mo Williams become the Cavs third option while Iguodala is their second option? I think having Lebron and Iggy on the Cavs for the next few years is better than the Cavs having Lebron and Ilgauskas for the next few years.

knickzrulezH20 · Feb 01, 2010, 22:14

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Originally Posted by johnstarky

Could you explain to me how a player who offensively led a team that made the playoffs two times isn't a first option on a winning team? Iggy was able to mesh with Andre Miller, why can't he mesh with Lebron James? Are you saying that Lebron can't have another player on his team that demands the ball a lot? If that is the case then there isn't really any good reason to pair Lebron James with another elite player in the future.None of us want to see the Cavs get better but let's at least try to look at things objectively here.

Oh plz, those Sixers teams were one-and-done teams from the start. I don't consider that success. And iono if Dala and James would work, just my personal opinion. If I was a Cavs fan, Iggy would be the best option for the long term, but Jamison would be the best fit short term. Just my personol opiinion.

DontForgetDerekHarper · Feb 01, 2010, 23:01

hahaha iggy was able to mesh with andre miller, am I believing the nonsense I hear from posters on this site. This is ridiculous to the enth degree. Yeah of course iggy meshed well with miller, miller is one of the top 5 pure now emphasize pure point guards in the league in terms of his main goal is to make the players around him better. That means nothing for iggy in terms of his ability to play second fiddle and improve a team. Or that iggy is a star caliber player in todays league, I equate him to a corey mcgette or ronny brewer type, athletic can play some defense, but never the less when you boil it all down the dude is an under achiever who is not not, never was and never will be a legitimate star in this league. I mean seriously where are our knicks fans on this site.

I see nets fans

cavs fans

philly fans.

its like you want to argue nonsense just to make the situation look worse than it is if the cavs get iggy, he is not a championship cornerstone, the cavs have the best record in the league and have owned the lakers with out iggy, and you act as if he will be the reason lebron stays haha. If lebron stays its because he wants to stay in CLV, not because AI 2 is putting up 13 ppg along side him.

johnstarky · Feb 01, 2010, 23:19

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Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20

Oh plz, those Sixers teams were one-and-done teams from the start. I don't consider that success. And iono if Dala and James would work, just my personal opinion. If I was a Cavs fan, Iggy would be the best option for the long term, but Jamison would be the best fit short term. Just my personol opiinion.

Those Sixer teams were one-and-done teams because they didn't have as much talent as the Piston and Magic teams that eliminated them.Their inability to advance past the first round had nothing to do with Andre Iguodala being incompetent in a seven game series.If you combine his ppg from the last two playoff series that he played in he averaged about 18.3 points.

Antwan Jamison would be a good addition to the Cavs but don't the Wizards and Cavs dislike eachother? I don't know what Ernie Grunfield's relationship with Danny Ferry is like but would one team want to help it's rival win a championship? The only Cavs player that I see Washington coveting is Ilgauskas because of his expiring contract.But even if they were to get rid of Jamison's salary they still would have Gilbert Arenas's extravagant contract to worry about.