Carmelo Anthony, Knicks Have Deeper Problems Than Triangle

[Kiyaman]

NBA Notes: Carmelo Anthony, Knicks Have Deeper Problems Than Triangle
By Ben Watanabe on Tue, Nov 11, 2014

Carmelo Anthony desperately needs a new milliner, but not nearly as desperately as he needs a coach who can put together a real offense.

Monday?s 91-85 loss to the Atlanta Hawks was a microcosm of the New York Knicks? problems:
The more Anthony gets his, the less likely it seems the Knicks are to win.

It?s even led to Knicks president Phil Jackson getting into a little tiff with NBA commissioner Adam Silver, who made the rather innocent (and highly accurate) observation that the Knicks might be ?still learning? Jackson?s triangle offense.

?I wasn?t so humored by the commissioner actually jumping in on top of that, too,? Jackson told reporters, via the New York Daily News. ?He doesn?t need to get in to that. There?s enough focus on the triangle. It?s not anything. It?s a system. It?s simple basketball.?

?Simple basketball? has produced a 2-6 record and the league?s worst per-game scoring offense. Anthony?s own scoring is down to 20.3 points per game, but the criticism directed at him hasn?t tapered off. The book on him in his 12th NBA season has been written ? that he gets points, not wins.

Let?s not forget that Anthony was once pretty good at one time, under a Hall of Fame-worthy coach in George Karl who challenged the star to do more than score. There was even the long-forgotten hot take, from when Anthony led the Denver Nuggets into the playoffs as a rookie, that Anthony was the winner, and LeBron James was the stat-stuffing loser. When he?s engaged, Anthony is an excellent rebounder for his position, and he can be an efficient scorer when he?s not playing 1-on-5.

Thus far, though, coach Derek Fisher hasn?t shown much reason to inspire confidence that he can make any of those things happen.

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Melo is a scoring star .. not a super-star.

AI were a Super-Star, he lead Philly and Melo into having 50 win seasons.
Billups were a Super-Star, he lead Detroit and Melo into having a 50 win season.
Kidd were a Super-Star, he had plenty 50 win season in his career.

Allan Houston was a super-star to (only) James Dolan
Melo is a super-star to (only) James Dolan

 

[Kiyaman]

New York Knicks Lose 5th Straight Game, Get Dropped at Home by Atlanta Hawks 91-85

The last season 37-45 Melo-Knicks are off to a 5 game losing-streak to start the new 2014-15 season off.

Such a harsh statement for the Knicks $124M contract player who did not gather his teammates together to rally-up to beat a 2-3 Hawks team that beat them 2 days ago. If it were a 3 game series the Hawks swept the Knicks.
The $124M player played 42 minute in the Melo-Knicks 5th straight loss, being in every lineup for 48 minute, shooting 11-25 shots that fell short of a Melo-Knicks win.

 

[htr10]

To be fair, last night's game is one heck of a time to point fingers at Melo. He came 1 rebound and 3 assists short of a triple double and did manage to shoot 44% from the floor despite not really getting any calls all night and without anyone other than Shump really doing anything offensively to draw attention away from him. I want to see a lot more before I draw any real conclusions about the future of Melo/Fisher together under PJ in NY. This may end up being a lost year as the weeks go along, but we're back to playing the long game after last year's mess.

 

[tiger0330]

Kiya - This blogger is more taking a shot at Coach Fisher more than Melo. Melo's numbers are down across the board and other than last night when he had a decent game but didn't win, the Knicks have won when he has played well and lost when he has not, not that he scored 35 pts but the Knicks still lost.

I do agree that they need to do something with the way the Knicks are running this triangle offense. The results show that, too many mid-range jumpers, not enough points in the paint, FTs or 3 pt shots resulting in a 92ppg league low average ppg. Knicks fans can hope that Calderon's return changes that but I think it's intrinsic in the (triangle) system that you get these kind of results.

 

[paris401]

if the triangle is the $hit, why ain't all the teams using it... don't think Miami was using it, is 'bron using it up north??... the spurs don't use it, and they have had a wee bit of success.. okc/bulls.. why aren't they using it??? just asking...

 

[htr10]

if the triangle is the $hit, why ain't all the teams using it... don't think Miami was using it, is 'bron using it up north??... the spurs don't use it, and they have had a wee bit of success.. okc/bulls.. why aren't they using it??? just asking...

Whenever PJ is asked about it, he literally says that everyone makes too big a deal about it and it's just another system. Multiple different systems are used in the NBA, the triangle is just the one that a Phil Jackson team is going to use because that is his specialty. PJ has never said that it is better than any other system. In fact, he has said repeatedly that it doesn't matter what system you use and that your guys just need to go out and play. That said, it is better to have a system to guide what players you pursue than to do what we have done for years, which is have a coach and a roster that are completely contrary to each other (minus the first half season of the D'Antoni era).

 

[Kiyaman]

Kiya - This blogger is more taking a shot at Coach Fisher more than Melo. Melo's numbers are down across the board and other than last night when he had a decent game but didn't win, the Knicks have won when he has played well and lost when he has not, not that he scored 35 pts but the Knicks still lost.

I do agree that they need to do something with the way the Knicks are running this triangle offense. The results show that, too many mid-range jumpers, not enough points in the paint, FTs or 3 pt shots resulting in a 92ppg league low average ppg. Knicks fans can hope that Calderon's return changes that but I think it's intrinsic in the (triangle) system that you get these kind of results.

DEFENSE makes the best offense!

Phil Jackson fired the Knicks entire coaching-staff who never coach team-defense for several seasons.
The new coaching-staff Phil hired don't coach team-defense either.
The Knicks showed no set defense position to defend any of their opponents in pre-season or regular season games.
The Knicks poor team-defense are the reason the Knicks has a 2-7 record.

The Knicks coach JVG always had a low scoring Knicks team.
JVG coach team-defense to the highest level however, JVG was a poor offensive coach.
But with coach JVG, if the Knicks didn't score on offense, then the Knicks opponents didn't score on offense either.
Calderon could probably add 5 to 10 more points to the Knicks team scoring by raising the team assist, and lower the turn over ratio.
But will Calderon be any help at stopping opponents scoring? Calderon career says no.

 

[Kiyaman]

if the triangle is the $hit, why ain't all the teams using it... don't think Miami was using it, is 'bron using it up north??... the spurs don't use it, and they have had a wee bit of success.. okc/bulls.. why aren't they using it??? just asking...

Every NBA team that plays by a system, uses several different systems throughout a game for the win or loss.
If a team has 3 multiple-position players in their starter lineup, like the 2 teams in the Finals the past 2 years, those teams has the ability to switch to different types of systems at every substitution.

Phil Jackson stayed with the triangle-system because he had creative-athletes in his rotation that added something new to the triangle-system during any game ....
MJ, Pippen, Paxion, Harper, Rodman, Kobe, Shaq, Horry, Odom, Gasol.