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Crazy⑧s
Dec 13, 2011, 09:31
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The Miami cHeat turned the basketball world on its head with their cavorting public appearance prior to last season, after signing Bosh and LeBron James in the off-season to add to their current superstar, Dwayne Wade.

Here's a nauseating reminder of the goings on:


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Now, with the acquisitions - in order - of STAT, Melo and Tyson Chandler, the Knicks have adhered to Miami's blueprint for success: hedging their bets on 3 individuals, and paying top dollar to do so.

The Heat have already been voted on RealGm.com, as heavy favorites to take home Larry O'brien this year, and no doubt are touted by many in the know as the team to beat this season. Before they attempt to garner the NBA's one common goal, they'll have to take care of their Eastern conference counterparts.


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The Chicago Bulls can lay claim to Eastern supremacy, as well. After an amazing season behind MVP, Derrick Rose, and an ECF loss to Miami, the Bulls will be ready. They are one or two good trades away from being a powerhouse in every sense of the word.

Here's a look back at the season that was, and the anticipation for the season to be for the Chicago Bulls.


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The Orlando Magic http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/orl_40.gif

After losing in an upset in 6 games to the Hawks last season, the Magic seem poised to do, well, not a lot. After using amnesty on Arenas and re-signing J-Rich and trading Bass for Big Baby Davis, the Magic still are in need of system tweaks.

Regardless of this blaring fact, they still have D12, and will remain in the East's elite because of it. Looks very much like they'll be keeping him on board at least for this season, too.

Having the league's best center and 3 times and counting DPOY is a big +, but Orlando, after a myriad of poor signings and bad contracts, have little to trade for, and not a lot of room to add to their mediocre supporting cast.

Boston Celdics. http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/bos_40.gif

They're old, haggard and irritating beyond recall, but the Celts with their veteran big 3 and Rondo will still be lingering around spots 4 and 5. I have nothing else to say about them except this: Rondo is their glue. They dangled him in front of the league for CP3, but, as is the standard with the NBA, they declined on post CBA principal. Will that rattle Rondo's cage? If it does, look for an implosion in Boston.

I ****ing HATE the Celtics. A plague on them all.

Atlanta Hawks http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/atl_40.gif

Perennial contenders for a second round exit, the Hawks have seen better days: Crawford is out, Josh Smith still voicing his desire to be traded, Joe Johnson's ridiculous contract. They have signed T Mac, though, and will again be amongst the top 8.

I really don't expect much from Atlanta this year. Bar the influence of an outbreak by Al Horford, the Hawks will begin their descent in to the lower end of the top 9 teams this year, IMO.


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SO LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS, GENTS.


I would love to know what people on here are thinking about the East, as the distance between seeds 1-4 and 5-8 are so immense, what will become of the Knicks?

Let's keep our counterparts under UAV surveillance: trades, trends, stats, injuries, news and so forth - bring it here and we'll keep a watchful eye on opponent teams in the scramble for best seeding come playoff time. This hectic schedule will be jam packed with highs and lows for every team, and will make for interesting analysis.

☆ If it's alright with everyone, I'd like to keep an eye on our Eastern rivals in this thread, and keep up to date with the conference as so many games this year will be against conference foes.

iSaYughh
Dec 13, 2011, 10:47
Hotdamn this is a sick thread! :thup:

Random response:

MIA's WWE-style celebration clip makes me want to beat them almost as bad as the Celtics.

I see the Bostonion Cripples and Magic below us at this point moving forward.

In theory, the Bulls should keep improving based off their cap, age, and how poor Boozer was last year. But, while blasphemy, I'm not completely sold that D-Rose will be better this year at all, and I actually am sorta expecting a drop-off.

Style wise....Knicks vs Bulls would produce a playoff classic.

MIA, sadly, is a clear favorite and has the potential to be too ruthless; though, I believe our players and SSOL potential could produce an upset even if MIA is clicking.

But MIA having Miller/Haslem healthy, plus Battier and whomever else they may sign for PG help is going to be absolutely ferocious.

TR1LL10N
Dec 13, 2011, 10:53
With the acquisition of Tyson I think that moves us up to 3rd in the East just behind the Bulls. If we can solidify our backcourt with another veteran, Fields progresses or a player like Iman overachieves we can surpass them and possibly the Heat.

I only give the edge to the Bulls because they have played together for a whole year, have an MVP and a great coach but on paper I like where our roster is and where it's going. 1999 part duex and beyond!

LJ4ptplay
Dec 13, 2011, 13:49
With the acquisition of Tyson I think that moves us up to 3rd in the East just behind the Bulls. If we can solidify our backcourt with another veteran, Fields progresses or a player like Iman overachieves we can surpass them and possibly the Heat.

I only give the edge to the Bulls because they have played together for a whole year, have an MVP and a great coach but on paper I like where our roster is and where it's going. 1999 part duex and beyond!

Agreed. 3rd or 4th in the east. We have the most dominant front court in the NBA and I think Douglas is fine as our starting PG. Fields style of play (1st half of last season) is good enough. We don't need a lights out player at SG. If he continues to do the little things (hustle plays, rebound, etc.) and can hit the 3 consistently, then we're fine at SG.

The only reason I say possibly 4th in the east is our bench (currently) is quite possibly the worst in the NBA. Bibby, Jeffries, Walker and Shumpert are not going to cut it. We need depth to push us to the top. Hopefully we can sign Shawne Williams and another bench player soon.

KingCharles34
Dec 13, 2011, 18:14
Great Thread, I think Trillions post was on point

Miami...I think they're the best team, the addition of Battier will help them alot

Bulls...Tough team right here. Rose can rape anybody and if they add a shooting guard like Rip Hamilton they'll be even tougher

Magic...Not as good as us :lol:

Celtics...Old and washed up :lol:

Hawks...http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217471/Josh_Smith_Transformed_Emotionally_Loses_25_Pounds _Physically
Thats a good look for them but they still aint ****in wit us

carlhil2
Dec 13, 2011, 18:51
Did you guys NOT see the Knicks photo, we have DOLAN running the point, we have the 3 seed locked down!:afro:[just kidding, we will battle for the 2-3 seed!]

Crazy⑧s
Dec 13, 2011, 18:56
Thanks for replying fellas. Good to see the big guns have swooped in early.:smoking:

So it looks like we've all come to terms with the cHeat being poised for dominance. They are literally one front-court piece away from being filthy good. Did anyone catch that they'd signed Eddy Curry? Fat turd :lol:

Gotta agree with this post:


Agreed. 3rd or 4th in the east. We have the most dominant front court in the NBA and I think Douglas is fine as our starting PG. Fields style of play (1st half of last season) is good enough. We don't need a lights out player at SG. If he continues to do the little things (hustle plays, rebound, etc.) and can hit the 3 consistently, then we're fine at SG.

The only reason I say possibly 4th in the east is our bench (currently) is quite possibly the worst in the NBA. Bibby, Jeffries, Walker and Shumpert are not going to cut it. We need depth to push us to the top. Hopefully we can sign Shawne Williams and another bench player soon.

Our bench is a concern. I seriously doubt Shawne Williams will return after we scrooged him with $980K, and we're relying on rookies as role players on a D'Antoni team.

I don't know how that's going to pan out.:crossfingers:

3rd seed is an absolute likelihood, but we'll need to find continuity quickly, and with enough assuredness to be clicking at the right times, and not fall in to those system slumps, as I like to call them, in which a good defensive team is stifling our spacing and we revert to isolation plays.

We're poised to make some noise, that is for sure.

- A lot relies on Douglas and Fields, IMO. We'll need effort and efficiency from those 2 young bloods. I'm backing my man, Landry Fields, to bring it this year.

- Our back up centers will have to learn quickly from TC. Jorts has been talking his face off all off-season, and seems to have established some kind of common opinion that he's the next Laimbeer. :roll eyes: Jordan, I've no doubt, will outplay Jorts and have him handing out gatorades by the end of week one.

- I doubt Bibby will be doing much at all.

- Shumpert is the dark horse. If he's as good as he seems, our second unit will be that much better off.

Bibby
Shump
Walker
Jefferies
Jordan

Big question marks here are: what will the second unit bring? Will we actually play a full second unit for the first time in 3 years with any consistency?

fender0577
Dec 13, 2011, 19:37
3 or 4 seems about right, but i think we can take the bulls or heat in the playoffs.The bulls can't score, and until the "Frozen One" proves he isn't distracted by his moms, or girl friend getting smashed by everyone, I think we'll be fine.

Red
Dec 13, 2011, 20:01
Big question marks here are: 1. what will the second unit bring? 2. Will we actually play a full second unit for the first time in 3 years with any consistency?

1. MOA's 2nd unit consists of a shooter/chucker, a one dimensional/guard multiple position tall guy, and... well that's basically it. Everyone else gets spot duty til' they prove otherwise.

2. No, don't be ridiculous. About a normal 7 guys will rotate and consume most of the minutes, unless of course it's a blowout.

What happened to the Pacers?

Nice thread.

With MIA and CHI being the top defensive teams (BOS not far behind), we need this to happen if were going to contend.


1. The additions of Chandler, defensive rookie Shumpert, and assistant coach Woodson, must lead to a COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION OF KNICK DEFENSE.

1A. Through the incorporation of every player and coach, we must achieve the same if not better offensive results we did last year.

Simple. :gony:

KingCharles34
Dec 13, 2011, 20:01
3 or 4 seems about right, but i think we can take the bulls or heat in the playoffs.The bulls can't score, and until the "Frozen One" proves he isn't distracted by his moms, or girl friend getting smashed by everyone, I think we'll be fine.

Been watchin ESPN First Take? :lol:

This had me dying the other day

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Red
Dec 13, 2011, 20:21
Been watchin ESPN First Take? :lol:

This had me dying the other day

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WOW!

Let me guess...

everyone is thinking, "calm down" Stephen A.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 13, 2011, 21:06
2. No, don't be ridiculous. About a normal 7 guys will rotate and consume most of the minutes, unless of course it's a blowout.

What happened to the Pacers?

Nice thread.

With MIA and CHI being the top defensive teams (BOS not far behind), we need this to happen if were going to contend.
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1A. Through the incorporation of every player and coach, we must achieve the same if not better offensive results we did last year.

Simple. :gony:

Playing a second unit was wishful thinking, not that we boast a good one, on my behalf.

I was going to incorporate the Pacers in the thread, maybe even the Bucks: Bogut needs to be on form for that to happen - Stephen Jax was a good pick up. The Pacers have done exceedingly well for themselves this off-season, probably better than any other team. Did they manage to get Mayo? I saw that the Lakers picked up McRoberts on the MMLE.

[SIZE="4"]Our offense is going to be very, very intriguing this year.

TC runs a very solid P&R game, so the onus is on Douglas to reciprocate there. Will Melo and Chandler play a 2 man game off the pick? I'd like to see that. Melo is a better passer than he's given credit for, and there are not many players in the league that can bully their way through to the paint like he can off the dribble, especially if he's provided the opportunity.

If this happens, I would expect Melo to lead the league in scoring, or at least be close: 28-29PPG.

IMO, STAT is a bit of a question mark. He'll no doubt get the ball on the 45 where he does most of his damage from, but where will that leave the other 4 players - 3 if you exclude Chandler? Tyson has no offense - not that he need be a threat with Amar'e and Melo on the block and 45, but he has good hands and attacks the rim - hard. He can get his points off a 2 man game, as I say, but I don't see that being a focal in D'Antoni's motion sets. We'll see.

Questions, questions, questions, questions.

smokes
Dec 13, 2011, 23:03
Nene just re-signed with the Nuggets. This is important for a couple of reasons mainly because the Nets were chasing him hard. So now they don't have a star C and they really don't have a lot to offer for Dwight Howard. Hopefully this means NJ will stay irrelevant for at least the next year or two so we're not competing with them in Brooklyn.

KingCharles34
Dec 13, 2011, 23:17
If Derin Williams leaves the Nets that russian dude takes a Big L (no pun) (RIP)

SSj4Wingzero
Dec 14, 2011, 00:44
If the Nets had gotten Nene they would have been all but out on the D12 sweepstakes. No way Orlando is taking back Nene's contract, and I think signing Nene uses up all of NJ's cap space.

It looks like D12 is going to the Lakers after all.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 14, 2011, 08:26
It's beginning to look like I'll have to replace the Magic with the Nets.


1999 part duex and beyond!

I would +1 that **** if I could, but according to Big Brother, I've overdone it with your posts. :smokin:

Crazy⑧s
Dec 14, 2011, 08:28
Hotdamn this is a sick thread! :thup:

Random response:

MIA's WWE-style celebration clip makes me want to beat them almost as bad as the Celtics.



Almost. I hate the Celtics more than broccoli.

Red
Dec 14, 2011, 08:36
Playing a second unit was wishful thinking, not that we boast a good one, on my behalf.

I was going to incorporate the Pacers in the thread, maybe even the Bucks: Bogut needs to be on form for that to happen - Stephen Jax was a good pick up. The Pacers have done exceedingly well for themselves this off-season, probably better than any other team. Did they manage to get Mayo? I saw that the Lakers picked up McRoberts on the MMLE.

Our offense is going to be very, very intriguing this year.

TC runs a very solid P&R game, so the onus is on Douglas to reciprocate there. Will Melo and Chandler play a 2 man game off the pick? I'd like to see that. Melo is a better passer than he's given credit for, and there are not many players in the league that can bully their way through to the paint like he can off the dribble, especially if he's provided the opportunity.

If this happens, I would expect Melo to lead the league in scoring, or at least be close: 28-29PPG.

IMO, STAT is a bit of a question mark. He'll no doubt get the ball on the 45 where he does most of his damage from, but where will that leave the other 4 players - 3 if you exclude Chandler? Tyson has no offense - not that he need be a threat with Amar'e and Melo on the block and 45, but he has good hands and attacks the rim - hard. He can get his points off a 2 man game, as I say, but I don't see that being a focal in D'Antoni's motion sets. We'll see.

Questions, questions, questions, questions.

With Douglas running the point, in order to accentuate his strengths (3pt shooting) I see...

Melo bringing the ball up, or getting the ball quickly:

Spread P&R offense...

Melo and Stat running the P&R, Fields & TD posted on the corners or outside for the kick-out, TC roaming the lane for the dump-off, alley-oop, and put backs.

This is the most basic version of our offense and all that will mostly change is who is involved in the P&R, from where on the floor, who's spotting up for shots.

Every starter we have can do this- some better than others.

Melo gets the ball, Stat sets the pick, Melo pulls up... and scores!

Melo gets the ball top of the key, gives off to Douglas, Melo cuts to the basket, Douglas comes off the screen set by Chandler, throws the lob, slam Stat!

The options are endless. What can't we do?

P&R
P&P
Swing out for the 3
Stop & Pop
Driving to the hoop
Alley-oop
Put Backs

I mean it's literally going to be pick your poison. We achieved this last year, with worse players, in limited time.

Imagine.

All we really should be looking for is the ability to consistently LOCK DOWN on defense. If we can do this...

Seriously this time.... we will be a problem! No one will want to see us come playoff time.

knicksin60
Dec 14, 2011, 08:38
As much as I hate to say this I think the Celtics still have a lot left in their tank despite the ages of their big three.If guys like Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Kurt Thomas could play at a high level even though they're approaching forty the Celtics big three will most likely not show any signs of breaking down.The only way I see the Knicks finishing the season ahead of them is if they finish in the top 10 in defense.

InGodsHands
Dec 14, 2011, 09:21
As much as I hate to say this I think the Celtics still have a lot left in their tank despite the ages of their big three.If guys like Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Kurt Thomas could play at a high level even though they're approaching forty the Celtics big three will most likely not show any signs of breaking down.The only way I see the Knicks finishing the season ahead of them is if they finish in the top 10 in defense.

yep I wouldnt count out Celtics either. They are the best defensive team in NBA after all. They will be fine. I think we will battle with Hawks and Magic for 4th seed. Pacers and Sixers should improve too. It will be a tough, tough season.

KingCharles34
Dec 14, 2011, 13:17
As much as I hate to say this I think the Celtics still have a lot left in their tank despite the ages of their big three.If guys like Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Kurt Thomas could play at a high level even though they're approaching forty the Celtics big three will most likely not show any signs of breaking down.The only way I see the Knicks finishing the season ahead of them is if they finish in the top 10 in defense.

I have 10+ reasons why i think we're better then Boston


Doc said those guys weren't in the best of shape
Stoudemire was sh*ttin on KG before he got hurt in the playoffs last year
Celtics have complained about the short free agency/training camp more then any other team
Grant Hill and Kurt Thomas didnt come out of high school (KG)
Grant Hill saved himself a few years with all the ankle injuries
Kurt Thomas didnt log nearly as many minutes as any Big 3 member
Garnett will be 36 in May
Garnett averaged 15pts and 9rbs last year, hard to imagine him doing the same this year
They have very little offense coming from PF and C
Ray Allen is 36, has to slow down at some point
Pierce with his strong build is bound to slow down, i bet he lost a step over the summer


I just dont see them being better then us unless Rondo developed a jumpshot over the summer and learned how to shoot free throws too

Crazy⑧s
Dec 14, 2011, 20:26
With Douglas running the point, in order to accentuate his strengths (3pt shooting) I see...

Melo bringing the ball up, or getting the ball quickly:

Spread P&R offense...

Melo and Stat running the P&R, Fields & TD posted on the corners or outside for the kick-out, TC roaming the lane for the dump-off, alley-oop, and put backs.

This is the most basic version of our offense and all that will mostly change is who is involved in the P&R, from where on the floor, who's spotting up for shots.

Every starter we have can do this- some better than others.

Melo gets the ball, Stat sets the pick, Melo pulls up... and scores!

Melo gets the ball top of the key, gives off to Douglas, Melo cuts to the basket, Douglas comes off the screen set by Chandler, throws the lob, slam Stat!

The options are endless. What can't we do?

P&R
P&P
Swing out for the 3
Stop & Pop
Driving to the hoop
Alley-oop
Put Backs

I mean it's literally going to be pick your poison. We achieved this last year, with worse players, in limited time.

Imagine.

All we really should be looking for is the ability to consistently LOCK DOWN on defense. If we can do this...

Seriously this time.... we will be a problem! No one will want to see us come playoff time.

I can see how my post was a bit rhetorical, I'm more so eluding to an interior game. Last season, we often fell in to a predictable motion. I want to see us post STAT @ 45 and Melo on the block and incorporate a 2 man game from their favored positions.

You're right though, defense will be what unleashes our beast mode, and that starts and ends with our stars - buying in - as the new saying goes. Fields will have to step it up. Guarantee that if he doesn't, Shump, who already appears to have more offensive fluidity, could take the starting reigns.

Offense = minutes in NYC.

SSj4Wingzero
Dec 14, 2011, 20:29
I have 10+ reasons why i think we're better then Boston

Doc said those guys weren't in the best of shape
Stoudemire was sh*ttin on KG before he got hurt in the playoffs last year
Celtics have complained about the short free agency/training camp more then any other team
Grant Hill and Kurt Thomas didnt come out of high school (KG)
Grant Hill saved himself a few years with all the ankle injuries
Kurt Thomas didnt log nearly as many minutes as any Big 3 member
Garnett will be 36 in May
Garnett averaged 15pts and 9rbs last year, hard to imagine him doing the same this year
They have very little offense coming from PF and C
Ray Allen is 36, has to slow down at some point
Pierce with his strong build is bound to slow down, i bet he lost a step over the summer
I just dont see them being better then us unless Rondo developed a jumpshot over the summer and learned how to shoot free throws too

You forgot one - what about the fact that we have back-to-back-to-back games in the shortened season? That's going to kill a lot of guys as it is, but the Celtics are going to get overwhelmed since they need crutches

MusketeerX
Dec 14, 2011, 23:55
Doc is not stupid. He will do just enough to make the play-offs then rest his guys. Who did the exact opposite??? Oh, yes. D'antoni. He ran Amar'e, Felton, and the team rampant.

If Nets get Howard, they will be a force. I would be upset if that happened. I would imagine that is how Lakers fans are feeling right now.

SSj4Wingzero
Dec 15, 2011, 00:24
Doc is not stupid. He will do just enough to make the play-offs then rest his guys. Who did the exact opposite??? Oh, yes. D'antoni. He ran Amar'e, Felton, and the team rampant.

If Nets get Howard, they will be a force. I would be upset if that happened. I would imagine that is how Lakers fans are feeling right now.

You can't compare us. We were a borderline 7/8 seed that was a week-long losing streak away from missing the playoffs for most of the season. We needed to play hard given our team's propensity for losing when it, you know, seriously matters.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 20, 2011, 08:32
- Preseason game or no, the Heat demoralized the Magic yesterday.

- Jermaine O'neal (Celdics) is apparently in the best shape he's been in for a while, after having the lockout to recuperate.

☆ Completely irrelevant as far as the thread goes, but did anyone see this absolute nuke of a dunk in LA?

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Weissenberg
Dec 20, 2011, 08:40
Lakers were knocked out in the third quarter already. They looked totally out of shape, maybe they're playing swindle, don't know, but they looked poor last night. No motivation, no shape, no teamwrok, no defense, nothing. If they keep playing hoops like this we're gonna serve them a blowout on 12/29.

iSaYughh
Dec 20, 2011, 09:38
You can't compare us. We were a borderline 7/8 seed that was a week-long losing streak away from missing the playoffs for most of the season. We needed to play hard given our team's propensity for losing when it, you know, seriously matters.

:aplause:

Nobody was complaining when we found ourselves a playoff'bound team and Amare was lighting up the Garden and this franchise into relevance like we hadn't been in a decade.

Let's not re-write history to keep dogging Coach D.

There will be plenty of decisive critique or compliment by the time this season plays itself out.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 20, 2011, 20:27
:aplause:

Nobody was complaining when we found ourselves a playoff'bound team and Amare was lighting up the Garden and this franchise into relevance like we hadn't been in a decade.

Let's not re-write history to keep dogging Coach D.

There will be plenty of decisive critique or compliment by the time this season plays itself out.

A good point, sir!! I've decided to lay off MD this year.

He has a potent team that will make him look good. I think, however, that he'll have a personal challenge in front of him this year, because he's been given a roster that is stipulated by management, not by his system's whim.

Can a leopard change its spots if it has a gun to its head?

It'll be one of the more intriguing things to analyze as a Knick fan this year.

DrB
Dec 22, 2011, 15:41
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The Miami cHeat turned the basketball world on its head with their cavorting public appearance prior to last season, after signing Bosh and LeBron James in the off-season to add to their current superstar, Dwayne Wade.

Here's a nauseating reminder of the goings on:


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Now, with the acquisitions - in order - of STAT, Melo and Tyson Chandler, the Knicks have adhered to Miami's blueprint for success: hedging their bets on 3 individuals, and paying top dollar to do so.

The Heat have already been voted on RealGm.com, as heavy favorites to take home Larry O'brien this year, and no doubt are touted by many in the know as the team to beat this season. Before they attempt to garner the NBA's one common goal, they'll have to take care of their Eastern conference counterparts.


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The Chicago Bulls can lay claim to Eastern supremacy, as well. After an amazing season behind MVP, Derrick Rose, and an ECF loss to Miami, the Bulls will be ready. They are one or two good trades away from being a powerhouse in every sense of the word.

Here's a look back at the season that was, and the anticipation for the season to be for the Chicago Bulls.


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The Orlando Magic http://basketball.realgm.com/images/basketball/5.0/team_logos/nba/orl_40.gif

After losing in an upset in 6 games to the Hawks last season, the Magic seem poised to do, well, not a lot. After using amnesty on Arenas and re-signing J-Rich and trading Bass for Big Baby Davis, the Magic still are in need of system tweaks.

Regardless of this blaring fact, they still have D12, and will remain in the East's elite because of it. Looks very much like they'll be keeping him on board at least for this season, too.

Having the league's best center and 3 times and counting DPOY is a big +, but Orlando, after a myriad of poor signings and bad contracts, have little to trade for, and not a lot of room to add to their mediocre supporting cast.

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They're old, haggard and irritating beyond recall, but the Celts with their veteran big 3 and Rondo will still be lingering around spots 4 and 5. I have nothing else to say about them except this: Rondo is their glue. They dangled him in front of the league for CP3, but, as is the standard with the NBA, they declined on post CBA principal. Will that rattle Rondo's cage? If it does, look for an implosion in Boston.

I ****ing HATE the Celtics. A plague on them all.

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Perennial contenders for a second round exit, the Hawks have seen better days: Crawford is out, Josh Smith still voicing his desire to be traded, Joe Johnson's ridiculous contract. They have signed T Mac, though, and will again be amongst the top 8.

I really don't expect much from Atlanta this year. Bar the influence of an outbreak by Al Horford, the Hawks will begin their descent in to the lower end of the top 9 teams this year, IMO.


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SO LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS, GENTS.


I would love to know what people on here are thinking about the East, as the distance between seeds 1-4 and 5-8 are so immense, what will become of the Knicks?

Let's keep our counterparts under UAV surveillance: trades, trends, stats, injuries, news and so forth - bring it here and we'll keep a watchful eye on opponent teams in the scramble for best seeding come playoff time. This hectic schedule will be jam packed with highs and lows for every team, and will make for interesting analysis.

☆ If it's alright with everyone, I'd like to keep an eye on our Eastern rivals in this thread, and keep up to date with the conference as so many games this year will be against conference foes.

It seems the consensus of the so called thinking heads is that MIAMI AND CHICAGO are the two best teams in the east...and quite frankly I agree. It will be up to the returning BARON DAVIS...and depending on which BARON shows up will determine how we cope with D. WADE and D.ROSE...certainly if the one that shows up is a Davis at his best we can play with both MIAMI and the BULLS.
Having said that, I know you read the Sixers are better than the Knicks and some writers have even projected a 35-31 season for the KNICKS...that would be a complete failure to me. I think what needs to be done on the Knicks is doable..right there is real HOPE.I know I will be nervous for opening day ...with the CELTICS...as the first three games are against three excellent teams.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 23, 2011, 08:56
^

Davis is unquestionably MASSIVE for us. Doesn't seem to be any sort of set date for his debut, however.

I'm nervous about the opener too. I'll be on a f'ing plane whilst it's playing, sadly. Luckily, I got business class this time around. Sweet.

iSaYughh
Dec 23, 2011, 22:54
A good point, sir!! I've decided to lay off MD this year.

He has a potent team that will make him look good. I think, however, that he'll have a personal challenge in front of him this year, because he's been given a roster that is stipulated by management, not by his system's whim.

Can a leopard change its spots if it has a gun to its head?

It'll be one of the more intriguing things to analyze as a Knick fan this year.

Absolutely! IMHO, this is a referendum year that be the bedrock of what will ultimately define MDA's legacy...one way or another.

Fascinating subplot to follow, indeed!

So much juice to this season..Can't wait to kick **** off by kicking the **** out of the Bostonion Cripples. :beer:

AmareForPresident
Dec 27, 2011, 08:55
Idk about you guys but I think we can take on the Bulls no problem. They ALMOST lost to the Lakers and they just lost yesterday to GSW. Rose just doesn't look the same as last year and Boozer had only 6 points. I know it's still early but damn.

Crazy⑧s
Dec 29, 2011, 06:25
Demoralizing loss against GS.

On a brighter note, the Celtics lost to N.O! Silver lining.

Crazy⑧s
Jan 09, 2012, 21:15
Now we're picking up the pace, this thread has some meaning again.

Very telling win for the 76ers at home against Indiana.

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For the foreseeable future, these are the teams that we'll be seesawing through the 8 with.

Someone explain to me how that's a satisfactory result.

Eastern Conference standings here:

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We've got 3 very nasty games ahead.

We HAVE to beat Memphis - whose number we had last year

Very interested in the Philly match up.


Wed 11 vs Philadelphia
Thu 12 @ Memphis
Sat 14 @ Oklahoma City
Mon 16 vs Orlando
Wed 18 vs Phoenix

iSaYughh
Jan 09, 2012, 21:21
^ We're taking 4/5, IMO. And it is what we should do, too.

There will be a few junctures this season where we will, or will not, assert ourselves to the league and show where we belong in the hierarchy of playoff teams.

It's early, but this 5 game stretch is the first of those junctures.

Crazy⑧s
Jan 10, 2012, 21:45
A good point, sir!! I've decided to lay off MD this year.


:lol:

Fail.


Philly coming to town after a veritable day off in Sacramento.

This is going to be a real gauger for our boys.

Tyson and Fields (:() will be our key mismatches.


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iSaYughh
Jan 10, 2012, 22:05
:lol:

Fail.


Philly coming to town after a veritable day off in Sacramento.

This is going to be a real gauger for our boys.

Tyson and Fields (:() will be our key mismatches.


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We gotta take Philly down, start off this stretch of games on the right hoof.

I'm worried about Evan Turner, along with Holliday of course. But we must contain Turner and not allow a game where he goes off for 20 and a near tipple double, while shooting 80%.

Crazy⑧s
Feb 12, 2012, 05:47
:alert:We're back in the ❽:alert:
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Finally I can bump this thread after going through the doldrums of the opening part of the season.

So, as we endeavor onward and upward with our newly discovered weapon, I think the time has come to talk about our target position going in to the post-season.

Looking at the 8 now, I think that we should set our crosshair at 5th seed. That's speaking RIGHT NOW!

We'll see what unfolds after a few games of having our complete starting 5 ready to play and care free ~ injuries and otherwise.

- Boston have proven more resilient than I thought they would. Fags.
- Atlanta have maintained despite the loss of Horford.
- Orlando have descended as most prognosticated.
- Indiana and the 76ers are over achieving like I can't believe it.

5th spot. Too ambitious?

I think we can rightfully keep this thread alive now, all thanks to the little engine that could, Jeremy Lin.

◆ For the sake of keeping our foes under radar, Boston recently lost to the Craptors in an embarrassing display of Celtic gayfagness.

Indiana went down to Denver by 4 in a nail biter.



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Weissenberg
Feb 12, 2012, 06:16
Knicks are too unpredictable now to say where are we going to be at the end of the season, and therefore I'm not looking further than the next 10 games. In my opinion our plan min during the upcoming days should be 5-5, we have some scrubs to beat including the Raptors, Kings, Cavs and obviously the Brighton Beach Nyets, but also several tough games with winning teams... However, if everything clicks when Amare and Carmelo rejoin the squad, we could even go for 9-1, we know Boston and Dallas are not the same teams that beat us badly last season and we somewhow matchup pretty okay with Atlanta.