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metrocard
Feb 19, 2012, 14:47
Flawless coaching thus far.


http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2009/12/dantoni.jpgLETS ROCK

NY17KNICKS
Feb 19, 2012, 14:48
I..have to...agree?

AmareForPresident
Feb 19, 2012, 14:51
Thank you for making this thread. Anyone who thinks MDA hasn't been doing a good job is a blind MDA hater. You got to give credit when credit is due.

Clyde & The Pearl
Feb 19, 2012, 14:52
I'm feeling you, but not just yet. Shump on Dirk was an "EPIC" fail...

CoolRunnings
Feb 19, 2012, 14:52
I have to agree. He still playing with a shaky shifting roster and getting it done. My biggest praise is to the plays we're doing out of timeouts. I see screens, picks and movement on the floor.

AmareForPresident
Feb 19, 2012, 14:54
I'm feeling you, but not just yet. Shump on Dirk was an "EPIC" fail...
I would rather have Shump on Dirk than Amare on Dirk.

Sprewell-Houston
Feb 19, 2012, 14:55
Oh no, please no D'ANtoni thread...this won't end well :teeth:

On a serious note: No need to get too high or too low on D'Antoni.
I always thought the amount of stick he got was pretty unfair, ridiculously unfair at times.

He didn't win coach of the year for nothing, record several 60+ win seasons, coach the national team alongside Pop and coach K and help guys like David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Steve Nash or Joe Johnson to stardom if he was a bad coach.

He might not be the best coach in basketball and his emphasis is clearly not on defense from a practice/philosophy standpoint, but with the right players (mainly a great point guard and good shooters) his system is very successful and he knows how to win that way.

I think this might be the first time where he really got his kind of players since taking over the Knicks in 08.

Mike Woodson obviously did a great job too, credit to him.

Felton and GAllo were good players last season and I have great respect for them (and we looked pretty dang good at times last year), but Lin, J.R. Smith and Novak are the perfect players for D'Antoni. Add Baron Davis to the mix and Jeffries and Chandler's great defense and hustle and this is a very dangerous team.

metrocard
Feb 19, 2012, 15:24
Oh no, please no D'ANtoni thread...this won't end well :teeth:

On a serious note: No need to get too high or too low on D'Antoni.
I always thought the amount of stick he got was pretty unfair, ridiculously unfair at times.

He didn't win coach of the year for nothing, record several 60+ win seasons, coach the national team alongside Pop and coach K and help guys like David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Steve Nash or Joe Johnson to stardom if he was a bad coach.

He might not be the best coach in basketball and his emphasis is clearly not on defense from a practice/philosophy standpoint, but with the right players (mainly a great point guard and good shooters) his system is very successful and he knows how to win that way.

I think this might be the first time where he really got his kind of players since taking over the Knicks in 08.

Mike Woodson obviously did a great job too, credit to him.

Felton and GAllo were good players last season and I have great respect for them (and we looked pretty dang good at times last year), but Lin, J.R. Smith and Novak are the perfect players for D'Antoni. Add Baron Davis to the mix and Jeffries and Chandler's great defense and hustle and this is a very dangerous team.


I would like Diaw.

smokes
Feb 19, 2012, 15:26
I just reaaaaallllyyyy hope he will play a 10-11 man rotation when Davis Jorts and Melo are in the team. It's kind of disconcerting the thought that either Fields, Shumpert or Novak could find themselves buried on the bench.

StEpHoN_mArBuRy
Feb 19, 2012, 15:28
I do have to give him props for sitting Amare alot in that second half when he was clearly struggling to defend that high pick n roll with Dirk....

Red
Feb 19, 2012, 15:28
How can I? :shrug: We just reached .500, shouldn't the bar be set just a bit higher?

Besides, you said yourself that Lin was the difference- what happened before that?

http://www.jayandkevin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/setthebar.gif

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 16:08
Where was this coaching before? I haven't had problems with him since Lin went on a tear, but Lin deserves most of the credit. Lin is also the second best PG in the league, and the best scorer of PGs.

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 16:09
How can I? :shrug: We just reached .500, shouldn't the bar be set just a bit higher?

Besides, you said yourself that Lin was the difference- what happened before that?

http://www.jayandkevin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/setthebar.gif
Love your sig.

smokes
Feb 19, 2012, 16:14
Where was this coaching before? I haven't had problems with him since Lin went on a tear, but Lin deserves most of the credit. Lin is also the second best PG in the league, and the best scorer of PGs.

In the past 10 games he's been the best player in the league no question.

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 16:15
In the past 10 games he's been the best player in the league no question.
I agree...

NYk_Reloaded718
Feb 19, 2012, 16:16
THANK YOU DANTONI FOR PLAYING LIN

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/The+Lin+King_ecaac0_3321132.jpg

iSaYughh
Feb 19, 2012, 16:52
THANK YOU DANTONI FOR PLAYING LIN

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/The+Lin+King_ecaac0_3321132.jpg

Lol, dude...

You and some others have been running around GT's (prior to us winning) screaming about how dumb D'antoni is because Lin is playing too much, and that Lin won't be able to finish games for us, and that you can see how tired he is.

Besides Lin and D'antoni having constant communications about how Lin is feeling during the game, and when he should be coming out,

we've straight up won (as a baseline) 3 games on our streak simply because D'antoni didn't take out Lin a moment less than he has.

D'antoni has clearly played Lin beautifully, as evinced by the play of Lin. It's really that simple, unless people have crystal balls idk about, and D'antoni has one, too, and he just doesn't follow it.

Is there some track record prior to MDA, showing what an excellent, consistent NBA player Lin could be, or that Lin has been? And that D'antoni has somehow handled him and his game worse than someone else could be expected to in such a reality?

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 16:57
Lol, dude...

You and some others have been running around GT's (prior to us winning) screaming about how dumb D'antoni is because Lin is playing too much, and that Lin won't be able to finish games for us, and that you can see how tired he is.

Besides Lin and D'antoni having constant communications about how Lin is feeling during the game, and when he should be coming out,

we've straight up won (as a baseline) 3 games on our streak simply because D'antoni didn't take out Lin a moment less than he has.

D'antoni has clearly played Lin beautifully, as evinced by the play of Lin. It's really that simple, unless people have crystal balls idk about, and D'antoni has one, too, and he just doesn't follow it.

Is there some track record prior to MDA, showing what an excellent, consistent NBA player Lin could be, or that Lin has been? And that D'antoni has somehow handled him and his game worse than someone else could be expected to in such a reality?
Actually after reading this, I changed my mind about how much he plays him, in today's game anyway. Iverson played a load of minutes because he needed to, and we need Lin to play that many. D'Antoni made bad decisions with time and not expanding the rotation before though. Duhon and Felton were playing too much in a small rotation. They never played well most of the time after all those minutes caught up with them.

Lin is much better than both of them though, so I'm not worried about his play falling off.

NYk_Reloaded718
Feb 19, 2012, 17:00
Lol, dude...

You and some others have been running around GT's (prior to us winning) screaming about how dumb D'antoni is because Lin is playing too much, and that Lin won't be able to finish games for us, and that you can see how tired he is.

Besides Lin and D'antoni having constant communications about how Lin is feeling during the game, and when he should be coming out,

we've straight up won (as a baseline) 3 games on our streak simply because D'antoni didn't take out Lin a moment less than he has.

D'antoni has clearly played Lin beautifully, as evinced by the play of Lin. It's really that simple, unless people have crystal balls idk about, and D'antoni has one, too, and he just doesn't follow it.

Is there some track record prior to MDA, showing what an excellent, consistent NBA player Lin could be, or that Lin has been? And that D'antoni has somehow handled him and his game worse than someone else could be expected to in such a reality? lol i meant thank you for giving him a chance to play period, even though he only played him because he was out of options and was on the verge of being fired. But this wasn't about his Mins i still think Dumbtoni is a @sshole for over using Lin, this will only burn him out later on in the season, and can also lead to a injury if not careful. Dantoni does not monitor Lins mins, he asks Lin if he's tired and goes with what ever Lin tells him, of course Lin's going to say no and stay in the game to help the team, but he's logging in to many mins. IMO

iSaYughh
Feb 19, 2012, 17:01
Actually after reading this, I changed my mind about how much he plays him, in today's game anyway. Iverson played a load of minutes because he needed to, and we need Lin to play that many. D'Antoni made bad decisions with time and not expanding the rotation before though. Duhon and Felton were playing too much in a small rotation. They never played well most of the time after all those minutes caught up with them.

Lin is much better than both of them though, so I'm not worried about his play falling off.

+1, i've thought of AI, too. AI got ridden a lot, it was a byproduct of his abilities, what the team needed, and AI's communications and trust with the coach.

Look, if Lin keeps getting ridden like this, even if he's obv hurting from the minutes, and Baron or anyone else isn't easing the load eventually....I'd agree, and pin it on D'antoni.

But let's not act like D'antoni has somehow already manhandled Lin, or that MDA won't react appropriately with Lin moving forward. If he does, he does; but he hasn't yet.

D'antoni and the team are starting to do a lot of things right; no need to be so pessimistic or attack guy on anyone right now. :gony:

iSaYughh
Feb 19, 2012, 17:04
lol i meant thank you for giving him a chance to play period, even though he only played him because he was out of options and was on the verge of being fired. But this wasn't about his Mins i still think Dumbtoni is a @sshole for over using Lin, this will only burn him out later on in the season, and can also lead to a injury if not careful. Dantoni does not monitor Lins mins, he asks Lin if he's tired and goes with what ever Lin tells him, of course Lin's going to say no and stay in the game to help the team, but he's logging in to many mins. IMO

Lolll, ahhhhh, kk. My bad.

Until I see or you see Lin *hurting* in games, not looking sharp, legit looking ragged and not recovering...I'm still not going to get on D'antoni for it.

Especially when we're in midst of a real important turnaround, and winning streak, where Lin's play and minutes have been so integral.

Like I said to Jump, if it keeps up throughout time when Baron is obviously good to go and primed; or if Lin legit looks like he's not recovering from games, I'd agree. Gotta do whatever it takes to rest him.

smokes
Feb 19, 2012, 17:19
Lolll, ahhhhh, kk. My bad.

Until I see or you see Lin *hurting* in games, not looking sharp, legit looking ragged and not recovering...I'm still not going to get on D'antoni for it.

Especially when we're in midst of a real important turnaround, and winning streak, where Lin's play and minutes have been so integral.

Like I said to Jump, if it keeps up throughout time when Baron is obviously good to go and primed; or if Lin legit looks like he's not recovering from games, I'd agree. Gotta do whatever it takes to rest him.


I'm annoyed Baron didn't get some minutes earlier in the game, BUT...

MDA said that Lin tells him when he's tired. Lin is a smart kid, he's not going to say he's fine when he doesn't think he can do the best for the team, and he's not gonna play if he's worried about going down. Remember this kid is playing for his future.

I've only seen Lin really tired in the final game of the b2b2b. He does slow down a bit but I still think Lin tired is gonna be more effective than Bibby, Shumpert at the point or no practice Davis.

Posted this in the game thread, people forget that MDA and Lin stay in constant communication regarding his minutes and if Lin needs a rest he will tell MDA to rest him.

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 17:22
Well as Almost_famous said, Lin is not likely to tell D'Antoni he's tired. D'Antoni can't rely on that.

smokes
Feb 19, 2012, 17:29
Well as Almost_famous said, Lin is not likely to tell D'Antoni he's tired. D'Antoni can't rely on that.

Why? This guy is playing for a contract if he's worried about getting run down and hurt I'm pretty sure he would be asking for some rest.

You think MDA doesn't care about the kid? Lin practically saved his job and MDA knows if Lin goes down he's totally screwed. We played him as sparingly as possible some of these games, which yeah, sometimes meant playing him for the entire second half since we quite probably would have lost without him.

RunningJumper
Feb 19, 2012, 17:34
Why? This guy is playing for a contract if he's worried about getting run down and hurt I'm pretty sure he would be asking for some rest.

You think MDA doesn't care about the kid? Lin practically saved his job and MDA knows if Lin goes down he's totally screwed. We played him as sparingly as possible some of these games, which yeah, sometimes meant playing him for the entire second half since we quite probably would have lost without him.
Playing for a contract? He's overwhelmed as it is, he knows he's got a lot of money coming his way.

I didn't say D'Antoni doesn't care about him. A lot of players play through fatigue and when they're hurting, and would never tell a coach to take him out unless it was very bad. Since B. Diddy is expected back soon it's not a big concern, but if he doesn't come back soon, than D'Antoni will to make his decisions not just based off what Lin is telling him.

Number3
Feb 19, 2012, 17:37
i thank him for starting Lin ASAP and taking douglas out!!!... thank him for JR Smith today...Thank him for believing in Jared JEFFRIESSS

iSaYughh
Feb 19, 2012, 18:27
Posted this in the game thread, people forget that MDA and Lin stay in constant communication regarding his minutes and if Lin needs a rest he will tell MDA to rest him.

+1, ya, I actually saw that post in the GT -- actually just copy/pasted it here for your posterity, but couldn't easily track it down ;)

Plus, we just use our eyes. MDA surely will, too. If Lin isn't recovering from games well, or starts looking legit ragged and not recovering...he will get rested one way or another -- if he doesn't, then you get on MDA for it.

Right now, the minutes Lin has logged have been incontrovertibly necessary for us to be winning the games we have been!

And, this winning streak has been pretty much do or die for our season.

:2cents:

Forrest17
Feb 19, 2012, 18:39
Yeah, I agree. He has been doing great, making smart decisions, has abandoned many of the old mechanics of his system that were heavily criticized and got his team to play defense

While we were bad before lin, and a lot of people were blaming D'Antoni, because he was making a lot of weird decisions at that time and because of his history..

But honestly what could he or any coach have done with that team. Melo was playing like crap and always hurt after we went 6-4.., Amar'e was playing like crap, and we had no pointguards to run the offense.. So what could he coach exactly? I know coaches need to adapt to get their teams wins but PG is probably the most important position in the league when you need to score points, not even sure if Phil Jackson would have had this team over .500 without Lin, who has saved this team. SAVED THEM.

Since then he has made good coaching decisions every game. I don't find myself yelling at him to call time or seeing guys blow by us with no effort and not having him chew them out.. STAT is the only guy who gets blown by on defense and D'Antoni's benched him a few times because of that since he has been back.

Clyde & The Pearl
Feb 19, 2012, 18:55
You guys do realize this is not SSOL. We're actually bringing the ball up and probing the defense looking for good shots.

We're actually playing sound team defense. Something I doubt MDA has much to do with.

MDA has done some nice things lately, but he's far from off the hook.

Red
Feb 19, 2012, 19:25
Love your sig.

Thank you. :beer:

KBlack25
Feb 20, 2012, 10:41
You guys do realize this is not SSOL. We're actually bringing the ball up and probing the defense looking for good shots.

We're actually playing sound team defense. Something I doubt MDA has much to do with.

MDA has done some nice things lately, but he's far from off the hook.

You doubt but you don't know.

You just look for any angle to discredit MDA - fact is if you blame him when things go wrong it's only fair to credit him when things go right.

But your bias won't let you.

KingofNy
Feb 20, 2012, 11:22
The main thing I've seen wrong with his coaching lately is his lack of using timeouts when our opponents go on runs. In the last two weeks I've seen 3 14-0+ runs happen against us without MDA using ONE timeout. He really needs to get a better feel of the momemtum of the game and his team and call timeouts accordingly. We went on a 4-0 run yesterday and Dallas immediately called a timeout to cool us off. MDA needs to work on that.

That being said, compared to where we were a month ago, he's MUCH IMPROVED! It only took him from being a day away from losing his job to do that though... Don't forget that. lol And now that I think about it, when we don't have Lin in the game the guy can't coach for crap because we lose whatever lead we have immediately just check Lin's +/-. That's why he plays Lin 40+ minutes a game and 46 minutes yesterday. I don't know if it's D'Antoni that's coaching good or that Lin is just that good?

Clyde & The Pearl
Feb 20, 2012, 11:44
You doubt but you don't know.

You just look for any angle to discredit MDA - fact is if you blame him when things go wrong it's only fair to credit him when things go right.

But your bias won't let you.

What part of "he's done some nice things" didnt you understand?

metrocard
Feb 20, 2012, 16:33
The main thing I've seen wrong with his coaching lately is his lack of using timeouts when our opponents go on runs. In the last two weeks I've seen 3 14-0+ runs happen against us without MDA using ONE timeout. He really needs to get a better feel of the momemtum of the game and his team and call timeouts accordingly. We went on a 4-0 run yesterday and Dallas immediately called a timeout to cool us off. MDA needs to work on that.

That being said, compared to where we were a month ago, he's MUCH IMPROVED! It only took him from being a day away from losing his job to do that though... Don't forget that. lol And now that I think about it, when we don't have Lin in the game the guy can't coach for crap because we lose whatever lead we have immediately just check Lin's +/-. That's why he plays Lin 40+ minutes a game and 46 minutes yesterday. I don't know if it's D'Antoni that's coaching good or that Lin is just that good?

D'Antoni controls the rotation, and he's been genius so far.

nyk_nyk
Feb 20, 2012, 16:49
Just because Lin comes in and starts doing some amazing things does not mean Antoni has somehow improved as a head coach. When Lin is on the bench we usually start to struggle. I'd say Antoni's "genius" is knowing when to play or rest Lin. That's about it.

We're clearly not running his offense the way everyone knows it to be. Smarter shots are being taken and they aren't being rushed to maximize possessions. I watch every game and Lin mostly plays the game based on what he sees. He's very good and works well with the team around him. Antoni has done better at matching up via substitutions but I can't give him the full green light yet. I'm unsure if this is all Lin or a true coaching resurrection.

New New York
Feb 20, 2012, 17:34
When we were losing I said "Give Dantoni time"

Now that we are winning I say Give Dantoni time!!!!


It was unfair to judge him with the roster we started with, it is equally unfair to praise him because of this recent run!


Only time will tell!!!

Clyde & The Pearl
Feb 20, 2012, 21:01
Its games like this why I cant give MDA to much credit.

Down by 8 with two superstars that are 6 9 & 6 11 we're shooting jump shots.

Conventional wisdom says you go inside to get easy baskets, if not the basket the foul.

We do absolutely no posting. Once he realizes a post game can help you win games he'll be a much better coach....

metrocard
Feb 20, 2012, 22:13
Its games like this why I cant give MDA to much credit.

Down by 8 with two superstars that are 6 9 & 6 11 we're shooting jump shots.

Conventional wisdom says you go inside to get easy baskets, if not the basket the foul.

We do absolutely no posting. Once he realizes a post game can help you win games he'll be a much better coach....

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Clyde & The Pearl
Feb 20, 2012, 22:15
What dont you understand?

MSGhobo247
Feb 20, 2012, 22:19
Its games like this why I cant give MDA to much credit.

Down by 8 with two superstars that are 6 9 & 6 11 we're shooting jump shots.

Conventional wisdom says you go inside to get easy baskets, if not the basket the foul.

We do absolutely no posting. Once he realizes a post game can help you win games he'll be a much better coach....

I agree on going inside but other then Melo who has a post game on our team?

... and even at that Melo would rather face up.