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Kiyaman
Jun 22, 2012, 13:43
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/sp...&smid=tw-share (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/sp...&smid=tw-share)

An arbitrator has granted Jeremy Lin his so-called early-Bird rights, which will give the Knicks much greater latitude in free agency on July 1, according to a person who was informed of the ruling. The ruling means that both Lin and Steve Novak of the Knicks will be able to re-sign with the team without respect to the salary cap, for a starting salary around $5 million each. Just as critically, it means that the Knicks will not need to use their midlevel exception to sign either player, which will allow them to use that slot for another free agent.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Thats the best Knicks news in 2012

Red
Jun 22, 2012, 13:53
Great news. We can match any offer, and still offer the Mid-Level.


Next order of business...

UPGRADE THE BACK COURT!


One.

nyk_nyk
Jun 22, 2012, 13:56
Hell yeah MF!!!

Next order of business, finding a backup PG and a SG. If JR opts in and we can sign Nash, Felton or Miller and find a good player in the draft, we good!

NYk_Reloaded718
Jun 22, 2012, 13:56
MY REACTION


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MY SECOND REACTION

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NY17KNICKS
Jun 22, 2012, 13:56
Novak did too!!

SSj4Wingzero
Jun 22, 2012, 14:02
Awesome. Now we can use the MLE on someone else and STILL re-sign Lin and Novak if we want to!

finestrg
Jun 22, 2012, 14:04
Nice!!! Very good news! Finally we catch a friggin' break huh?

I'd love to give this smug POS David Stern a big "FU" right about now..Dickhead was so confident the arbitrator was gonna rule in favor of the league. LOL.

Very happy. I just started thinking the longer this went on, the more of a chance we had...Justice was served. Congrats to Lin, Novak and whoever else too btw.

:peace:

NY17KNICKS
Jun 22, 2012, 14:05
Lin-ANYONE BUT FIELDS-Melo-Amarknee-Tyson
Bench has a possibility of being: Felton-Shump-Jr Smith-Jeffries-JJ
Really alot of good possibilities now.

dasilva1079
Jun 22, 2012, 14:28
Finally some good news, now we can actually try to build on what we have instead of having to find completely new pieces and still be tied up. Lots of PGs in free agency, shouldn't be a problem finding someone good with the MLE, get lucky with the draft, who knows might make it deeper in the playoffs this year.

fender0577
Jun 22, 2012, 14:40
MY REACTION


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MY SECOND REACTION

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/186/553/1266784038597.jpgI'll do the same dance if true.YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

SSj4Wingzero
Jun 22, 2012, 14:43
This way we can sign Steve Nash to a two-year deal, sign Jeremy Lin to a four-year deal, and still have money for a SG who can defend and hit an open shot once in a while.

Make it happen, Grunwald!

FrazierVocab
Jun 22, 2012, 14:54
Not so fast there buddy.....The NBA will appeal it and who knows what his rights will be come free agency time. This whole process is just ridiculous if you ask me just like David Stern.

tiger0330
Jun 22, 2012, 15:10
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8085646/ruling-gives-jeremy-lin-chauncey-billups-bird-rights-affects-cap

Bird rights ruling affects four
Updated: June 22, 2012, 3:40 PM ET
By Jared Zwerling | ESPNNewYork.com

In a surprise ruling on Friday, New York Knicks' Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, Los Angeles Clippers' Chauncey Billups and Portland Trail Blazers' J.J. Hickson secured Bird and early Bird rights in a hearing between the NBA players' association and the league.

The decision was made by arbitrator Kenneth Dam, who affirmed that players claimed off waivers are able to retain their valuable Bird and early Bird rights when they become free agents. That means that if Lin, Billups, Novak and Hickson re-sign, their teams can go over the salary cap.

The NBA said it would appeal the ruling.

All four players were waived this season and claimed by other teams. They will become free agents July 1.

In addition, future players claimed off waivers will likewise benefit from Friday's ruling.

Lin and Novak wll enter the 2012-13 free agency period with early Bird rights, meaning that they can be re-signed for 175 percent of their salary the previous season or the NBA average salary, whichever is greater.

Billups and Hickson will have Bird rights, meaning they can be re-signed up to the maximum salary.

"Bird and early Bird rights are the lynchpin of our Soft Cap system, and we're pleased that Professor Dam recognized that a player does not forfeit these important rights unless he makes an affirmative decision to sign with a new team as a free agent," NBPA executive director Billy Hunter said in a statement released by the players' union. "Players fought hard for a Collective Bargaining Agreement that allows maximum flexibility for free-agent players while also permitting teams to retain their core free agents, and today's decision affirms both of these important principles."

The ruling is especially huge for the Knicks. They can now retain Lin, Novak and Landry Fields at up to $5 million each and then sign an additional player at $3 million or less with their mid-level exception. The Knicks will likely be in the market for a seasoned veteran point guard. The ruling is one step toward creating enough space to go after a player such as Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Andre Miller or Raymond Felton.

The Knicks could also retain J.R. Smith if he accepts his player option of $2.5 million. He has until June 26 to decide if he wants to opt in or out. Beyond that, the Knicks will only have veteran's minimum contracts of $1.4 million to spend to fill out the rest of their roster.

Wargames
Jun 22, 2012, 15:18
Man I didn't want to be hopeful but this news right here is a top 10 best thing that ever happened to the knicks franchise. Now they can keep Lin, Novak, and Fields and make moves at another player with the Full MLE.

Hell they could even sign JR smith for the extra he is supposedly seeking and still get a damn good FA.

Newbie
Jun 22, 2012, 15:20
WooHOO!! :mrgreen:

Thanks for sharing the great news, I know I needed it.

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New New York
Jun 22, 2012, 15:24
Drinks on me tonight Fellas!!!!!

tiger0330
Jun 22, 2012, 15:26
Not so fast there buddy.....The NBA will appeal it and who knows what his rights will be come free agency time. This whole process is just ridiculous if you ask me just like David Stern.
Most appeals fail but the appeal does put the arbitrators decision on hold until the appeal is denied or upheld. I would expect a decision on the appeal before July 1 the day FAs can start negotiations.

Newbie
Jun 22, 2012, 15:29
Drinks on me tonight Fellas!!!!!

If you don't show up, we'll leave it on your tab! :mrgreen:

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CoolClyde
Jun 22, 2012, 15:46
YEAH BOYEEEEEEE!
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Weissenberg
Jun 22, 2012, 16:03
Drinks on me tonight Fellas!!!!!Double Kentucky! :drink:

But, don't get your hopes too high folks, the NBA will probably appeal the ruling which means nothing's guaranteed yet. However, we just got a little closer to signing Nash or an other valuable veteran PG that would improve our backcourt. ;)

Sage
Jun 22, 2012, 17:13
The NBA are appealing the decision, but there's not much time before July 1, so most likely it will all work out in our favour.

Great news for the Knicks!

tiger0330
Jun 22, 2012, 18:33
I was just reading the CBA rules for appeals and it could take a couple of months before a decision is rendered. The NBA has 10 days to file an appeal, an appeals panel has to be selected, both sides get to argue their cases and then the appeals panel has 30 days to render a decision.

In the mean time any award is stayed with a filing of a timely appeal until a decision is made by the appeals panel. Looks to me the Knicks could get screwed if Lin and Novak get deals offered by other teams and any FAs we are interested in would have to wait until the appeal is decided on.

Wargames
Jun 22, 2012, 18:56
I was just reading the CBA rules for appeals and it could take a couple of months before a decision is rendered. The NBA has 10 days to file an appeal, an appeals panel has to be selected, both sides get to argue their cases and then the appeals panel has 30 days to render a decision.

In the mean time any award is stayed with a filing of a timely appeal until a decision is made by the appeals panel. Looks to me the Knicks could get screwed if Lin and Novak get deals offered by other teams and any FAs we are interested in would have to wait until the appeal is decided on.

Here's hoping the NBAPA has some sort of plan to file tampering charges if the NBA tries to pull this tactic to force teams to use their MLE regardless. Honestly I can't see why the NBA is so dead set that waived players can't keep their bird right. If they had felt so strongly about it they should of crammed it down the players throats like they did everything else this last CBA.

STAT1
Jun 22, 2012, 19:12
Wow, this is tremendous news for our franchise. Finally something to get excited about. Watching Lebron, Wade & Bosh dancing on the sidelines last night was almost more than I could bear.

I wonder if Nash would sign for a MLE to join the Knicks? He would be a Godsend for this team. If not I would love to target Ray Allen, we need another reliable shooter other than just Novak. That would help to spread the floor tremendously inside for STAT & Melo to do their thing, not to mention open up a ton of lanes for Lin to penetrate & dish.

Paul1355
Jun 22, 2012, 20:34
The NBA will appeal this but how much damage can they do?

MeloforMayor
Jun 22, 2012, 21:53
Great news for Lin, Novak, and the Knicks! Now we're sure to lock up one more quality player through free agency! And if JR picks up his option.... We're gonna be STACKED!

MeloforMayor
Jun 22, 2012, 21:56
Wow, this is tremendous news for our franchise. Finally something to get excited about. Watching Lebron, Wade & Bosh dancing on the sidelines last night was almost more than I could bear.

I wonder if Nash would sign for a MLE to join the Knicks? He would be a Godsend for this team. If not I would love to target Ray Allen, we need another reliable shooter other than just Novak. That would help to spread the floor tremendously inside for STAT & Melo to do their thing, not to mention open up a ton of lanes for Lin to penetrate & dish.

My thoughts exactly. Nash is the best passer in the NBA and Ray Allen is the greatest shooter of all time! Con't go wrong with any one of them. :smokin:

Kiyaman
Jun 22, 2012, 22:06
Here's hoping the NBAPA has some sort of plan to file tampering charges if the NBA tries to pull this tactic to force teams to use their MLE regardless. Honestly I can't see why the NBA is so dead set that waived players can't keep their bird right. If they had felt so strongly about it they should of crammed it down the players throats like they did everything else this last CBA.


Stern got the league thinking backwards.
The league would gain by waive players having their Birds Rights....
teams could gain a option by negotiating sign n trade for restricted and unrestricted (waive) FA.
What if Billups dont want to stay in L.A., the Clippers would be able to get him more money in a sign n trade.

BillyHoyle
Jun 23, 2012, 02:01
Stern got the league thinking backwards.
The league would gain by waive players having their Birds Rights....
teams could gain a option by negotiating sign n trade for restricted and unrestricted (waive) FA.
What if Billups dont want to stay in L.A., the Clippers would be able to get him more money in a sign n trade.

There are 2 issues here...The first is just $$$$...With this new interpretation, teams will be paying more money to players, since they will have more breathing room under the cap. More teams with cap room=larger offers for available talent...So if you were going to evaluate each team as a business, this decision just lowered the value of each team, since now their costs are going up

The second issue is the big market vs small market thing...Obviously this ruling favors the larger markets, since they are the ones with the money available to go above the cap room. The league is trying everything it can to create balance, and wants to create an environment where small market teams can compete.

YuvalNYC
Jun 23, 2012, 06:15
Yes yes yes yes!!!!!

Yes the NBA is Rigged
Jun 23, 2012, 07:31
There are 2 issues here...The first is just $$$$...With this new interpretation, teams will be paying more money to players, since they will have more breathing room under the cap. More teams with cap room=larger offers for available talent...So if you were going to evaluate each team as a business, this decision just lowered the value of each team, since now their costs are going up

The second issue is the big market vs small market thing...Obviously this ruling favors the larger markets, since they are the ones with the money available to go above the cap room. The league is trying everything it can to create balance, and wants to create an environment where small market teams can compete.
It's such BS, if Dolan really wanted to save money he could just choose not to sign Lin and Novak, that simple. Oh wait so he doesn't care about the money and wants the players? Then that should be his right! Last I checked collusion is against the rules. Yeah there is a cap but there is also early Bird rights which have been set in stone so the arbitrator made the correct call. Go ahead and appeal like a bitch but the fact will remain. How is letting teams resign their own players a bad deal for teams? Other owners should be all for this too.

AmareForPresident
Jun 23, 2012, 07:41
Damn what a relief! Best news about the Knicks I've heard in a while. :gony:

Crazy⑧s
Jun 23, 2012, 09:12
I think I'll exercise my skepticism on this one. Massive boon for big markets, and we all know what happened when Dan Gilbert (who is currently chainsawing a LBJ voodoo doll) intervened on the CP3 to LAL trade after the CBA lockout. This has gotta be in the same ballpark, no? There'll be tantrums, count on it.

If smaller market teams object, and the league is attempting to put in place an equilibrium between all markets, this could very well turn in to another separation of sides ~ haves and have nots (on an NBA level, that is) ~ and cause a lot of headaches for Stern.

Will he save himself the trouble and have it burned?

BillyHoyle
Jun 23, 2012, 10:41
It's such BS, if Dolan really wanted to save money he could just choose not to sign Lin and Novak, that simple. Oh wait so he doesn't care about the money and wants the players? Then that should be his right! Last I checked collusion is against the rules. Yeah there is a cap but there is also early Bird rights which have been set in stone so the arbitrator made the correct call. Go ahead and appeal like a bitch but the fact will remain. How is letting teams resign their own players a bad deal for teams? Other owners should be all for this too.

No, it's not about Dolan wanting to save money. The Knicks (and any other team) that takes advantage of these new early bird rights will drive up the cost of the OTHER players for EVERY team since there is more cap space available. So, it is in David Stern's best interest to appeal this, since the teams are more valuable when the cost of the players is lower.




I think I'll exercise my skepticism on this one. Massive boon for big markets, and we all know what happened when Dan Gilbert (who is currently chainsawing a LBJ voodoo doll) intervened on the CP3 to LAL trade after the CBA lockout. This has gotta be in the same ballpark, no? There'll be tantrums, count on it.

If smaller market teams object, and the league is attempting to put in place an equilibrium between all markets, this could very well turn in to another separation of sides ~ haves and have nots (on an NBA level, that is) ~ and cause a lot of headaches for Stern.

Will he save himself the trouble and have it burned?

Completely different situations. The CP3 thing happened because the hornets were a league owned team. This decision is an interpretation of a CBA that has already been agreed upon by both parties. If i had to guess, i'd say the reason it passed is mainly that the guys who are picked up off of waivers are done so due to no fault of their own. So, since they didn't make the choice of leaving a team for FA, why should they be punished by losing their ability to make more money through having early bird rights...

Yes the NBA is Rigged
Jun 23, 2012, 11:30
No, it's not about Dolan wanting to save money. The Knicks (and any other team) that takes advantage of these new early bird rights will drive up the cost of the OTHER players for EVERY team since there is more cap space available. So, it is in David Stern's best interest to appeal this, since the teams are more valuable when the cost of the players is lower.





psst you just agreed with me.

LV&C
Jun 23, 2012, 20:16
I hope this ruling sticks in the appeal. Greatest thing that happened for Knicks after Linsanity.

tiger0330
Jun 23, 2012, 22:23
Here's hoping the NBAPA has some sort of plan to file tampering charges if the NBA tries to pull this tactic to force teams to use their MLE regardless. Honestly I can't see why the NBA is so dead set that waived players can't keep their bird right. If they had felt so strongly about it they should of crammed it down the players throats like they did everything else this last CBA.
I hope so because this ruling is time critical. The last word from the union is they don't expect the appeal will be resolved when FA begins on July 1 but maybe they can petition for an expedited appeal so it can done by July 10 which I think is the day FAs can begin signing with teams.

Crazy⑧s
Jun 24, 2012, 00:18
http://www.msg.com/content/dam/msgcom/Teams/Knicks%20Photos/lin-novak-celebrate.jpg


Just as a front came through New York City with heavy, cooling rains to wash away the oppression of the Heat, an arbitrator's decision cleared the way for the Knicks to continue to build and potentially challenge a championship won in Miami the night before.

Kenneth Dam's ruling in favor of the NBA Players Association stance that Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak do retain their Early Bird Rights was not just a win for the players' union, but also for the Knicks. The move unshackled their ability to be players, and potentially significant players, in free agency this offseason.

If you're just joining this conversation now, please refer to this blog we posted about the arbitration hearing last week. It will get you up to speed.

Now let's explain what this means for the Knicks going forward:

The Knicks can re-sign Lin, a restricted free agent, without having to use their Mid-Level Exception. So if a team attempts to sign Lin to an offer sheet (up to the league average), the Knicks can match that contract without any restrictions. The same goes for Novak.

If the arbitrator had ruled in favor of the NBA and Lin did not maintain his Early Bird Rights, the Knicks would be extremely limited this offseason. Basically, they would be at the mercy of opposing teams signing Lin to an offer sheet that would cost the Knicks their entire full MLE. That, in turn, would trigger a clause in the NBA which caps non-taxpaying teams that use the full MLE to a limit of $4 million over the luxury tax threshold. So not only would the MLE be gone, but there would be very little room to do anything else, even with the $1.9 million Bi-Annual Exception and veteran's minimum deals.

This is why the arbitrator's decision is such a huge win for the Knicks.

By Lin maintaining Early Bird Rights, the team still has both exceptions, the MLE (either $3 million or $5 million) and the BAE, but it is still tricky here. The team will not likely use the full $5 million exception because of that clause we just mentioned that triggers the hard cap.

[Technically, the Knicks could use the full MLE, but it would be a great risk. Why? Because if they are held at the instituted hard cap, they can not add any more players for the entire 2012-13 season. This means if a player is injured, you can not sign a free agent to a veteran's minimum or even a D-League player to a 10-day contract.]

Instead, expect the Knicks to go with the $3 million tax-payer MLE, which would not trigger the $4 million apron and hard cap. It would allow them to sign a free agent at $3 million, use the $1.9 million bi-annual to sign another player and still have the luxury of adding as many veteran's minimum contracts as they please throughout the season. Trust me, this matters, especially when a player is amnestied or waived after the trade deadline.

So how do the Knicks sign Steve Nash with only the $3 million mid-level? The answer is simple: they don't.

Instead, look for the Knicks to talk to several veteran point guards, from Jason Kidd to Raymond Felton, and possibly former Sixth Man of the Year Lamar Odom or veteran shooter Ray Allen, with the MLE and BAE in their pocket. Will they be enough to make a significant move? That remains to be seen. That depends on whether some of these veterans want to be part of taking on the Miami Heat. They are the new standard in the East and the Knicks know they have to build to beat them.

This is why I also look forward to seeing if Glen Grunwald and his crafty group can come up with another Tyson Chandler-type plan, using some of the other assets on this team. Consider the value in Landry Fields ($2.6 million qualifyer), Toney Douglas' expiring contract ($2 million) and non-guaranteed money in Dan Gadzuric ($1.3 million), Josh Harrellson ($762,195) and Jerome Jordan ($762, 195).

If a team is looking to sell and take nothing back, the Knicks have the pieces, plus $3 million in cash considerations, to put on the table. It's not much, but as the Heat showed us, stars can get you far in this league, but a solid supporting cast (Shane Battier, Mike Miller) can get you to the top.

So as of now, the Knicks believe they can count on bringing back its starting five, plus one major piece of that Mobb Deep bench if Novak is interested. J.R. Smith has until Tuesday to decide whether he will pick up his $2.5 million option for next season or become a free agent. Even if he does not pick up the option and becomes a free agent, the Knicks can re-sign Smith for a 120-percent raise. In my opinion, it's safe to pencil Smith in right now.

Jared Jeffries was a solid defensive big off the bench and has a place here, too, if he wants to return.

What this decision means is the Knicks have options they would not have had available had the arbitrator ruled in favor of the NBA. And they're not completely in the clear yet because the NBA announced it planned to appeal the decision by Dam, so the case will be brought to an appellate panel for review.

The league has to appeal this, not only because it's general practice to appeal when the right to appeal is theirs, but also because if they dismiss this loophole, they set a precedent for the NBPA to challenge several other possible ambiguities in the CBA.

There is still a little over two weeks before free agents can be officially signed, but the clock is ticking and the NBA knows it is unfair to have a team, and free agents, go into free agency uncertain of status. As for now, the ruling stands and Jeremy Lin's future as a Knick is almost certainly secured.

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Plenty to digest there. I'm still cautiously reserved that things are going to work out post appeal.

Crazy⑧s
Jun 24, 2012, 00:21
Completely different situations. The CP3 thing happened because the hornets were a league owned team. This decision is an interpretation of a CBA that has already been agreed upon by both parties. If i had to guess, i'd say the reason it passed is mainly that the guys who are picked up off of waivers are done so due to no fault of their own. So, since they didn't make the choice of leaving a team for FA, why should they be punished by losing their ability to make more money through having early bird rights...

I'm speaking more directly in regard to those that will oppose the arbitration. There will be those that go against it, and there voices have to be heard.

The league has apparently overlooked a number of loopholes from the most recent CBA, and if they allow this to be reconstructed, they'll likely have a lot of work ahead of them to restructure/iron out the fine print. I'm sure they'd prefer not to, and I'm sure there'll be influxes of both good and bad news for Knick fans before a decision is finally made.

BillyHoyle
Jun 24, 2012, 01:33
I'm speaking more directly in regard to those that will oppose the arbitration. There will be those that go against it, and there voices have to be heard.

The league has apparently overlooked a number of loopholes from the most recent CBA, and if they allow this to be reconstructed, they'll likely have a lot of work ahead of them to restructure/iron out the fine print. I'm sure they'd prefer not to, and I'm sure there'll be influxes of both good and bad news for Knick fans before a decision is finally made.

I'm sure the players union is willing to spend thousands to litigate any issue over an interpretation that has the potential to net its members millions. Likewise, the league will do what it can to save the owners this money. Yeah, the league says they don't want to allow the precedent of challenging the CBA, but really I think this is about the $$$. Do you have any idea what these other possible loopholes are? Honestly, i don't think there are that many (maybe drug testing/fines/social media restrictions) that could possibly come up.