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STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 00:45
Just found this comparison interesting. Sorry if this has already been posted & discussed on another thread, was not sure whether I should post this on the Felton thread or the Lin thread.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/jeremy-lin-ray-felton-knicks-contract-houston-rockets_n_1678097.html


Given the relative talents and relative costs of both players, is the decision to bring back Lin as clear cut as many fans think? Do the dollars and cents (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jordan-schultz/jeremy-lin-knicks_b_1676448.html?utm_hp_ref=sports) speak loud enough in favor of Felton as to trump whatever advantages that Lin may represent in terms of X's and O's?

Jeremy Lin
Age = 23
Total Value of New Deal = 3 years $25 million
Career Games With Knicks = 35 (25 started)
Points = 14.6
Assists = 6.29
Rebounds = 3
W-L Record = 20-15
Career Non-Knicks Stats = 2.6 PTS, 1.4 AST, 1.2 RBS

Raymond Felton
Age = 28
Total Value of New Deal = 3 years $10 million
Career Games With Knicks = 54
Points = 17.1
Assists = 9
Rebounds = 3.6
W-L Record = 28-26
Career Non-Knicks Stats = 12.8 PTS, 6.5 AST, 3.3 REB

*All stats via ESPN.com


The caveat to the stat breakdowns above is Jeremy Lin's averages as a starter over 25 games last year were:
18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.7 turnovers


So basically, both of these guys excelled in D'Antoni's uptempo style system, except Felton was able to do it over a longer stretch of games & was more of a ball facilitator while Lin was more of a ball dominant scorer.

We've seen that Mike Woodson prefers to play a more structured style of offense while D'Antoni allowed his players a lot more freedom to shoot at will. Which of the 2 PG's do you guys feel is the better match for our current roster, head coach & style of play? Jeremy Lin or Ray Felton?

Perhaps more importantly, who is more likely to be respected by Melo & STAT on the basketball court & in the lockerroom?

* Please let's not discuss anything about the contract that Jeremy Lin signed, or how stupid James Dolan was for not matching on this thread. I would like to hear your thoughts on which of these guys you feel is better suited for this current Knicks' team & why.

NY17KNICKS
Jul 22, 2012, 00:57
Just found this comparison interesting. Sorry if this has already been posted & discussed on another thread, was not sure whether I should post this on the Felton thread or the Lin thread.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/jeremy-lin-ray-felton-knicks-contract-houston-rockets_n_1678097.html



The caveat to the stat breakdowns above is Jeremy Lin's averages as a starter over 25 games last year were:
18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.7 turnovers


So basically, both of these guys excelled in D'Antoni's uptempo style system, except Felton was able to do it over a longer stretch of games & was more of a ball facilitator while Lin was more of a ball dominant scorer.

We've seen that Mike Woodson prefers to play a more structured style of offense while D'Antoni allowed his players a lot more freedom to shoot at will. Which of the 2 PG's do you guys feel is the better match for our current roster, head coach & style of play? Jeremy Lin or Ray Felton?

Perhaps more importantly, who is more likely to be respected by Melo & STAT on the basketball court & in the lockerroom?

* Please let's not discuss anything about the contract that Jeremy Lin signed, or how stupid James Dolan was for not matching on this thread. I would like to hear your thoughts on which of these guys you feel is better suited for this current Knicks' team & why.
woah woah woah....Dont bring actual factual evidence to this forum buddy, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

NY17KNICKS
Jul 22, 2012, 00:58
Just found this comparison interesting. Sorry if this has already been posted & discussed on another thread, was not sure whether I should post this on the Felton thread or the Lin thread.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/jeremy-lin-ray-felton-knicks-contract-houston-rockets_n_1678097.html



The caveat to the stat breakdowns above is Jeremy Lin's averages as a starter over 25 games last year were:
18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.7 turnovers


So basically, both of these guys excelled in D'Antoni's uptempo style system, except Felton was able to do it over a longer stretch of games & was more of a ball facilitator while Lin was more of a ball dominant scorer.

We've seen that Mike Woodson prefers to play a more structured style of offense while D'Antoni allowed his players a lot more freedom to shoot at will. Which of the 2 PG's do you guys feel is the better match for our current roster, head coach & style of play? Jeremy Lin or Ray Felton?

Perhaps more importantly, who is more likely to be respected by Melo & STAT on the basketball court & in the lockerroom?

* Please let's not discuss anything about the contract that Jeremy Lin signed, or how stupid James Dolan was for not matching on this thread. I would like to hear your thoughts on which of these guys you feel is better suited for this current Knicks' team & why.
But my real response.
Lin has had THIS roster before, Felton has not.

In GAME SHAPE AND SLIM, I wanna see what Felton can do.

WeReady
Jul 22, 2012, 01:45
this has already been discussed before in the lin thread

munco
Jul 22, 2012, 03:06
The way they made the comparison is terrible because when Lin wasn't starting he wasn't getting significant minutes. If they did the stats per minute and also accounted for PER it's a completely different story.

STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 07:06
The way they made the comparison is terrible because when Lin wasn't starting he wasn't getting significant minutes. If they did the stats per minute and also accounted for PER it's a completely different story.

Understood, which is why I included the caveat about Lin's stats as a starter:

18.2 points
7.7 assists
4.7 turnovers
34 mpg

This is very similar production to what Ray Felton was able to provide as a starter:

17 points
9 assists
3.26 turnovers
38.4 mpg

As you can see, Felton averaged slightly less pts but did average slightly more assists & less turnovers than Lin as the starter.

So again, I ask you which of these guys do you think is better suited to run Mike Woodson's system & complement the rest of the players on this team? Would you rather have a PG who shoots the ball more but turns the ball over more as well? Or would you rather have a PG who looks to distribute the ball more & turns the ball over less?

Again, let's just keep the discussion solely based on basketball production & style of play here. Based on all of the above I happen to think Ray Felton is probably better suited to run Mike Woodson's system than Jeremy Lin, as much as I liked him & loved watching him play last year. I think Felton will not only be better suited to run this more structured style, but he will also garner more respect from our 2 main guys, STAT & Melo, which to me is key to any type of success this team will be able to achieve this season. Unless our team is focused on WINNING (& not necessarily on LINNING), I think we'll be fine. Felton never played with Melo so that's the 1 concern I have. Hopefully they'll be able to mesh just as well as Felton & STAT.

STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 07:11
this has already been discussed before in the lin thread

Sorry I must have missed it. Just wanted to chime in with my take. I rarely start threads anyway. If mods want to merge feel free.

finestrg
Jul 22, 2012, 09:19
You're right, the numbers do look fairly comparable. Like the majority of us, I wanted Lin back bad, man...BAD. I still can't believe how this thing went down..I blame both the Knicks and Lin -- the Knicks should've been more aggressive, at least in keeping communications open thoughout the process and then Lin didn't have to use the Knicks for leverage the way he did...So disappointed how things shook out, but hey, that's life..Not the first time us Knick fans got burned on something and it won't be the last.

As the dust cleared on this thing, I think we're left with a hell of a PG in Felton. Nice fallback plan that unfortunately had to be executed.. Thank God it was out there..Debatable whether we gave up too much to bring Ray back (forget Jeffries and Gadz -- for the 2nd rounder, Gerorgios & Pap and the leftover cash, I really wanted Jon Diebler back to balance things out a little better but whatever -- bottom line is that we got a very solid NBA PG replacement right in his prime -- a guy who thrived here before and wants to be here...a guy that won a national championship in college -- so for that I'm thankful) but in the end, I think this is gonna work out very well for the Knicks. The Knicks definitely got back a lot of value with Felton for the money, that's for sure..Felton was great here the first go-around and I look for the same type of play this time as well. He prob. won't average 17+ ppg this time and you know what, he shouldn't have to. He'll pick his spots to score and run a great show. All any of us can ask of him and I think he's up for the challenge..Really looking forward to him kickstarting Amar'e again -- it took time but eventually those 2 had very good chemistry the 1st time out.. I for one don't wanna see STAT take a backseat to Melo anymore -- STAT came here first and played like an MVP his first year as a Knick -- this is every bit his team as it is Melo's if you ask me. Really looking forward to Felton re-establishing STAT as a dominant force one again. That's one of the biggest keys to the season imo...Anyway, yeah, Ray's a gamer -- just listening to him talk to Breeny and Clyde the other day on a SL telecast got me really pumped up and excited he's back. I think he's gonna come in here in shape, focused and ready to go. Can't wait. I just wanna see the Knicks come up with 1 more 2G and maybe one more frontline big that can score a little inside..Then I think we'll be ready to roll.

fender0577
Jul 22, 2012, 09:57
I'd still take and in shape Felton over LIN any day, because Felton has a proven track record of being a good pass first PG, who knows how to protect the ball.Those stats even show it, during lin's best run he was still turnover pron, and IMO shot the ball way to much.Felton had STAT looking like an MVP candidate, while Lin didn't seem to have chemistry with either of our 2 stars, maybe he needed more time, but i know what Felton and STAT had going.I'm not knocking Lin, because he has upside, but that third year is to much of a gamble IMO.

metrocard
Jul 22, 2012, 11:02
I'd still take and in shape Felton over LIN any day, because Felton has a proven track record of being a good pass first PG, who knows how to protect the ball.Those stats even show it, during lin's best run he was still turnover pron, and IMO shot the ball way to much.Felton had STAT looking like an MVP candidate, while Lin didn't seem to have chemistry with either of our 2 stars, maybe he needed more time, but i know what Felton and STAT had going.I'm not knocking Lin, because he has upside, but that third year is to much of a gamble IMO.

I fear Feltons ability to elevate the play of his teammates, even thog he is a better passer than Lin.

If Ray can average 12 and 9 assist, he's worth the money.

DontForgetDerekHarper
Jul 22, 2012, 11:23
Also remember, and this is extremely important for us, with jason kidd being less durable in his elder years.

Raymond felton through his career has been a warrior, including last year where he was out of shape, he barely misses games, and if he does he recovers quickly,

There isnt a chance in hell no matter what the injury barring an ACL or MCL tear; that raymond felton sits out of the playoffs last year

Jeremy Lin is coming off of surgery and showed that he was a liability on the defensive end when logging alot of minutes;

Raymond felton is the better defender, and turns the ball over much less

which in the playoffs durability, defense, and not turning the ball over are more key to success, than ppg and assist pg.

DontForgetDerekHarper
Jul 22, 2012, 11:25
I fear Feltons ability to elevate the play of his teammates, even thog he is a better passer than Lin.

If Ray can average 12 and 9 assist, he's worth the money.


you are telling me that a player needs to average 12 points and rank top 5 in the league in assists which is what 9 assists per game would do, to match his value of 3 million dollars a year ?

I expect a 3 million dollar point guard to average 8 ppg and 5 assists per game in order to be worth 3 million a year

if felton average 12 ppg and 9 assists a game with 1-2 steals
i would say hes excelling beyond his paycheck.

I agree metro that if he drops 12 - 9 i would be ultimately satisfied, but lets not forgot

felton and kidd and prignoni combined will cost less than jeremy lin himself.

tripleaamin9
Jul 22, 2012, 11:57
Under Woodson Lin averaged
13.2 PPG
5.4 APG
4 RPG
3.7 TPG

Den318
Jul 22, 2012, 12:07
Under Woodson Lin averaged
13.2 PPG
5.4 APG
4 RPG
3.7 TPG


Is this what Rey's number going to be under Woodson? He will be yelling at Rey to just give Melo the fking ball as well??

NY17KNICKS
Jul 22, 2012, 12:21
Is this what Rey's number going to be under Woodson? He will be yelling at Rey to just give Melo the fking ball as well??
Well I assume if he's open

petescud
Jul 22, 2012, 13:08
I'd be happy if Felton avg's 10 pts and 6 As 3 RB a game - cause Kidd isn't going to sit all game. I see them putting up similar numbers. Both protect the ball better then Lin. I don't think the PG position is our weakness. We need a top 20 SG

Paul1355
Jul 22, 2012, 13:22
But my real response.
Lin has had THIS roster before, Felton has not.

In GAME SHAPE AND SLIM, I wanna see what Felton can do.

This is true. Felton only had Amare, Gallo and Wilson Chandler. Lin had Amare, Melo, Tyson, Shumpert, and J.R Smith.

I will like to see how much better Felton plays with basically his best lineup he has ever been in as an NBA PG.

Lin is more a ball dominant scorer, which takes away the games of Melo and Amare. However, I believe that a PG that dominates the ball are the PG's that either just score like Lou Williams or can dish and swish like Derrick Rose.

Felton is a great fit, to say he is a better fit is up for debate because I believe Lin is the better player and I believe his court vision is under rated and he can make other players better but he didn't have enough time with the stars to prove it to the naysayers.

However, Felton can produce similar if not better numbers than what Lin did last season and at a cheaper cost, especially in that 3rd year.

Felton is a tough dude that can fly up the court if his weight is down, which it already looks like it is and his best friend confirmed Felton is already down 15 pounds from last season.

Keep it up Ray Ray, time to shine again.

CLYDE
Jul 22, 2012, 13:44
A few points:

1. Felton played very well when he was here, showed heart and deserved to stay. I'm happy for him that he is back. I'm sure he will play well for us again.

2. Lin is unproven at this point, but he was a gift that fell into Dolan's lap. He let's Lin go out and get an offer, then brings in Kidd and Felton in the middle of it all, then bad mouths Lin for accepting Rocket's offer.

3. Dolan could have offered Lin a decent 3 year deal before all this Rocket stuff was put in play. Lin would probably have been happy to accept a decent Knick offer.

4. Lin is 23, had the Garden rocking, Dolan's MSG stock increased by millions, Lin jerseys could not be made fast enough...............and Dolan wants us to beleive he let Lin go because it did not make business sense!

5. Lin may wind up decent, above average, or great. Either way we let a real asset go with zero in return.

6. Oh, and Melo had nothing to do with Lin leaving town?

Just my :2cents:.

darkoverlordoftheuniverse
Jul 22, 2012, 13:46
Felton should be a better fit. The best thing about Lin isnt his numbers its the simple fact that he hates to lose. If Felton really plays with fire we are fine.

The only problem I have is melo and Amare are frontrunners as soon as we get down they give up. Having a guy like lin come in and take over the game. It kind of knocks a hole in the attitude melo and Amare have of "I'm great so if we lose its not my fault".

I think we need that. When the team is down 15 to the raptors or some other crap team and melo and Amare have a stupid look on their face. It was nice to have someone that wants to win every game.

STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 14:07
Under Woodson Lin averaged
13.2 PPG
5.4 APG
4 RPG
3.7 TPG

Those are very human like numbers, nothing at all like what Lin was putting up under the freewheeling system of Mike D'Antoni, which IMHO was never going to lead us to any type of real longterm success, especially against teams that defend on the perimeter well like the Heat & Celtics. In order to get past the teams we will need to beat to win a championship, we need to run a more structured offense, shoot the ball well from the perimeter, & most importantly, play smothering defense, all 3 aspects of the game which Mike Woodson places the majority of emphasis on.

Lin supporters, please do not get me wrong I am not trying to bash Lin in the slightest, I was 1 of his biggest supporters when he was here, but we need to take a step back from our emotions right now over losing Jeremy & analyze the situation we're currently in. We have 2 of the best scorers in the NBA on the team that need to be fed the basketball. IMO Ray Felton & Jason Kidd are very much suited to the task at hand. Lin would probably flourish more in Houston where he won't have to defer as much as he would have had to here, perhaps that also played a large part in his decision to sign with Houston? Just a thought. I wish him well. But not against us! :thumbsup:

fender0577
Jul 22, 2012, 14:45
I fear Feltons ability to elevate the play of his teammates, even thog he is a better passer than Lin.

If Ray can average 12 and 9 assist, he's worth the money.Yeah, but iv'e seen him(FELTON) and STAT basically play like a great looking due, while lin seemed sometimes to go of the reservation and do his own thing, even when STAT and Melo were with him.I trust Felton to make the right decision more so than LIN, lin likes to shot first sometime, while since at NC Felton has always look to get his teammates going, and that's what i want in my PG.

fender0577
Jul 22, 2012, 15:00
Those are very human like numbers, nothing at all like what Lin was putting up under the freewheeling system of Mike D'Antoni, which IMHO was never going to lead us to any type of real longterm success, especially against teams that defend on the perimeter well like the Heat & Celtics. In order to get past the teams we will need to beat to win a championship, we need to run a more structured offense, shoot the ball well from the perimeter, & most importantly, play smothering defense, all 3 aspects of the game which Mike Woodson places the majority of emphasis on.

Lin supporters, please do not get me wrong I am not trying to bash Lin in the slightest, I was 1 of his biggest supporters when he was here, but we need to take a step back from our emotions right now over losing Jeremy & analyze the situation we're currently in. We have 2 of the best scorers in the NBA on the team that need to be fed the basketball. IMO Ray Felton & Jason Kidd are very much suited to the task at hand. Lin would probably flourish more in Houston where he won't have to defer as much as he would have had to here, perhaps that also played a large part in his decision to sign with Houston? Just a thought. I wish him well. But not against us! :thumbsup:Nah f-that, don't bite your tongue, 99% of LIN fans aren't Knicks fans anyways.So to hell with them, all Knicks fans supported Lin while he was here(because he was a Knick), but some of these idiots, who bash STAT and MELO, and called LIN the greatest thing to ever happen to the KNICKS are retards.Don't apologize to the unintelligent, call it what it is, where going to be better off, financially on and off the court next year.Jason Kidd, and felton are more than capable of running things next year.F-Lin and all LIN fans, not to be confused with KNICKS fans.P.S i can say that now, he's not a knick anymore.

STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 15:17
Yeah, but iv'e seen him(FELTON) and STAT basically play like a great looking due, while lin seemed sometimes to go of the reservation and do his own thing, even when STAT and Melo were with him.I trust Felton to make the right decision more so than LIN, lin likes to shot first sometime, while since at NC Felton has always look to get his teammates going, and that's what i want in my PG.

Lin seemed almost unsure of what he was supposed to do when he was on the court with STAT & Melo at times, almost too sheepish to step on either of their toes deferring way too early by giving up the ball before the offense had had a chance to set up, while at other times making questionable decisions with the basketball & turning the ball over. With a young player like Lin there is always that concern that instead of taking charge & orchestrating the offense, he will act hesitant and second guess himself. He had none of those concerns when STAT & Melo were both out, he WAS the main option on the floor so he could play freely & not have to worry about what he was supposed to do with the basketball. This is why I say I think Ray Felton might be better suited to run this offense, since being a veteran he's more seasoned & more apt to make the right decisions with the basketball when teams are trying to pressure him in the backcourt. He's not going to be nearly as flashy or exciting a player to watch as Jeremy Lin, not even close, but in terms of production of what this team will need out of its floor general, I think Ray might be the right option for us at this point in time.

New New York
Jul 22, 2012, 16:06
I appreciate the numbers because they do say a lot, but they do not say it all!

What numbers do not show is leadership and chemistry with teamates.

People dislike how "plain" Felton's game is and love Lin's larger than life appeal, however I see it as a problem.

With Lin we have that whole "Who's team is it" struggle that will play out each time we lose a game and Lin didnt get X number of touches or if Melo took the last shot and vise versa.

With Felton he is nothing more than a facilitator, he's not a franchise savior, he's not going to have a swarm of media around him after every game and he will not have whole segmants dedicated to him on PTI!

He'll simply make plays for us!


Chemistry

Felton is familar with some key players on our team (Amare w/ Knicks,Tyson w/ Bobcats,Camby w Blazers and JR Smith w/ Nuggets) this is huge in terms of familarity and respect from those guys!


Basketball

Felton has never played at the level of Lin at the height of Linsanity....Jeremy Lin has never started more than 25 games! Try as they may, Melo and Stat will never be Pippen and Oakley type defenders so that is where the other players around them need to compliment them...not complicate. Lin in that game against Toronto got dominated by Calderon who had 30 in 3 qts (it took my man Shump to shut him down and ultimately set up that dramatic game winner) Lin will give it his all but will not defend which will compromise our D




Prime vs. Potential


Lin has the potential to be a better PG down the road....but we are not built for down the road, our team is built to win now! If OKC had a choice between the 2 they should choose Lin because he'll hit his Prime along with the core of the team....but Amare,Melo,Tyson are right smack in the middle of their prime as is Felton which puts them on the same page


Advantage Raymond!

DaTPRiNCE
Jul 22, 2012, 17:09
RayRay wants to be here and showed grit and heart in his time in NY i was upset he was traded and now im glad he's back. tough player who exudes confidence--which is a must. I think with the way were currently constructed Felton is the better fit for the team, Lin is more of a scoring PG in the devin harris) mold(not as good) which with this team isnt a good fit, we need a facilitator and Felton can be that and get rugged throughout the 30 mins he's playing. excellent addition and the dude is real. saw his msg interview and he's looking in shape, looks ready to play and being back in NY revived him.

knickerbocka176
Jul 22, 2012, 17:36
Rockets fans think lin is going to average 22 and 10 LOLOL

STAT1
Jul 22, 2012, 18:12
Rockets fans think lin is going to average 22 and 10 LOLOL

I think Lin will average somewhere around 18 & 8 w/5 turnovers per. Solid #'s but probably not what we need our PG to give us at this point. I'll be happy if Felton can give us 14 & 7 while providing leadership on the basketball court, stabilizing the offense & not turning the ball over.

elcol
Jul 22, 2012, 18:42
Rockets fans think lin is going to average 22 and 10 LOLOL

Thats not really surprising, he will be their #1 option, play a pick up game where you are holding the ball 90% of the time and you will have good numbers..

darkoverlordoftheuniverse
Jul 22, 2012, 18:46
Felton should be better on d and honestly if we slow it down his ball security will be big for us. I don't think we have worry about a guy like chalmers shutting Felton down.

NYNYK
Jul 22, 2012, 20:04
Thats not really surprising, he will be their #1 option, play a pick up game where you are holding the ball 90% of the time and you will have good numbers..

They have no one else. He'll have to do pretty much everything aka be their melo. If you're a fantasy owner it'll be great but if you're a basketball team, not so much.

He's not there to be a basketball player. He's there bring a dead fanbase back to life. If he pulls good numbers it's just a positive.

I won't be surprised if he tears his meniscus again or worse with the minutes they'll probably play him.

fender0577
Jul 22, 2012, 22:13
They have no one else. He'll have to do pretty much everything aka be their melo. If you're a fantasy owner it'll be great but if you're a basketball team, not so much.

He's not there to be a basketball player. He's there bring a dead fanbase back to life. If he pulls good numbers it's just a positive.

I won't be surprised if he tears his meniscus again or worse with the minutes they'll probably play him.They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my :2cents:

Den318
Jul 22, 2012, 22:43
They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my :2cents:


Lin at least have the potential to be a 20/10 or close to it. A'mare and Melo will NEVER win a championship for the Knicks. There max contract is way more Absorb!!

Crazy⑧s
Jul 22, 2012, 22:46
There max contract is way more Absorb!!

I have less of a qualm with a troll that can at least bring something intelligent to the forum. You have not qualified. :ban: Could be your first one, RJ!

fender0577
Jul 22, 2012, 23:32
Lin at least have the potential to be a 20/10 or close to it. A'mare and Melo will NEVER win a championship for the Knicks. There max contract is way more Absorb!!Ah...no he doesn't, there's a reason only Chris Paul and D-Will are the only PG's in the league who have done it.Lin is ok, but stop with this 20&10 talk, please.

p0nder
Jul 25, 2012, 08:29
Jeremy Who???

Everybody Loves Raymond!!!

jimkcchief88
Jul 25, 2012, 10:03
Nah f-that, don't bite your tongue, 99% of LIN fans aren't Knicks fans anyways.So to hell with them, all Knicks fans supported Lin while he was here(because he was a Knick), but some of these idiots, who bash STAT and MELO, and called LIN the greatest thing to ever happen to the KNICKS are retards.Don't apologize to the unintelligent, call it what it is, where going to be better off, financially on and off the court next year.Jason Kidd, and felton are more than capable of running things next year.F-Lin and all LIN fans, not to be confused with KNICKS fans.P.S i can say that now, he's not a knick anymore.

Bang bang...King Kong ain't got s**t on me; took the words out of my mouth. Man I love our old school posters. :)

iSaYughh
Jul 25, 2012, 10:51
Bang bang...King Kong ain't got s**t on me; took the words out of my mouth. Man I love our old school posters. :)

Join Date: Dec 2011

Well. It's good to see you stay on top of the details, Jim, that frame your perspective on issues!


:smokin:

Kiyaman
Jul 25, 2012, 11:22
They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my :2cents:


Keven Martin equal Carmelo Anthony .... didnt u notice the Houston Rocket roster without "Yao & T-Mac" three seasons ago staying above .500 record. As soon as they got Keven Martin 2 seasons ago, Houston started trading some decent young guards and coach Adeleman started DNP healthy good players who refuse to pass Keven Martin the ball on every offensive possession.

Lin is a complimentary team player .. Felton is not...

NYNYK
Jul 25, 2012, 14:02
They traded kevin martin?That dude puts up numbers, and no, LIN is not a 20 and 10 player, you know how hard that is?Some people have no clue, lin will never average 20&10, he's not that athletic, 17&7 with 6 TO's is more realistic.15 million for those numbers is absurd, just my :2cents:

Ok, I wouldn't use the word "never" to predict an individual player's performance particularly when he just came of an incredible season. Who would have thought that Victor Cruz would play like an all star WR on the giants last season? Or Tom Brady would go from 4th string qb to hall of fame? The kid worked hard to get where he is so who knows?

And he's plenty athletic, watch Sports Science on ESPN if you don't believe me...or just watch his games from last season.

But the numbers weren't my point. Even if he performs poorly, as long as he starts he'll draw $$$, something that Doh!lan couldn't seem to grasp. Houston had plenty of cash to throw around and yet they pursued an unproven PG in J Lin (which he is) when they had D Will available or Steve Nash? And seriously, Omer Asik??? And a bunch of hit or miss young players? If they make the playoffs next season I will be amazed. I'll give you Kevin Martin but he's not a superstar like Melo. (yes i said it and I don't care if I get sh*t from the blob for this one if he reads it).

Lin had a great situation in NY and it was a win win for both sides no matter how you try and spin it. The Knicks could had 2 years to evaluate Lin before that luxury tax hit and traded him away to any number of teams who would love to have him no matter how he performed. Meanwhile, they would be making insane paper off him just being on the team. Plus they had J Kidd to help him out and even a Felton/Lin combo isn't too far fetched. Lin could have had better talent to work with and had a much higher chance of actually getting a chance to play in the playoffs vs sitting on the sidelines.

Forrest17
Jul 25, 2012, 14:20
He better become a pass first pointguard this time around. I swear when he was with us, he played with blinders on half the game. Its like he made the decision whether he was going to pass or shoot when he was on the other end of the court.. The situation, whether someone was open or not, seemed like it didn't matter. He just chucked so many shots it drove me insane.