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MeloforMayor
Aug 06, 2012, 11:01
With 9 new players to don the orange & blue for New York this upcoming season, It is clear that we'll see a much different team than last year. Three new point guards in Kidd, Felton and "The Maestro", the return of Camby and Kurt, defensive-specialist Ronnie Brewer Jr., and three wildcards in Copeland, White and Chris Smith....a defense-focused supporting cast for our BIG Three.

Of all these guys, Which player do you think will make the biggest impact for the Knicks next season?

Let me start it off with my pick.....
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I absolutely love the Kidd signing, as he's basically going to be our offensive coach. Genius move by Grunwald, taking into consideration that Woody isn't exactly great in the offensive apartment. It's nice to know that we've got a proven, future HOF PG running the show and leading the charge.

IMO, Kidd will finally bring that much needed order and calmness to our offensive schemes, he's done it for all of his teams for 18 years now in the NBA. I know he's not as quick and strong as he used to be, but his leadership, perimeter shooting, and superb playmaking will absolutely make us a better team than last season.

KingStarbury3
Aug 06, 2012, 11:31
I didnt vote yet but i might end up voting for Kidd too, i think hes a much better fit on this team then he was in Dallas and hes gonna look a few years younger

Knicks4Life_1985
Aug 06, 2012, 11:45
I am going to vote for Ronnie Brewer Jr. I hope he can transition into the role we needed Landry to fill for the past two seasons. That role in my opinion is :

- Play good team defense , Play passing lanes to start breaks / transition offense , and guard the best perimeter player so Melo does not have too

- Rebound at 3-6 rpg

- Knock down open shots ( 3 pointers ) / space floor


The thing I am most worried about from Ronnie would be his ability to knock down 3 pointers. He is a pro so I am sure Woody has him working on this part of his game just as Landry was when the off season started.

Good thread OP! :2cents:

STAT1
Aug 06, 2012, 11:52
I think Felton is going to make the biggest impact out of your options. He's the starting PG so that's an obvious huge factor, & if his chemistry with STAT from his previous stint returns next season, this team will see a tremendous boost in performance.

(btw, Kidd is wearing #5 for us this year) ;)

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MeloforMayor
Aug 06, 2012, 12:15
I think Felton is going to make the biggest impact out of your options. He's the starting PG so that's an obvious huge factor, & if his chemistry with STAT from his previous stint returns next season, this team will see a tremendous boost in performance.

(btw, Kidd is wearing #5 for us this year) ;)

http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1114910%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_370/image.jpg

Right right, my bad. :oops:

I was gonna choose Felton initially, but after watching some gameplay of him, he was out of control in most possessions. His game reminded me a little of Baron Davis. Focused on dishing the ball, but plays out of control sometimes. Plus, Kidd seems to be better in shooting the three boll than Ray, something that is much needed for our frontcourt who likes to clog up the lane.

But if Felton can somehow learn to play more controlled basketball while still maintaining that aggressive edge, I agree with you that he'll probably make the biggest impact. Right now though, my choice is Kidd. :2cents:

Crazy⑧s
Aug 06, 2012, 12:31
Dead set draw between Kidd and Felton.

Felton will add to his game under Kidd's tutelage.

Kidd will add to his legacy through the successes of moulding Felton.

There is an equilibrium between the 2, as one needs the other to help the team succeed. In doing so, they become successes.

Long term, Felton. A season or 2 of high output and orchestration and he's done what he needs to do as Kidd's career reaches its twilight. He will then move on to another team as this 3 year window of opportunity comes to a close presumably, with a winner's ticket to a new and suitable contract for him.

Can't wait to see it all unfold! :gony:

NY17KNICKS
Aug 06, 2012, 13:47
Marcus Camby, the guys a starter on ALOT of other teams and he comes here to become a backup.

our interior Defense hasnt looked this unstoppable in quite some time.

NYk_Reloaded718
Aug 06, 2012, 14:15
Felton Easily creates the biggest impact just look at that tummy, Nobody can deny this man wont shake up the whole arena.

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But in all seriousness, since our defense down low became swiss cheese once Chandler got into foul trouble i feel Marcus Camby will create the biggest impact for the Knicks. Marcus Camby is also capable of playing some starting minutes so if there were to come a time where Chandler is injured we wont be missing a beat by inserting Camby into the Starting lineup. Ontop of that we can play Chandler & Camby down low at some points (which Woodson already stated as a possibility if needed). If anyone watched all of the Knicks games last season one of our glaring weaknesses was No presence down low off the bench. Jeffries was a nice filler but he's no blocking machine nor is he altering any shots he's mostly good for taking charges. Marcus Camby as our backup Center whats not to love? Some of the times Chandler played soft because he didn't want to get into foul trouble.. knowing he'll have legit backup insurance in Camby this season i think we'll be seeing an even more aggressive Chandler this season and i cant wait :gony:

Kidd Karma
Aug 06, 2012, 15:45
Felton Easily creates the biggest impact just look at that tummy, Nobody can deny this man wont shake up the whole arena.

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But in all seriousness, since our defense down low became swiss cheese once Chandler got into foul trouble i feel Marcus Camby will create the biggest impact for the Knicks. Marcus Camby is also capable of playing some starting minutes so if there were to come a time where Chandler is injured we wont be missing a beat by inserting Camby into the Starting lineup. Ontop of that we can play Chandler & Camby down low at some points (which Woodson already stated as a possibility if needed). If anyone watched all of the Knicks games last season one of our glaring weaknesses was No presence down low off the bench. Jeffries was a nice filler but he's no blocking machine nor is he altering any shots he's mostly good for taking charges. Marcus Camby as our backup Center whats not to love? Some of the times Chandler played soft because he didn't want to get into foul trouble.. knowing he'll have legit backup insurance in Camby this season i think we'll be seeing and even more aggressive Chandler this season and i cant wait :gony:

Having a starter quality back up center does wonders for Tyson's game. When Tyson won the Dallas job, his backup was Brendan Haywood an NBA starter most of his career. Tyson's aggression went up a notch knowing that there's someone of quality behind him. Expect more from Tyson and when he's not on the floor, don't expect to lose much with Camby.

But I chose Kidd because of what he can bring on the court as well as off the court. He can still give 20 quality minutes, help Woodson coach the offense, it becomes more free lance than something overly structured and just his intangibles gives him cred inside the lockerroom.

orangeblobman
Aug 06, 2012, 15:54
I'm not sure about Kidd, after that DUI, I get the feeling that he's here to coast into retirement and party. I could be wrong, of course.

I voted Camby. He's going to bridge that gap between Chandler and the rest of the team. It's a second guy that can swat and board, kind of the intermediate role between Amar'e and Tyson on defense.

NY17KNICKS
Aug 06, 2012, 16:03
I'm not sure about Kidd, after that DUI, I get the feeling that he's here to coast into retirement and party. I could be wrong, of course.

I voted Camby. He's going to bridge that gap between Chandler and the rest of the team. It's a second guy that can swat and board, kind of the intermediate role between Amar'e and Tyson on defense.
I agree, I feel the same about Kidd right now. But lets hope we're wrong for the sake of the team.

CoolClyde
Aug 06, 2012, 16:36
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CA7
Aug 06, 2012, 22:19
Raymond Felton

I think he's gonna be huge for us this year

He's gonna run the show play 32-36 minutes a night, get STAT&Melo easy buckets, keep the rhythm going for our team. Defense starts with him this year putting pressure on opposing PG's

Felton will give us

16ppg
8.5apg- 1.5topg
48% FG's-37% 3's-82% FT's

KingStarbury3
Aug 06, 2012, 22:35
I now think it will be Felton, we're in trouble if its not him on offense

DaTPRiNCE
Aug 06, 2012, 23:41
With Kidd or felton in my opinion
Ima go felton simply because of his hunger to shut haters/critics up and he's playing with a chip. Also lets.not forget the man has chemistry with stat. He's part of the revival.

All the others are huge contributors but feltons will be the steepest

orangeblobman
Aug 07, 2012, 03:35
Raymond Felton

I think he's gonna be huge for us this year

He's gonna run the show play 32-36 minutes a night, get STAT&Melo easy buckets, keep the rhythm going for our team. Defense starts with him this year putting pressure on opposing PG's

Felton will give us

16ppg
8.5apg- 1.5topg
48% FG's-37% 3's-82% FT's

Impossible that he will give us those numbers.

He gave us 17/9 under D'Antoni, I don't see how he will come close to that under Woody!

12/7 is my very optimistic guess, and because he shot over 45% only once in his career I expect something like 42% FGs.

And to be totally honest, we're talking about a guy that couldn't put the donuts down in a contract year. Draw your conclusions.

JaYnYcE
Aug 07, 2012, 05:18
And to be totally honest, we're talking about a guy that couldn't put the donuts down in a contract year. Draw your conclusions.

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Real NY Baller
Aug 07, 2012, 10:26
I'll have to see a few pre season games first before giving my opinion on the matter. But seeing that we are now a defensive minded team...I suspect Ray Felton to have a lot of impact in Woodsons system. He will not be pressured to play D'Ants uptempo style but to get the rock to his front court players. The potential for dimes is there, he has good defensive awareness as a lane clogger and I'm sure Woody will tighten Ray's defense up even more. This is all theory from whats seen on paper and from what I've seen from him when he's motivated. If the heart and fight is there... Ray will be very instrumental in our wins. Plus, he plays better with a chip on his shoulder.

CoolClyde
Aug 08, 2012, 09:53
Impossible that he will give us those numbers.

He gave us 17/9 under D'Antoni, I don't see how he will come close to that under Woody!

12/7 is my very optimistic guess, and because he shot over 45% only once in his career I expect something like 42% FGs.

And to be totally honest, we're talking about a guy that couldn't put the donuts down in a contract year. Draw your conclusions.

I agree with CA7. Felton did not have Carmelo or Chandler to dish to when he played on previous Knick squad, this team is MUCH deeper than any team's he's EVER played on before, with more finishers. plus, he's coming in this season with a chip on his shoulder, and he'll be in good shape. dollars to donuts, Feltip will excel.

DrB
Aug 08, 2012, 10:07
I am going to vote for Ronnie Brewer Jr. I hope he can transition into the role we needed Landry to fill for the past two seasons. That role in my opinion is :

- Play good team defense , Play passing lanes to start breaks / transition offense , and guard the best perimeter player so Melo does not have too

- Rebound at 3-6 rpg

- Knock down open shots ( 3 pointers ) / space floor


The thing I am most worried about from Ronnie would be his ability to knock down 3 pointers. He is a pro so I am sure Woody has him working on this part of his game just as Landry was when the off season started.

Good thread OP! :2cents:
No question that Ronnie Brewer can be the key especially in the absence of Shumpert. If Brewer can get his 9 point average up so much the better as we know he can play defense.

orangeblobman
Aug 08, 2012, 10:18
I agree with CA7. Felton did not have Carmelo or Chandler to dish to when he played on previous Knick squad, this team is MUCH deeper than any team's he's EVER played on before, with more finishers. plus, he's coming in this season with a chip on his shoulder, and he'll be in good shape. dollars to donuts, Feltip will excel.

From your keyboard to GOD's inbox.

I think the pudgy little fella has it in him. Maybe he will feel the Gahden energy again and it will awaken his inner beast.

BananaSauce
Aug 09, 2012, 00:01
hah i voted for james white!

nyk_nyk
Aug 09, 2012, 09:28
It has to be Felton because his position as starting PG will be vital to the team. If he can get Melo and Amare shots in good positions then this team will begin to take shape and become a dominant force. Also, he is more than ready to prove that he's no downgrade from our former 25+ game sensation. Trust me, he's heard all the talk about Lin being better than him after only playing a little more than a 1/4 of a regular season and he's ready to shut people up.

Kiyaman
Aug 09, 2012, 09:29
The easiest question to answer .. Kidd's floor leadership, Kidds bench-coaching, and Kidds lockerroom discipline.

Kidd Karma
Aug 09, 2012, 14:35
The easiest question to answer .. Kidd's floor leadership, Kidds bench-coaching, and Kidds lockerroom discipline.

Kidd has the cred, Lin didn't. The players respect Kidd and will do and listen to what Kidd has to say.

NYk_Reloaded718
Aug 09, 2012, 18:54
I am going to vote for Ronnie Brewer Jr. I hope he can transition into the role we needed Landry to fill for the past two seasons. That role in my opinion is :

- Play good team defense , Play passing lanes to start breaks / transition offense , and guard the best perimeter player so Melo does not have too

- Rebound at 3-6 rpg

- Knock down open shots ( 3 pointers ) / space floor


The thing I am most worried about from Ronnie would be his ability to knock down 3 pointers. He is a pro so I am sure Woody has him working on this part of his game just as Landry was when the off season started.

Good thread OP! :2cents:


I think Felton is going to make the biggest impact out of your options. He's the starting PG so that's an obvious huge factor, & if his chemistry with STAT from his previous stint returns next season, this team will see a tremendous boost in performance.

(btw, Kidd is wearing #5 for us this year) ;)

http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1114910%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_370/image.jpg


Dead set draw between Kidd and Felton.

Felton will add to his game under Kidd's tutelage.

Kidd will add to his legacy through the successes of moulding Felton.

There is an equilibrium between the 2, as one needs the other to help the team succeed. In doing so, they become successes.

Long term, Felton. A season or 2 of high output and orchestration and he's done what he needs to do as Kidd's career reaches its twilight. He will then move on to another team as this 3 year window of opportunity comes to a close presumably, with a winner's ticket to a new and suitable contract for him.

Can't wait to see it all unfold! :gony:


Marcus Camby, the guys a starter on ALOT of other teams and he comes here to become a backup.

our interior Defense hasnt looked this unstoppable in quite some time.


I'm not sure about Kidd, after that DUI, I get the feeling that he's here to coast into retirement and party. I could be wrong, of course.

I voted Camby. He's going to bridge that gap between Chandler and the rest of the team. It's a second guy that can swat and board, kind of the intermediate role between Amar'e and Tyson on defense.


http://testpress.net/knicks/felt_ton3.jpg


Raymond Felton

I think he's gonna be huge for us this year

He's gonna run the show play 32-36 minutes a night, get STAT&Melo easy buckets, keep the rhythm going for our team. Defense starts with him this year putting pressure on opposing PG's

Felton will give us

16ppg
8.5apg- 1.5topg
48% FG's-37% 3's-82% FT's


With Kidd or felton in my opinion
Ima go felton simply because of his hunger to shut haters/critics up and he's playing with a chip. Also lets.not forget the man has chemistry with stat. He's part of the revival.

All the others are huge contributors but feltons will be the steepest


No question that Ronnie Brewer can be the key especially in the absence of Shumpert. If Brewer can get his 9 point average up so much the better as we know he can play defense.


hah i voted for james white!


The easiest question to answer .. Kidd's floor leadership, Kidds bench-coaching, and Kidds lockerroom discipline.


Kidd has the cred, Lin didn't. The players respect Kidd and will do and listen to what Kidd has to say.

All good Responses each player brings something to the team.

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MeloforMayor
Aug 10, 2012, 13:17
Almost all of us here can agree that either Felton or Kidd will have the biggest role among all of our offseason acquisitions......but who should start?

IMO, it should be Kidd.

His versatility in terms of play style has made him a starter throughout his entire career. He can run an uptempo and halfcourt offense to perfection. More importantly, he knows how to run an offense in the halfcourt set, which in my mind is the type of offense that will be most effective for our big three frontcourt of Melo, STAT and TC.

NY17KNICKS
Aug 10, 2012, 13:19
Almost all of us here can agree that either Felton or Kidd will have the biggest role among all of our offseason acquisitions......but who should start?

IMO, it should be Kidd.

His versatility in terms of play style has made him a starter throughout his entire career. He can run an uptempo and halfcourt offense to perfection. More importantly, he knows how to run an offense in the halfcourt set, which in my mind is the type of offense that will be most effective for our big three frontcourt of Melo, STAT and TC.
I believe its been stated Felton is our starter. Plus JR wants Kidd off the bench with him.

MeloforMayor
Aug 10, 2012, 13:21
I believe its been stated Felton is our starter. Plus JR wants Kidd off the bench with him.

:shock2:

I didn't know Woody has already appointed Felton as the starter. Doesn't he need to work for it first??

Pearl15
Aug 10, 2012, 18:17
With Kidd or felton in my opinion
Ima go felton simply because of his hunger to shut haters/critics up and he's playing with a chip. Also lets.not forget the man has chemistry with stat. He's part of the revival.

All the others are huge contributors but feltons will be the steepest
Its gotta be Felton because if he can get the pick and roll working again with STAT it will free up Melo, Novak and even Chandler. What we don't need from Felton is alot of shots to try and be Lin in Jan/Feb 12. Just be the distributor.

JaYnYcE
Aug 10, 2012, 18:54
Its gotta be Felton because if he can get the pick and roll working again with STAT it will free up Melo, Novak and even Chandler. What we don't need from Felton is alot of shots to try and be Lin in Jan/Feb 12. Just be the distributor.

I could be wrong but I believe Woodson wants Chandler to be the main P&R option and STAT lurking in the post.


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Kiyaman
Aug 14, 2012, 07:21
:shock2:

I didn't know Woody has already appointed Felton as the starter. Doesn't he need to work for it first??


I been wondering the samething....this is the only forum that puts Felton as a starter .. oldman Kidd career performance of tripple-double puts Kidd in the class with HOF Magic Johnson/Oscar Robertson .. what NBA coach in his right mind are going to tell a 39 yr old HOF he is not a starter?

Mike Woodson is not that coach .. especially when Jason Kidd philosophy is the solution to the Knicks biggest problem of getting Tyson/Stat/Melo to co-exist on both sides of the court.

tiger0330
Aug 14, 2012, 09:57
When Lin was here Kidd was OK with not starting, he wanted to finish the games. In Dallas Carlisle limited his minutes and I don't see that changing with Felton and him being a year older.

He may be on his way to the HOF but can't create his own shot any longer like Ray can. Only way he becomes a 30 min player is if Felton is injured or is a bust.

knickerbocker12
Aug 14, 2012, 13:57
pablo. you heard it here