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Imiss#33
Nov 12, 2004, 17:48
Read a rumor that had the Knicks as part of a 3 way with Minn and Indiana...we would get Artest, Indiana would get Wally and Minn would get Kurt and someone else might go to Indiana or Minn...

I don't want Artest...did anyone else see this?

newmove
Nov 12, 2004, 18:07
I didn't. Where did you get that? Oh, and I wouldn't liked Artest here as well cuz of the guards/forwards sutiation we are in. But if we weren't packed with guards that much I would've pulled that trade.

Imiss#33
Nov 12, 2004, 21:06
Here is what I found


Artest could return to New York
Chicago Tribune (registration required)
Tribune columnist Sam Smith writes that the Knicks could get Ron Artest in a three-way deal with the Pacers and Timberwolves. Wally Szczerbiak would join the Pacers and Kurt Thomas would end up with the Timberwolves if the rumored trade went down.

dacash
Nov 12, 2004, 21:46
like many players artest is talent mouth and no heart. we dont need him here

dr.carpy
Nov 13, 2004, 03:26
I wouldn't want Ron Artest either. What team in the NBA wants a defensive stopper? Why would the Knicks want a SF who would actually score? Why would they want a guy who's young? I say the Knicks should keep TT and his 12.9 Mil. Ron Artest is an overpaid stiff @ 6.5 Mil (Defensive player of the year last, yes he did beat out Ben Wallace). Oh by the way, I'm being really sarcastic!!!

dacash
Nov 13, 2004, 07:41
because he is poison,look at the end of last year,missing practices when the team needed him,now he is taking time off for a album causing his team wins,sure he talented,sure he makes less money but he plays heartless. watch him when it counts.

rady
Nov 13, 2004, 11:07
NY Daily News (http://knicksonline.com/getart.php?id=1568)

that's all i could find

Imiss#33
Nov 13, 2004, 13:38
the argument that "he is a good player so we should overlook some things" is one of the big issues with all pro sports and especially the NBA...a fan needs to feel that the players at least care about the team and winning...heck, why do you think so many people in the US were cheering against our Olympic team

I think we should applaud a guy like Steph who seems to have taken the Olympic message to heart and is now focused on leading a team...not just himself...
Keep Artest out of NY...we finally have some nice young talent to build around...let's not infect them with the likes of RA

teslawlo
Nov 13, 2004, 16:35
If TT was moved (plus some other stuff) for Artest, then that might clear up the wing positions...

dr.carpy
Nov 13, 2004, 23:00
Yeah, Who needs Artest and his 22 points 7 boards & 6 assists? We have TT and his 6 points 3 boards & 0 assists. Hey everyone who hates Artest wake up! He's really good! If Isiah Thomas could manage the NBA's biggest head case in Denis Rodman...Then Artest is a cinch. Let's face it, the Knicks can try for him or again watch him go to one of the other 27 teams. Oh, and if Ron Artest comes here, and things fell apart, blame the other 17 people that let things get out of hand. Steph, Crawford, Houston all have to lead. It's just that simple. By the way if anyone saw the exit interview, you can tell Steph getting tired of TT and Vin Baker. The locker might just need a change.

P.S. Rodman won five rings. Artest has way more potential than he ever did.

TmAc N Knicks4life
Nov 13, 2004, 23:24
wow artest in NY damnnn its his dream and nice 4 us. Look if he leaves kncisk should just send TT with the pakcage bc we dont need him look at thsi marbury,crawford,Artest,Sweets.nazr baker can back up nazr and we gon get eddie so itrs all good, i realy think artest is BSing with the whole album thing so he can get traded and he knocws knicks would want him and hes been wnated to play from the his whole life.

madskillz7312
Nov 14, 2004, 08:41
we dont need him look at thsi marbury,crawford,Artest,Sweets.nazr baker can back up nazr

i agree except for Baker, there is something going on with him....

professorhorhey
Nov 14, 2004, 08:58
Ron Artest is a ticking time bomb and bringing him to New York where there are is much more distraction and media attention probably will blow up in our faces so although Artest is awesome I don't think trading for him would be. Maybe Utah would be a better fit. :lol:

dr.carpy
Nov 14, 2004, 11:31
Ron Artest is a ticking time bomb and bringing him to New York where there are is much more distraction and media attention probably will blow up in our faces so although Artest is awesome I don't think trading for him would be. Maybe Utah would be a better fit. :lol:Bottom line is Artest will mature and so will his game. I like guys that are honest and work hard.Artest does that. Why would the Pacers let that kind of personal info out about Artest wanting time off? That's as bad as Phil Jackson's tell-all book. You don't rat out your solidiers. It's bad for morale & chemistry. Artest will be alright regardless. He a winner. It comes down to whether the Knicks want him to do his winning with them.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/194540-5861-036.html

madskillz7312
Nov 14, 2004, 12:03
OK, as of now Ron Artest has NO heart and I could care less. He plays for himself and could care less until playoffs. He has talent but no heart! All he wants is his money and his place in the books as a famous champ! He could care less about his team mates or the heart of this game. If he doesn't want to work to get his team to the playoffs why should he even be aloud to go? He just wants to sit on his lazy-ass and watch his team work! He just wants to get to the finals the easy way! NEWSFLASH there is no easy way! But because he's talented no one gives a damn as long as he fills seats and wins, that's why! People like that tick me off, I never wanna see him in a Knicks uniform. I know he plays injured but that doesn't mean he has heart, just stubborn, in his case at least. He thinks he can do watever the hell he wants because he's all that, its sickening. Now he's gonna act like he's working hard because the media made a big deal what a moron he's being, he's pure scum!

Although I will say people can change, I would accept him if he ever does manage to change his ways......

END IT HERE! RON ARTEST AN EXCELLENT PLAYER BUT A JERK! PERIOD!

dr.carpy
Nov 14, 2004, 16:30
Ron Artest never sat himself, his coaches did. He has heart, or he would not be the reigning NBA defensive player of the year. There's a ton of guys that don't play hard all the time. Artest is definitely not one of them. Artest is a victim of the media. Where is the Media when he does charity work? Nowhere. It doesn't matter if it's Artest, Spreewell or Rodman. These guys can't win! Why? Cause the Media needs villains. How else do they sell papers? madskillz7312, what have you read that makes Artest such a bad guy? Last year, Artest didn't quit in the playoffs(other teammates did, plus Detroit just killed them) so talk about reality! He showed up every night and did his job. You say that Artest doesn't care, yet you admit he plays through injuries, yet he has no heart. That the dumbest thing I've had the misfortune of reading! And get real, Indiana needs Artest. If you don't believe me, check the 34 point a$$ k!cking they took while he was forced to watch. Again not his call, Rick Carlisle decided that. Then now Carlisle, who's starting to get heat from the players that he let team business out. Once again when you reply...PLEASE STATE FACTS!!!

madskillz7312
Nov 14, 2004, 17:09
Ron Artest never sat himself, his coaches did. He has heart, or he would not be the reigning NBA defensive player of the year. There's a ton of guys that don't play hard all the time. Artest is definitely not one of them. Artest is a victim of the media. Where is the Media when he does charity work? Nowhere. It doesn't matter if it's Artest, Spreewell or Rodman. These guys can't win! Why? Cause the Media needs villains. How else do they sell papers? madskillz7312, what have you read that makes Artest such a bad guy? Last year, Artest didn't quit in the playoffs(other teammates did, plus Detroit just killed them) so talk about reality! He showed up every night and did his job. You say that Artest doesn't care, yet you admit he plays through injuries, yet he has no heart. That the dumbest thing I've had the misfortune of reading! And get real, Indiana needs Artest. If you don't believe me, check the 34 point a$$ k!cking they took while he was forced to watch. Again not his call, Rick Carlisle decided that. Then now Carlisle, who's starting to get heat from the players that he let team business out. Once again when you reply...PLEASE STATE FACTS!!!

I have everything against him, he has no heart! Someone has to say something! (as Stephen A. Smith put it)

Well number one he said "I don't see anything wrong with asking for time off" which he was reffering to his CD album, how is that the media's fualt? He's being an a$$. He admited his stupidy by saying that the reports he wants to work on his album rather than waste time during the regular season were true! WHAT AN A$$! Unless you can say the media dubed his words in the interview he's an a$$! I mean come on this is also a scheme to advertise his album! "It's not a rap alubm, it's an R&B" WTF IS WRONG WITH HIM!? HELLO, CHAMIONSHIP ON THE LINE! O wait he'd rather sit back and enjoy while his teams works thier a$$es off all season until the playoffs! O YEAH THAT SOUNDS LIKE HEART (SARCASIM) Just cause' he's talented I can't let him get away with **** like this! NOW THE MEDIA MADE A BIG DEAL OF IT HE'S GONNA PLAY NOW! COME ON! AND DON'T SAY HE DIDN'T WANT OFF FOR HIS ALBUM, HE SAID THIS **** HIMSELF! AND THATS A GOD DAMN FACT!

Also a player can play through injuries and just be a STUBBORN JACK-A$$rather than have any heart!

FACTS IN YOUR FACE!

EVERYONE THAT AGREES BACK ME UP HERE!

I will say this much though, (AGAIN) people CAN change, but as of now **** like him don't deserve to be in a Knick uniform!

(as you guys can see this topic angers me, so sry for the language)

WiL8000
Nov 14, 2004, 18:33
Wow good battle here, both good points, but Artest said himself that he isn't going anywhere. Right now the Knicks have bigger problems at center than a trade such as this. I see the Knicks looking to make a trade for Curry as a more realistic possibility. I'm not going to say if I think that's a good idea either, who knows. But the center position is New York's biggest weakness, and they have to do something at somepoint to fix it.

dasilva1079
Nov 15, 2004, 08:37
The Pacers are just trying to have a little more control over Artest, but he ain't going anywhere....The Pacers no it and he knows it. Pacers can't go anywhere without Artest, that dude might be a dick personality wise, which I don't really care...but when he is on the court he has mad heart and he is a monster. He goes out there to play off the hook defense and your a$$ better bring the defense to shot him down two or else he is scoring 30 on you. Anyways, Pacers were just trying to scare Artest a little by sitting him by they know they can't live without him.

madskillz7312
Nov 15, 2004, 19:14
I still think he doesn't have heart, how can you say a guy who says he would rather work on his album than help his team for the regular season have heart? I don't see it, no matter how apparent it SEEMS on the court......

Thats just plain and utter ignorance!

AGAIN, he is very talented and skilled, but that is all he is, a talented and skilled a$$!
I agree with everything else dasilva1079 said........

sry, I know this is a bit childish but.....

"dr.carpy", YOU GOT SERVED!

sry but i had too, he couldnt come back b/c he knows i am so right.....


-another thing, someone justify to me how "I need time off to work on my album" is heart!!!!!!

dr.carpy
Nov 16, 2004, 01:33
The Dr is in the house!! Back to again reiterate why Artest is the man with heart. The album, is completed, so "Truwarier" Ron has used the media to push units for him. Now, I'm sure most sane people would agree that one can't be the best or at the top without heart, initiative and desire. Artest has all these. Follow me on this:

1. Defensive Player of the Year: Anyone that can beat out Ben Wallace must have all the aforementioned qualities I've mentioned. Keep in min the former defensive player of the year winners besides Ben Wallace (Dikembe Mutombo, Gary Payton, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Dennis Rodman oh and some guy named Michael Jordan.

2. Playing hurt: He bulked up this year, played during the summer to improve his play, cause he wasn't getting paid, not for a contract year. He does this cause he obviously respects his teammates, organization and himself. While some folks like Eddy Curry were taking the time off to show up to camp @ 320Lbs., Artest shows up in shape ready to go. That seems dedicated to me....

3. Peja Stojakovic: Everyone knew the Kings were trying to trade Peja for Artest. Larry Bird (one of the NBA's 50 greatest players) told GM Donnie Walsh flat out "No". What was the reasoning.? Bird questioned Peja's "heart", not Artest. Peja is a Bird type player. For Bird to pick Artest over Peja says something to me.

Oh by the way:

If I don't respond right away it's not because I'm licking my wounds. It's because I have a job (I program SQL databases) and I'm getting married. Although my fiance is not completely sold on the Knicks (she likes LA & Toronto??? Go figure!?) She has agreed to stop over in New York and watch a Knicks game!!! So yes I still KNOW Artest has heart, and I still think I'm right. Everyone read and decide for yourselves. Wil8000 and Rady this would be an awesome poll question. To finish Artest has the same qualities as Charles Oakley. Did Oakley have heart? Of course. Did he sometimes say stupid, off the cuff craziness? Yup. So why is okay for Oak, and not Artest? Just a thought.

P.S. If Artest has no heart why does he dive after loose balls?

e_D
Nov 16, 2004, 02:56
I gotta say I agree with Carpy on this. He makes all valid points about Ronron.

I've always liked his abilities and he would be a valuabe addition wherever he is. (plus I used to live in his neighborhood, and saw him in the train.. dude's a really nice guy.) Isiah is trying to right the wrong of Layden for not drafting him in the first place. I would love to see him wearing our jersey but not at Kurt's expense.. But there may be no other way to bring him here.

rady
Nov 16, 2004, 11:01
hmm.. madszillz served the dr, now carpy served back
this means it's ON! :)

carpy, did a heard right or you program in SQL?? cause i could really need some help inhere :)

anyway, it's a great idea for the poll, and even though ron's chancess to arrive in NY are very small now, i'll put the poll next week

madskillz7312
Nov 16, 2004, 17:58
PLEASE, I don't need to say much, I didnt get served, at all! I already said answer to all his points, read back, exactly he never acually came back, see, scroll back and read, he jus said what he said the first time, I shut him down! :afro:

dr.carpy
Nov 16, 2004, 20:36
I don't recall the Oakley thing being in any previous posts. Plus, I read your posts and they ring the same as well. If you want to feel that you "served me", whatever. Facts are facts, and when people read our posts, more folks will come away saying Artest has heart. And that was all I was saying.

If anyone thinks Artest is the only athlete that would like time off during the regular season, you're crazy. If we took an anonymous survey, you'd get better than 95% saying they could use time off. Guys really get going in the playoffs, just cause theres more at stake. Artest, going back to what I said is honest. He said, what tons of guys think. How many of us take holidays during the work year? I do. Guess I have no heart.

madskillz7312
Nov 16, 2004, 20:57
OK, HE IS NOT OAKLEY, that is your first mistake. Secondly, how can you that? I could understand if it were fatigue, but it was for his GOD FOR SAKEN ALBUM! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND! GEEZE! HE'D RATHER NOT EARN HIS WAY INTO THE PLAYOFFS, BECAUSE HE IS AN A$$!

dacash
Nov 17, 2004, 07:00
the debate rages on . but lets all agreee on some things:talented hell yes,stupid hell yes. artest is all; of these.knicks could use him yes. knicks will get him no . bird and isiah will never come to grips. while i find this arguement fun lets move on to whatll make the knicks a better team.

madskillz7312
Nov 17, 2004, 16:32
the debate rages on . but lets all agreee on some things:talented hell yes,stupid hell yes. artest is all; of these.knicks could use him yes. knicks will get him no . bird and isiah will never come to grips. while i find this arguement fun lets move on to whatll make the knicks a better team.

You just said exactly what I've been saying, I completley agree, the Knicks could use him, but I never wanna see a moron like that unless he changes......