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Kiyaman
Feb 08, 2014, 20:11
Rondo .. also following the road to New York !!!!!



Despite the consistent claims from Celtics general manager Danny Ainge that Rondo isn’t available, the Knicks have a strong belief that he can be had if – in a nod to another show – the price is right. They can offer the likes of Amar’e Stoudemire (one season remaining after this one, at $23.4 million) while taking future money back (such as Gerald Wallace and/or Jeff Green) and helping Ainge clear the way for the summer of 2015 that is known to be a priority of his.


That summer is a major priority for the Knicks, too, but it appears the Rondo scenario is one of the few, if not the only, where they’d consider the impact of his addition great enough to justify taking on some money from that point on. The Knicks can include Raymond Felton (a much cheaper point guard option) or Iman Shumpert (rookie contract) and even discuss beloved rookie Tim Hardaway Jr.


Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/02/0 ... e7QHv1K.99






I could see a lineup of Rondo/Shump/and THJ running a SSOL for 7 straight minutes ..
I dont see JR/Melo/and Tyson in any uptempo transition past 2 minutes.
Hold on! ...is Rondo 75% healthy?????

orangeblobman
Feb 09, 2014, 05:34
YOU HAVE TO DO THIS TRADE IF IT'S POSSIBLE

rondo, while an injury risk, gives us the BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE at an EFFECTIVE POINT GUARD,

if you look at the odds, you take that, because we haven't had a point guard in like 20 years

CoolClyde
Feb 09, 2014, 10:30
i really don't see this happening. i believe this thread and the Russel Westbrook thread are both culled from the hopes and opinions of writers who have too much time on their hands, and are smoking too much kind in their pipe dreams.

kinein
Feb 09, 2014, 18:13
No one is trading for Amare.

Amare may not even have a career after his contract expires.

Knicks have Shump and Hardaway Jr. as tradeable assets. That is it.

NY17KNICKS
Feb 09, 2014, 19:10
If the Knicks were to trade for Rajon Rondo, the Boston Celtics would ABSOLUTELY want Amare Stoudemire.

The trade would include a swap of STAT for Gerald Wallace in a major cap saving move for Boston. The deal wont be done otherwise.

THJ-STAT-2018 for Rondo-Wallace is absolutely 100% possible.

The Thunder would be the 3rd team in this scenario and it'd actually really help us. The Thunder possess a 1st from Dallas that would go to Boston in return they'd get Tyson and CAP space. They are really strong on Tyson at the moment this is why it works. The new deal would be then

Boston: 2014 1st-2018 1st-THJ-STAT+CAP
OKC:Tyson + CAP
New York: Rondo-Wallace-Perkins.

Shumpert could very well be package with Tyson to OKC if they want more but he could be swung to Denver for Faried now that Nate the Great is hurt.

Rondo
JR
Melo
Faried
Perkins

Obviously I'm not the GM and knowing us, we wont do anything. But these are 100% possible moves.

Yes the NBA is Rigged
Feb 09, 2014, 22:01
If the Knicks were to trade for Rajon Rondo, the Boston Celtics would ABSOLUTELY want Amare Stoudemire.

The trade would include a swap of STAT for Gerald Wallace in a major cap saving move for Boston. The deal wont be done otherwise.

THJ-STAT-2018 for Rondo-Wallace is absolutely 100% possible.

The Thunder would be the 3rd team in this scenario and it'd actually really help us. The Thunder possess a 1st from Dallas that would go to Boston in return they'd get Tyson and CAP space. They are really strong on Tyson at the moment this is why it works. The new deal would be then

Boston: 2014 1st-2018 1st-THJ-STAT+CAP
OKC:Tyson + CAP
New York: Rondo-Wallace-Perkins.

Shumpert could very well be package with Tyson to OKC if they want more but he could be swung to Denver for Faried now that Nate the Great is hurt.

Rondo
JR
Melo
Faried
Perkins

Obviously I'm not the GM and knowing us, we wont do anything. But these are 100% possible moves.

crack kills

Kiyaman
Feb 09, 2014, 23:23
No one is trading for Amare.

Amare may not even have a career after his contract expires.

Knicks have Shump and Hardaway Jr. as tradeable assets. That is it.

Dont sleep on Amare .... giving Amare to Boston could also be handing the Atlantic Division title to Boston.
Boston's 18-34 record has a good chance of swingin Wiggins in the draft ..
plus rotating Amare in a frontline with Sullinger, Bass, and Green would have Amare playing 70+ games next season for another contract.
+
Dolan's not going to let Amare embarrassed him with a all-star season on the next team.

NY17KNICKS
Feb 10, 2014, 12:20
crack kills

You're a clown. This is absolutely possible. The only part that is near impossible is the Faried trade.

tiger0330
Feb 10, 2014, 14:53
I was reading an article on Yahoo about Jeff Green possibly going to the Hawks and the writer said the Knicks were "delusional" in thinking they could acquire Rondo.

You're dealing with Danny Ainge maybe the smartest GM in the NBA and you think that he would ever trade Rondo for Stat, he's going after draft picks to pick up young talent and for their trade value when he pulls the trigger on a marquee player.

Can you really see him picking up Stat as his franchise player.

NY17KNICKS
Feb 10, 2014, 15:22
I was reading an article on Yahoo about Jeff Green possibly going to the Hawks and the writer said the Knicks were "delusional" in thinking they could acquire Rondo.

You're dealing with Danny Ainge maybe the smartest GM in the NBA and you think that he would ever trade Rondo for Stat, he's going after draft picks to pick up young talent and for their trade value when he pulls the trigger on a marquee player.

Can you really see him picking up Stat as his franchise player.

HE'S NOT THE FRANCHISE PLAYER.

THJ would be the talent they get in return, a 1st round pick would be for their rebuild and STAT would be a swap for Gerald Wallace because STAT will be a great piece to have next season due to his contract. Wallace's contract is awful and the Celtics want to get rid of him. STAT believe it or not, is one of the reasons the deal could be done, he's a positive not a negative. Rondo is not untouchable, we could absolutely get him. Did you honestly EVER think the Celtics would trade Paul Pierce, anyone is movable.

Our biggest downfall is that James Dolan is our owner because the front office is the only thing keeping us from making this trade.

Yes the NBA is Rigged
Feb 10, 2014, 16:24
You're a clown. This is absolutely possible. The only part that is near impossible is the Faried trade.

If so that means Ainge is smoking crack so my first statement would still stand.

Kiyaman
Feb 11, 2014, 11:06
I was reading an article on Yahoo about Jeff Green possibly going to the Hawks and the writer said the Knicks were "delusional" in thinking they could acquire Rondo.

You're dealing with Danny Ainge maybe the smartest GM in the NBA and you think that he would ever trade Rondo for Stat, he's going after draft picks to pick up young talent and for their trade value when he pulls the trigger on a marquee player.
Can you really see him picking up Stat as his franchise player.


I had to stop reading after the above highlighted comment ....
Danny Ainge became the #1 dum-dum GM in the NBA when TimberWolves Fired Mchale ..
Ainge had nothing to do with building the Big-3 in Boston however, Ainge had a lot to do with the destruction of the Big-3 in Boston, rather than build a young cheap supporting cast around the aging Big-3.
When Pierce asked to be traded in 2007-8, upstair-brass took over the operation by calling in old debts in the 2008 offseason. Yes, Ainge receive all the credit. When Ainge didn't give assistant-coach Thib a extension contract in the 2009 offseason when HC Doc and the Big-3 kept praising Thib presence for their championship season.
I will put it like this "Doc & Thib" equal HC Pop.

If u could recall Boston was the top 2 contender team all season, until they made the trade for Jeff Green.
The Knicks would be insane to pick up Gerald Wallace $30M contract for 3 years.
Gerald Wallace manage to have his 3 previous teams put him on the trading-block, after a half of a season.

tiger0330
Feb 11, 2014, 11:38
Kiyaman you're insane.

He had nothing to do with getting the the big 3? Who exactly do you think was the GM then Red Auerbach?

And who drafted your hero Rajon Rondo with the 19th pick, picking up an All-Star with the 19th pick. I guess you also don't like him dismantling that aging roster to rebuild with all those 1st round draft picks he has over the next 5 years.

Getting Wallace was the price he had to pay but most would say it was a great move for the Celtics. Can't see you criticizing the Knicks front office the way you do and then calling Ainge the dumbest GM in the NBA.

Kiyaman
Feb 11, 2014, 11:42
HE'S NOT THE FRANCHISE PLAYER.

THJ would be the talent they get in return, a 1st round pick would be for their rebuild and STAT would be a swap for Gerald Wallace because STAT will be a great piece to have next season due to his contract. Wallace's contract is awful and the Celtics want to get rid of him. STAT believe it or not, is one of the reasons the deal could be done, he's a positive not a negative. Rondo is not untouchable, we could absolutely get him. Did you honestly EVER think the Celtics would trade Paul Pierce, anyone is movable.

Our biggest downfall is that James Dolan is our owner because the front office is the only thing keeping us from making this trade.


If a Stat to Boston trade goes down we would become 2nd to Boston in the Eastern Conference.
Was Stat the Franchise Player in Phoenix? HELL YEAH!
Was Karl Malone the franchise Player in Utah? HELL YEAH!
Having a high IQ pass-first PG Nash & Stocton hitting a slashing Stat or Malone for inside scoring, open up perimeter shooters to shoot or pass to Stat or Malone 10 feet from the basket.
Stat is still one of the dangerous bigmen in the game when he receive the ball 10 feet from the basket.
Once Melo arrive we been giving Stat the ball 20 to 25 feet away from the basket, we throw alley-oops to Tyson, never to Stat.

We dont want to see "Stat & Green" play above the rim B.Ball next season in Boston.
Dont forget Boston defensive bigmen "Bass/Sullinger/Olynyk" will be playing for a new contract next season.

Kiyaman
Feb 11, 2014, 13:08
Whats goin on with the 20-31 Knicks .....


The New York Knicks are not headed anywhere good -- the sooner the organization comes to terms with that reality, the better. The question then becomes, what to do with Carmelo Anthony, the 29-year-old scoring dynamo who is set to become a free agent this summer? Since his arrival at Madison Square Garden three years ago, Anthony has dazzled Knicks fans with memorable performances, most notably his Garden-record 62 points in January. But with the good has also come the bad: porous defense, errant shot selection and little postseason success.
The Knicks are now a wretched 20-31 in the top-heavy Eastern Conference. They are averaging 92.6 possessions per 48 minutes, second fewest in the league. They allow opponents to shoot 46 percent from the floor, which slots them 19th in the league. And head coach Mike Woodson is known as a defensive guru!


The time to trade 'Melo is now.

Is Melo the problem???


We keep putting all the blame for LOSSES on the PG .. will the Knicks also look into going after LinSanity???


Jeremy Lin's career took off during his tenure with the New York Knicks. After two years in Houston, the former Harvard hot shot could find himself playing for the Knickerbockers again as significant piece in the rumored Knicks-Rockets deal.

Houston has been rumored to be shopping Lin along with Omer Asik for quite sometime now. A few trades had been rumored to be completed but the reports never came to be true.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/02/03/nba-trade-deadline-5-teams-that-need-jeremy-lin/?FPYYbrsZqxRRprZp.99


I never understood Knicks GM Glen Grunwald the day after the court decision was made that Novak & Lin were Restricted-Free-Agents. Grunwald personally had a press conference set up just to say, "We will let Novak & Lin test the FA market". What team does that? Especially when ....
Jeremy Lin's Knicks jersey was selling-out world-wide, plus Lin's name was selling-out our opponents stadiums east n west.
What NBA team would give up a player that match Lebron James & Kobe world wide $$$ fan-base?
When Lin did not sign or respond to Houston Rockets FIRST offer-sheet in two weeks, wasn't that the time for Grunwald to have a meeting with Lin? The Rockets had to give Lin 3 times his worth in the final season of a 3 year contract for Lin to sign.

paris401
Feb 11, 2014, 15:24
Stat is still one of the dangerous bigmen in the game when he receive the ball 10 feet from the basket.
.

come now.. I like stat..alot... but bad knees have done him in.. he's playing good rite now... but... he's one sneeze away from disaster...

nuckles2k2
Feb 11, 2014, 20:55
Why is it so crazy for Ainge to want STAT in a trade?

If they're moving Wallace's contract at $10M and Rondo at $12M...that's $22 million...

Bring in STAT's $21 million, and you can amnesty $21-$23 million right off of the books...

This is the NBA..not NBA 2K. Boston has the picks from Brooklyn, and if they can get more young pieces, and damn near a third off the salary cap off of their books in one felt swoop...they're gonna at least consider it.

Too often, people are looking at the game from a "on-the-court" standpoint, and their opinions are based on half the info.

tiger0330
Feb 11, 2014, 21:30
Why is it so crazy for Ainge to want STAT in a trade?

If they're moving Wallace's contract at $10M and Rondo at $12M...that's $22 million...

Bring in STAT's $21 million, and you can amnesty $21-$23 million right off of the books...

This is the NBA..not NBA 2K. Boston has the picks from Brooklyn, and if they can get more young pieces, and damn near a third off the salary cap off of their books in one felt swoop...they're gonna at least consider it.

Too often, people are looking at the game from a "on-the-court" standpoint, and their opinions are based on half the info.
Stat's contract has been called the worst in the NBA, one of the reasons is if you can find a team that still has their amnesty they still have to pay him 30M if he's traded by the deadline, it's a lot of money. Nobody wants Stat, maybe he's traded next year as an expiring but more than likely he finishes out his contract with the Knicks.

Unless Ainge thinks Rondo is done why would he trade him to an arch rival like the Knicks. Trade your best player in the prime of his career to come back and burn you in a critical playoff game, that's why GM's prefer trading their stars to the another conference.

skisloper
Feb 11, 2014, 21:37
Why is it so crazy for Ainge to want STAT in a trade?

If they're moving Wallace's contract at $10M and Rondo at $12M...that's $22 million...

Bring in STAT's $21 million, and you can amnesty $21-$23 million right off of the books...

This is the NBA..not NBA 2K. Boston has the picks from Brooklyn, and if they can get more young pieces, and damn near a third off the salary cap off of their books in one felt swoop...they're gonna at least consider it.

Too often, people are looking at the game from a "on-the-court" standpoint, and their opinions are based on half the info.

Amnesty means it's off cap but u still pay. Boston at this point could amnesty Wallace and keep rondo. Am I missing something. Why does star need to be involved.

KingStarbury3
Feb 11, 2014, 22:50
I gotta give Ainge his props, hes done a good job. Yea his buddy Mchale mighta helped him out with the KG trade but he got rid of Perkins at the right time. People criticized him for not resigning Posey after 08 finals but Posey wanted alotta money and fell off quicker then Big Mac toppings.

Overall hes done a good job in the drafts getting players like Bradley, Sullinger...

He traded KG and Pierce at the perfect time, has stockpiled draftpicks...hes done everything I wish the Knicks woulda done at some point during the last decade and a half.

I dont believe he'd go for the Amare and Timmy package but I see nothing wrong with anyone thinking that, in this case NYKnicks17. Thats a respectable opinion on his part, He who has to accuse someone of smoking crack is probably not as confident in their opinions as they seem

smokes
Feb 12, 2014, 02:59
Why is it so crazy for Ainge to want STAT in a trade?

If they're moving Wallace's contract at $10M and Rondo at $12M...that's $22 million...

Bring in STAT's $21 million, and you can amnesty $21-$23 million right off of the books...

This is the NBA..not NBA 2K. Boston has the picks from Brooklyn, and if they can get more young pieces, and damn near a third off the salary cap off of their books in one felt swoop...they're gonna at least consider it.

Too often, people are looking at the game from a "on-the-court" standpoint, and their opinions are based on half the info.

Those are all great words and all, but you can't trade for someone and then amnesty them. The amnesty is only for players who are playing for the team they played for when the amnesty clause was brought into effect and are still on the same contract.

Boston cannot amnesty STAT nor can they amnesty Wallace as someone else suggested. Their two eligible players are Bradley and Rondo.

"Too often, people's opinions are based on half the info."

CoolClyde
Feb 12, 2014, 07:22
come now.. I like stat..alot... he's one sneeze away from disaster...

so sad, so true, quite funny monsieur.

tiger0330
Feb 12, 2014, 09:21
Those are all great words and all, but you can't trade for someone and then amnesty them. The amnesty is only for players who are playing for the team they played for when the amnesty clause was brought into effect and are still on the same contract.

Boston cannot amnesty STAT nor can they amnesty Wallace as someone else suggested. Their two eligible players are Bradley and Rondo.

"Too often, people's opinions are based on half the info."
Not sure that's true Smokes, we amnestied Billups after trading for him. Got to look up that amnesty rule to see why.

tiger0330
Feb 12, 2014, 09:38
Smokes is correct. It's the date of 7/1/2011 that's key. Most teams have already used their amnesty but Boston is one of the remaining and while Wallace can't be amnestied Rondo can.

"The basic notion of the amnesty provision of the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement is simple: Every team can waive one player and remove his contract value from the salary cap during a one-week window that coincides with the beginning of free agency, provided that player signed with the team before July 1, 2011. It’s a fully sanctioned mulligan in a league where mistakes are costly and rampant, and thus seen as a way out for cap-strapped teams that have few other alternatives."

skisloper
Feb 12, 2014, 11:08
Smokes is correct. It's the date of 7/1/2011 that's key. Most teams have already used their amnesty but Boston is one of the remaining and while Wallace can't be amnestied Rondo can.

"The basic notion of the amnesty provision of the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement is simple: Every team can waive one player and remove his contract value from the salary cap during a one-week window that coincides with the beginning of free agency, provided that player signed with the team before July 1, 2011. It’s a fully sanctioned mulligan in a league where mistakes are costly and rampant, and thus seen as a way out for cap-strapped teams that have few other alternatives."


Still hard to believe we picked up Billups options for 12 million only to amnesty him .

paris401
Feb 12, 2014, 11:34
Still hard to believe we picked up Billups options for 12 million only to amnesty him .

no wonder my cable rates keep rising...

bluechox2
Feb 12, 2014, 23:42
Why is it so crazy for Ainge to want STAT in a trade?

If they're moving Wallace's contract at $10M and Rondo at $12M...that's $22 million...

Bring in STAT's $21 million, and you can amnesty $21-$23 million right off of the books...

This is the NBA..not NBA 2K. Boston has the picks from Brooklyn, and if they can get more young pieces, and damn near a third off the salary cap off of their books in one felt swoop...they're gonna at least consider it.

Too often, people are looking at the game from a "on-the-court" standpoint, and their opinions are based on half the info.

teams can only amnesty players they have from before the new cba agreement, not for players they acquire after

CoolClyde
Feb 13, 2014, 11:10
I never understood Knicks GM Glen Grunwald the day after the court decision was made that Novak & Lin were Restricted-Free-Agents. Grunwald personally had a press conference set up just to say, "We will let Novak & Lin test the FA market". What team does that? Especially when ....
Jeremy Lin's Knicks jersey was selling-out world-wide, plus Lin's name was selling-out our opponents stadiums east n west.
What NBA team would give up a player that match Lebron James & Kobe world wide $$$ fan-base?
When Lin did not sign or respond to Houston Rockets FIRST offer-sheet in two weeks, wasn't that the time for Grunwald to have a meeting with Lin? The Rockets had to give Lin 3 times his worth in the final season of a 3 year contract for Lin to sign.

the loss of Linsanity in a nutshell

skisloper
Feb 13, 2014, 11:58
the loss of Linsanity in a nutshell


I guess when Woody's butt buddy JR said " if Lin signs a huge contract of course that will cause an issue in the locker room " was enough for the Knicks to let him go....after all why keep LIN when we have Felton.