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Kiyaman
Apr 21, 2014, 11:01
New team president Phil Jackson wasted little time making a widely anticipated coaching change, dropping the ax on Woodson Monday, just days after the Knicks’ disastrous season mercifully ended on Wednesday without a playoff berth for the first time since 2010.

Woodson, 56, finishes his two-plus seasons as the team’s head coach with a record of 109-79, but the disappointment of a 37-45 mark this year — for a team owner James Dolan believed was a championship contender — proved too much for him to overcome.
His entire coaching staff was also let go

CoolClyde
Apr 21, 2014, 12:34
good start to the off-season.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWwnyvo8p98XbCJoHJN0NldVVW_DV0D P3o90T91b4jpXQAGBu46g
later tater!

Broadway
Apr 21, 2014, 12:56
New team president Phil Jackson wasted little time making a widely anticipated coaching change, dropping the ax on Woodson Monday, just days after the Knicks’ disastrous season mercifully ended on Wednesday without a playoff berth for the first time since 2010.

Woodson, 56, finishes his two-plus seasons as the team’s head coach with a record of 109-79, but the disappointment of a 37-45 mark this year — for a team owner James Dolan believed was a championship contender — proved too much for him to overcome.
His entire coaching staff was also let go


Reverting back to the other thread


“To be honest with you, Mike Woodson and me have become, he’s been a guy that I can talk to, almost a father figure, a friend, a guy that I can bounce stuff off,” an emotional Anthony said on Thursday. “I’ve been a guy he’s talked to multiple times, about multiple things in different situations.

So when that time comes, if it’s ready for me to step up and take that next step and say, ‘OK, Mike Woodson needs to stay or go . . .’ I don’t think it would come down to that, but I would back him.


“If he needs my recommendation whether it’s here or anywhere else, I’ll back him. I have nothing bad to say about Mike Woodson. I support him. For me as a player, I had some of my best years under Mike Woodson. So I would never have anything bad to say about Mike Woodson.”


Well Phil didn't think it would come down to that at all....lol

Matter of fact it doesn't appear it was even an option to consult Melo or anyone else for the matter. Probably won't consult anyone on the coaching hire either. Not thrilled in bringing in Steve Kerr just judging him off of some of his GM moves, but I wouldn't mind if he was part of an overall decision making process working in conjunction with Phil as an exec(not a coach). Maybe assistant GM or player personnel director. Not sure how I feel about forcing the Triangle offense into this organization I mean it's not like it's a widely ran system league-wide and we've only seen it work when the best players in the league are running it. I do like the fact Phil is giving folks DAT WORK though, he's getting busy. Hopefully he blowtorches everything else roster-wise to a charred smelting crisp.

petescud
Apr 21, 2014, 13:17
I like that he got rid of all the coaches. Lets face it Herb was just there for a paycheck. I hope he blows up half our team too

tiger0330
Apr 21, 2014, 13:32
Mills should have done this mid-season, maybe the coaching change would have lit a fire under these guys earlier and the Knicks wouldn't have missed the playoffs.

Foregone conclusion for Woody but who does Jackson bring in? If Jeff Van Gundy dropped a note to Phil saying he was interested PJ should sign him up in a heartbeat. Kerr seems like a smart guy but he comes across as to nice to be a head coach.

gmf1369
Apr 21, 2014, 13:43
well goodbye Woodson, writing was on the wall < not a P.J. type of guy...

tiger0330
Apr 21, 2014, 13:58
Just reading the Newsday article about possible replacements.

Kerr
Fisher
Rambis
Clemons
Shaw
Van Gundy

You have got to be crazy not to think Van Gundy isn't the best of that bunch.

gmf1369
Apr 21, 2014, 14:51
honestly of those would love to have Van Gundy back but something tells me it will be between Kerr, & Fisher...

CoolClyde
Apr 21, 2014, 18:06
i'm good with Kerr for a variety of reasons:
-he's currently an analyst who has a very good knowledge of the game, and ALL the teams and players.
-he played for PJ for years, knows the triangle offense and the basic principles of O&D.
-he'll be a first time coach, and moldable towards the Phil Jackson style of play, as if he isn't already made in that mold and cut from the same cloth.
-he's a former 3-point specialist, someone who will bode well for THJR to help become a complete player.
-he's smart
-former champion with Jackson-Bulls (3X) AND Popovich-Spurs (2X)

bluechox2
Apr 21, 2014, 18:45
things would get interesting if kerr is coach and phil gets fisher to come in as an assistant...and when phil gets the team he wants, he just takes over coaching and turn kerr into another assistant

skisloper
Apr 21, 2014, 18:58
things would get interesting if kerr is coach and phil gets fisher to come in as an assistant...and when phil gets the team he wants, he just takes over coaching and turn kerr into another assistant


I think it would be more Hire Kerr and sign Fisher to a one year deal and then hire him as an assistant the following year,,,,,,,,

petescud
Apr 21, 2014, 19:54
I don't see it happening for a number of reasons, but the Triangle used say 75% of the time and Van Gundy's Defense would be sweet...I don't see JVG leaving the booth though. He loves being with his family too much to come back (told me that in Tarrytown a while ago)

tiger0330
Apr 21, 2014, 21:08
I don't see it happening for a number of reasons, but the Triangle used say 75% of the time and Van Gundy's Defense would be sweet...I don't see JVG leaving the booth though. He loves being with his family too much to come back (told me that in Tarrytown a while ago)
The money the Knicks will pay him can change his mind. His daughter has to be headed to college? Man up JVG the Knicks need you.

RunningJumper
Apr 21, 2014, 22:27
The money the Knicks will pay him can change his mind. His daughter has to be headed to college? Man up JVG the Knicks need you.
If he's managed his money well, I don't think his daughter's college payments are his worry. Maybe money will change his mind, but would be odd if the college bills will change it.

tiger0330
Apr 21, 2014, 23:43
If he's managed his money well, I don't think his daughter's college payments are his worry. Maybe money will change his mind, but would be odd if the college bills will change it.

I'm sure he can manage his kids college educations even on his ESPN salary, I meant him and his wife might have an empty nest and staying home for his kids won't be a factor in him not taking an NBA coaches job.

He's also never won an NBA championship, I wonder how much he wants that.

RunningJumper
Apr 22, 2014, 00:49
I'm sure he can manage his kids college educations even on his ESPN salary, I meant him and his wife might have an empty nest and staying home for his kids won't be a factor in him not taking an NBA coaches job.

He's also never won an NBA championship, I wonder how much he wants that.
And Phil Jackson is in full control now, might be way more enticing for him if he wants to win a championship. He might feel like he can just stick to coaching, how he wants to coach.

donchris
Apr 22, 2014, 16:43
Woody didn't exactly get a fair shake in NY, but business is result oriented and he didn't get the required results. Had the Knicks made the playoffs we would very likely be on the verge of beating the Pacers. (Never believed in the Pacers, George is a Scottie Pippen at best.)

Hopefully Knicks fans wont turn on the next coach two seasons from now. It is an embarrassment how often we change coaches.

CoolClyde
Apr 22, 2014, 19:39
^c'mon man, what is a fair shake? losing games via boneheaded moves, like not calling timeouts, not fouling when leading by 3 points, playing sh*tty point guard Failton all season long and NOT playing Beno (at all) who led the Knicks to 6 straight wins? letting JR Sh*t play and play and play until he finally got his shot together when season was ending? Not giving quality minutes to Tyler and Torre and Aldridge until season was over? overplaying Melo and letting him lose almost every single game in the iso when it came to last second shots? losing 30 something games when leading in the 4th quarter?

you've gotta hand the overall blame to Dolan, who's been responsible for all changes in the front office, whether they've been fired or just quit because of little Jimmy's ironclad rule. Woodson played the blame game on injuries all season long, when he was responsible for the team on the floor, the minutes they played, and the way they performed, not to mention the sh*t morale of the team on a whole.

If Dolan lets Phil Jackson actually do his job without interference, we can only hope that the total cleaning out of the coaching staff is a first step in the right direction. f*ck Woodson.

tiger0330
Apr 23, 2014, 10:56
One thing I hope is that PJ does not bring Herb Williams back. He's a nice enough guy but he represents the Knicks past, if PJ wants a new Knicks image don't bring back guys like Herb.

Kiyaman
Apr 23, 2014, 11:21
Just reading the Newsday article about possible replacements.

Kerr
Fisher
Rambis
Clemons
Shaw
Van Gundy

You have got to be crazy not to think Van Gundy isn't the best of that bunch.



Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.

Broadway
Apr 23, 2014, 12:23
Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.


Disagree and it seems like you're running things together here not distinguishing when Steve took over. I mean let's keep it real. Steve Kerr was brought into the Suns organization to essentially do what Phil intends to do for us. Yet Kerr failed and bailed as soon as he saw Phx couldn't win a chip with Nash and didn't want to be a part of rebuilding the Suns.

paris401
Apr 23, 2014, 12:26
Woody didn't exactly get a fair shake in NY, .

as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...

Broadway
Apr 23, 2014, 12:32
as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...

That payment comes with a No talking to Media Policy....They call that "Hush Money"

tiger0330
Apr 23, 2014, 12:33
Steve Kerr is the best of that bunch by a long mile ..
Steve Kerr learned the hard way as a GM with Rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire. And letting a puppet assistant coach Mike Dantoni get to much fame from Steve Kerr getting rid of the Phoenix Suns individual players Marbury & Penny slow balling poor defensive talent in 2003-4 season, to let their highest paid player Shawn Marion leadership run and control the Phoenix Suns roster (The Matrix got the SSOL system from Jason Kidd, and used that system with Steve Nash & Amare to have a few successful seasons.).
Mike Dantoni refusal to bring in assistant coach Thibideu in the 2007 offseason, had the owner of the Phoenix Suns trade Shawn Marion for Franchise Player Shaq on the February 2008 trade deadline, which put Kerr's GM job in jeopardy.

What we get in Steve Kerr is a GM/Coach who played the Triangle-system and won, plus defended against the Triangle-system and won.
Amare was drafted in by the Suns in 2002. Kerr became GM and President of the Suns in 2007 so what are you talking about. His stint as GM was less than successful getting to the first round once during his tenure as a GM. He said he didn't enjoy being a GM after 3 years and went back to broadcasting. what makes you think he doesn't pull that I didn't enjoy NY or coaching crap if he becomes the Knicks coach. I see media reports already that he's a west coast guy and he's wary about the Knicks management (Dolan). Give me JVG any day over a soft Steve Kerr.

Broadway
Apr 23, 2014, 15:15
Amare was drafted in by the Suns in 2002. Kerr became GM and President of the Suns in 2007 so what are you talking about. His stint as GM was less than successful getting to the first round once during his tenure as a GM. He said he didn't enjoy being a GM after 3 years and went back to broadcasting. what makes you think he doesn't pull that I didn't enjoy NY or coaching crap if he becomes the Knicks coach. I see media reports already that he's a west coast guy and he's wary about the Knicks management (Dolan). Give me JVG any day over a soft Steve Kerr.


Yeah you and I pretty much agree here.

I found it odd too with the personalities he had there when he took over he hired Terry Porter to coach them. Not that Porter is a bad coach but how could he not gauge what style of play would suit them best especially when he had an idea to bring in Shaq. He made some suspect moves during his time there and I feel being GM is close to being a coach. I mean that person is supposed to help put goods in the cupboards for the coach to cook up, therefore he should know what a coach wants and how he plans to execute it.

Kerr is alright but doesn't excite me, very much like the Odom signing doesn't.

tiger0330
Apr 23, 2014, 15:59
He came in with the idea that what the Suns needed to get to the next level was to get rid of that SSOL D'Antoni style of play and play defense which is why he brought in Terry Porter.

Kerr is the type of guy that thinks he's entitled wanting to take top level jobs like President and GM or head coach of the Knicks without any experience.

I'm surprised Jackson would consider hiring him despite the fact they're friends because PJ put in 5 hard years learning coaching in the CBA with the Albany Patroons. I would think that experience knocking around the minor leagues of bball would give a guy like PJ a distrust of people like Kerr that want to start out at the top.

Broadway
Apr 23, 2014, 16:33
He came in with the idea that what the Suns needed to get to the next level was to get rid of that SSOL D'Antoni style of play and play defense which is why he brought in Terry Porter.

Kerr is the type of guy that thinks he's entitled wanting to take top level jobs like President and GM or head coach of the Knicks without any experience.

I'm surprised Jackson would consider hiring him despite the fact they're friends because PJ put in 5 hard years learning coaching in the CBA with the Albany Patroons. I would think that experience knocking around the minor leagues of bball would give a guy like PJ a distrust of people like Kerr that want to start out at the top.

Very true and I didn't disagree with his philosophy(feeling that's what it would take to win a championship) on the matter but he should have done a better job executing, reshaping the team... to accomplish that. He failed doing so and bailed, in particular when the going got tough looking towards the transition yrs. He knew Sarver was going to cut back starting rebuild. His excuse, he needed to spend more time with his family yet went right back into broadcasting...

Kerr has some red flags


EDIT: Misheard.....Kerr wasn't ready to coach at that time(Seattle Group purchase of Kings) but apparently he must have left the door open because Phil is interested in peaking his interest again.

donchris
Apr 24, 2014, 16:28
as others have mentioned his coaching left something to be desired... as to not getting a fair shake, he is getting paid for next season, not sure how much $$$, but its gotta be near to $1m... not a fair shake... I don't think so...

I'm not going to defend Woodson. To say he made some questionable decisions under pressure is an understatement. Just think back to this even two years from now when you're calling for Kerr to be fired.

Knicks fans have a long tradition of disloyalty going back to Patrick Ewing. He's John the Baptist now but there was a time when fans called for him to be traded. Woodson was a decent coach for a **** team. Unless Phil's old ass goes down to the bench or brings in a better proven coach, don't expect much better results for next season.

tiger0330
Apr 27, 2014, 14:33
If he's managed his money well, I don't think his daughter's college payments are his worry. Maybe money will change his mind, but would be odd if the college bills will change it.
Saw this in the NY Post.

Van Gundy is said to want to coach again now that his daughter is heading to college.

RunningJumper
Apr 27, 2014, 15:27
Saw this in the NY Post.

Van Gundy is said to want to coach again now that his daughter is heading to college.
Interesting. That's a big option if he wants to join the Knicks.

Broadway
Apr 27, 2014, 22:46
Very true and I didn't disagree with his philosophy(feeling that's what it would take to win a championship) on the matter but he should have done a better job executing, reshaping the team... to accomplish that. He failed doing so and bailed, in particular when the going got tough looking towards the transition yrs. He knew Sarver was going to cut back starting rebuild. His excuse, he needed to spend more time with his family yet went right back into broadcasting...

Kerr has some red flags


EDIT: Misheard.....Kerr wasn't ready to coach at that time(Seattle Group purchase of Kings) but apparently he must have left the door open because Phil is interested in peaking his interest again.




Steve Kerr met with Phil Jackson on Friday and officially discussed the New York Knicks' head coaching vacancy.


“We talked about the coaching position and we’ll keep talking,” Kerr said on Sunday. “I’ve made it pretty clear the past couple of years that I’d like to get into coaching, and now it’s sort of out there. It’s like anything else, you have to explore it and that’s what we’re doing."


Kerr is in New York to call the Brooklyn Nets-Toronto Raptors game Sunday and added the two sides will maintain discussions.


Kerr and Jackson also spoke over the phone on Saturday.


“It’s the only reason I’m talking to them, I wouldn’t have known anybody else in the Knicks’ organization,” Kerr said. “The fact that Phil took this job was the connection. Of course, he was my coach and I have a ton of respect for him. And I’m honored that he’s talking to me about the job. We covered a lot of ground and there’s a lot to discuss with a job like this on both ends.


“It’s the Knicks and it’s Phil Jackson, my coach. So I’d be crazy not to look into it. We’ll further the conversation on both sides. But meanwhile I’m really busy with my own (broadcasting) job."



So let's do the math Steve.....You left the Suns in 2010 because you said you wanted to spend more time with your family although Sarver asked you to take a paycut and you knew the Suns/Nash championship window closed and rebuilding was on the Horizon.

But you stated above after talking with Phil you've wanted to coach for the past couple of yrs. Well from 2013-2014 - 2yrs comes to 2011-2012. So you only wanted to spend time with your family for 1yr?

lol @ Kerr

I won't be disappointed at all if he doesn't get hired and will be skeptical as heck if he does.

tiger0330
Apr 28, 2014, 07:14
I get the feeling Kerr won't take the Knicks job for a lot of reasons. Family, having to relocate to the east coast, probably the biggest fish bowl you could be in for a rebuilding Knicks team, no doubt one of the toughest head coaching jobs in the league.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kerr tells PJ "After careful consideration I have decided not to pursue the Knicks head coaching position."

Now who would be PJ's next choice?

Broadway
Apr 28, 2014, 11:42
I get the feeling Kerr won't take the Knicks job for a lot of reasons. Family, having to relocate to the east coast, probably the biggest fish bowl you could be in for a rebuilding Knicks team, no doubt one of the toughest head coaching jobs in the league.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kerr tells PJ "After careful consideration I have decided not to pursue the Knicks head coaching position."

Now who would be PJ's next choice?

He'll probably consider Derek Fisher

tiger0330
May 01, 2014, 11:45
He'll probably consider Derek Fisher
Woj wrote an article saying the Lakers should consider him. I wonder how D'Antoni resigning will affect the Kerr hire, supposedly Kerr was waiting to see what coaching vacancies opened up before giving the Knicks an answer. The Laker job would be perfect for him since he lives in San Diego.